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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 12:36:43 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 2:05:39 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 2:18:54 AM   
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Mostly directed to Allied Players.

What are some good names for Allied Carriers ? Suggestions ?

i.e. Replacing Lexington II Yorktown II Hornet II assuming you choose to do so ?

I have used American Revolutionary War Battles as a previous theme

(i) Ticonderoga
(ii) Monmouth
(iii) Waxhaws

Once past Lexington / Saratoga / Cowpens / Bunker Hill - all the good names are kinda gone.

"Germantown" "Harlem Heights" "Quebec" "Moore's Creek Bridge" don't appeal to me.

Was there an actual nomenclature adopted for Enterprise / Hornet / Wasp that I have failed to read about (or forgotten ) ? I do know Enterprise is a storied ship name uncertain of the others.

I recall one thread / AAR where the Allied Commander renamed all incoming Carriers Soryu or some such thing - a little маскировка

But I was trying to come up with easier names based on a USN tradition.






Princeton (actual CVL), Trenton, Monmouth, Valley Forge, Brandywine; I'd have to do some research to come up with more.

Reprisal , Fly, Dash, Argus, Retaliation. Alfred , Providence, Alliance, and America are all Rev war American Navy names. Randoplh was named after a rev war ship As was Ben Franklin. , Intrepid was a Barbary war ship , as was Enterprise. Kearsage was a Civil Warship.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:34:34 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:38:10 AM   
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From left to right: CV-18 Valley Forge, CV-10 Enterprise-A, CV-12 Java Sea, and CV-16 Concord




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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:56:13 AM   
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CV-16 Concord


There was a CL Concord.

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USS Concord (CL-10) was an Omaha-class light cruiser, originally classified as a scout cruiser, of the United States Navy. She was the fourth Navy ship named for the town of Concord, Massachusetts, the site of the first battle of the American Revolution. She spent the first nine years of her career in the Atlantic as part of the Scouting Force. Concord transferred to the Pacific in 1932, and spent the rest of her career, except for the winter of 1938–1939, stationed there. Her home port moved to Pearl Harbor in April 1940, but escaped the attack on Pearl Harbor because she was in San Diego for an overhaul.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Concord_(CL-10)

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:59:31 AM   
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There was a CL Concord.




I know - I sent it to Alaska.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 12:51:24 PM   
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CVs

Lots of great suggestions.

CA / CL

I too simply use lesser known cities I have personally traveled too in the USA

Bismark, Minot, Fargo (North Dakota) Pierre (South Dakota) Eau Claire (Wisc) Helena, Butte, Billings (Montana), Cheyanne (Wyoming) etc

I find naming ships after land locked cities somewhat amusing

DD

I try whenever possible to rename them after important Beer industry founders.

Adolph Coors (Coors)
Adolphous Busche (Bud)
August Krug ( Schiltz Beer)
Jacob Best (Pabst Blue Ribbon)
John Kopp / Andrew Hemich ( Rainier Beer)
and of course ... Samuel Adams

British Ships

This list below reminds me of an ancient Bugs Bunny meets Wiley Coyote Cartoon.

<< Knock Knock>> Are you IN - genious, IN - capable, IN describable

Perhaps the best name omitted (on purpose) : Impotent ?

Incompetent
Incontinent
Incredulous
Inconsolable
Impertinent
Impetuous



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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 1:20:39 PM   
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Never understood the 'Ranger is too slow for the Pacific' logic. She and Wasp had the same speed and they were limited to the speed of the fast BBs in any case. End of 42 the USN could use every CV available. Anyone have better insight on this? Less belt armor than Wasp, but at the end of the day belt armor ended up not really mattering. anti-torp protection did, as the Wasp learned. And deck armor as well. Curious. Sort of like why Hellcats were generally not used on CVEs. Avengers were much bigger and heavier yet they operated from the CVEs.


Circa November '42 Ranger was supporting the Torch landings in North Africa.

Early in the war she was busy being a training carrier; USS Wolverine didn't enter service until August '42 and USS Sable until May '43. IJN pilots in the game might magically become carrier qualified, but USN pilots needed some tailhook time. :-)

Then, as noted, she helped cover the Torch landings. At several points she also ferried aircraft to various points in the Med.

Basically Atlantic fleet needed a good-sized deck every so often, and she was the one most able to be spared from the Pacific.

As noted, she did wind up in the Pacific... once the Axis navies in the Atlantic had been more or less neutralized and the RN carrier force was more robust.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 1:24:42 PM   
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Has anyone named a ship for his cat?


In the game taken over by obvert I had a DD named for a former cat friend: USS Thomas O'Malley.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 1:32:58 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 1:54:06 PM   
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Never understood the 'Ranger is too slow for the Pacific' logic. She and Wasp had the same speed and they were limited to the speed of the fast BBs in any case. End of 42 the USN could use every CV available. Anyone have better insight on this? Less belt armor than Wasp, but at the end of the day belt armor ended up not really mattering. anti-torp protection did, as the Wasp learned. And deck armor as well. Curious. Sort of like why Hellcats were generally not used on CVEs. Avengers were much bigger and heavier yet they operated from the CVEs.


It seems that few have heard of 'Operation Leader' where the USS Ranger (CV-4) conducted air strikes against shipping along the Norwegian coast.

http://www.airgroup4.com/operation-leader.htm

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 2:58:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spence

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Never understood the 'Ranger is too slow for the Pacific' logic. She and Wasp had the same speed and they were limited to the speed of the fast BBs in any case. End of 42 the USN could use every CV available. Anyone have better insight on this? Less belt armor than Wasp, but at the end of the day belt armor ended up not really mattering. anti-torp protection did, as the Wasp learned. And deck armor as well. Curious. Sort of like why Hellcats were generally not used on CVEs. Avengers were much bigger and heavier yet they operated from the CVEs.


It seems that few have heard of 'Operation Leader' where the USS Ranger (CV-4) conducted air strikes against shipping along the Norwegian coast.

http://www.airgroup4.com/operation-leader.htm


Ranger started the war on the East Coast and stayed in the Atlantic for most of it. As urgent as the need for carriers was in the Pacific, the Atlantic needed carriers too, to deal with the U-boats raiding shipping on the East Coast. That situation did not change until enough CVEs were available. Ranger was almost 15,000 tons, about twice as big as the smallest CVEs and 1.5 times as big as the larger ones - so she likely carried more aircraft. The report on the raid on Norway mentions both fighters and bombers from the US carrier.

After participating in the attack on Casablanca in late 1942, Ranger spent December 42 - February 43 in refit. This suggests she needed major improvements before she could enter service in the Pacific - likely AA and air defence radars/directors/computers. I think that is one of the reasons she was not used in the Pacific in 1942. I suspect steaming range was another issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ranger_(CV-4)

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:11:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are quite a few historical named/cancelled Essex, Baltimore & Cleveland class ships that were ordered (and some completed post war). Most of the carriers have been mentioned above.

Also some Tacoma PFs received smaller city names (Sacramento, Annapolis etc) that might have been used on CLs or CLAAs. And there are a few US state capitals that missed out - including Hartford, Pierre ... and Bismarck.

You might also rename some of the -II DDs for any KIA Admirals you have, other than ones that are already in there (Kidd, Callaghan, Norman Scott).

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 3:42:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ranger's operational capability was incompatible with what was required in fleet carrier actions.

Though 70+ aircraft could in theory be spotted, on 14575 tons displacement (overgrown from her treaty dictated designed 13800t) things were cramped. That meant the pace of flight operations and availability rate was slower/lower than the larger carriers.

In 1939 her captain reported that in rough seas she pitched too much to conduct flying operations (i.e. sea states which did not stop flight ops on the larger carriers, or the Wasp).

The USN learned from the mistakes made with Ranger when they designed the Yorktown, and later the Wasp to use their remaining treaty tonnage.

Also, with only 54000 SHP, 25 knots was about her best speed at full load. Wasp was built with 70000 SHP.

See discussion here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=994449

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 5:44:20 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 6:32:28 PM   
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Yes, that's it exactly.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 6:35:08 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 7:47:34 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 7:54:36 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 10:47:18 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 10:49:16 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 11:27:09 PM   
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Bismarck.


Doubtful the U.S. would have used this name during WWII.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/8/2019 11:54:08 PM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 12:14:13 AM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.

Doesn't the Geneva Convention prohibit use of biological named ships?

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 12:45:27 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 1:56:49 AM   
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In my mod all the RN light fleets turn up in 45/6/7, including Hermes II. I also put the Audacious class in - Eagle II, Ark Royal II (which is actually about Ark Royal VII) and the third one arrives as Pegasus II. Pegasus was one of the original names used for aircraft carrying ships in the RN. A projected Colossus class was assigned the name, but when the balance of that class was re-ordered as Majestic class, it slipped out of use.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 1:59:16 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 2:46:33 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 2:48:03 AM   
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Good one, I thought of that name when i saw the Incontinent.
A few others could form a Monty Python class of ships.

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