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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/30/2019 9:47:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe your opponent has a less clear path of retreat for his CV's. Not sure if would hold up in port or run. Good hunting

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/30/2019 9:52:09 PM   
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Just think if he would have left an airbase in kamikaze activation territory in Allied hands until 2 January, 1944. Think of those Judys being kamikazes . . .


Does Pakhoi count? It was in Chinese hands....

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/30/2019 11:04:03 PM   
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Just think if he would have left an airbase in kamikaze activation territory in Allied hands until 2 January, 1944. Think of those Judys being kamikazes . . .


Does Pakhoi count? It was in Chinese hands....


No Chinese base counts.






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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/30/2019 11:26:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The coast of Indochina triggers but not the interior? And part of northern Luzon doesn't trigger? Odd.

Where'd you find that map? Is a full-map version available?

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/30/2019 11:53:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is not a full map. Someone made it, posted it on a thread somewhere, I copied it, then I posted it here. But it gives an idea for the IJ player about where to leave a level 1 airfield as in Taytay on Palawan in order to get kamikazes as soon as possible. Think of a KB raid with kamikazes getting into your supply lines where there is no CAP!

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:05:17 AM   
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This lists the three cities as Saigon, Takao, and Tokyo for kamikaze activation. However, the manual states 15 hexes instead of 21. I believe that this is the change from WITP to WITP-AE. It also states that the path must be traceable by sea so unless there is a canal built. Also, it does NOT include Chinese bases.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:19:13 AM   
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Bad day to be an Avenger pilot, though on average still better than it was to be one at Midway. :-(


Worse day to be a Judy or Grace pilot, and I’m tipping the allied pilot training program can replace those sorts of losses quicker than the IJN can.


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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:21:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		To come up with a plan for Day 2, I first mulled over what Dave can do and what he might do. He has damaged carriers, but his carriers apparently only used half their aircraft. He has a big airfield. He has lots of combat ships. Perhaps 50/50 he commits strongly vs. DS, either combat TFs alone or in combo with carriers. On the chance that his damaged vessels retire, subs will move forward, taking station between Koepang and Soerabaja (they've been there before, and Dave installed a lot of air and sea ASW, so this isn't a long-term mission).

Allied strike aircraft are a mess and many carriers have no torpedoes left. It thus appears that, by default, DS's mission must be defensive, temporarily. Accordingly, it will retire to escort damaged vessels to Darwin and to link up with the Broome-area CVE TF. Many remnant strike squadrons were moved to airfields. Many LBA naval squadrons were moved to the carriers. And all DS fighters set for CAP, none for escort. If DS and Mini CVE DS unite tomorrow, they'll have about 900 aircraft, some 300 less than DS had when this day started.

Three or four combat TFs to detach from the Herd, steam to Roti to (try to) intercept outbound enemy TFs, and then to retire to Darwin.


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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:10:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I find interesting and that is that the Kaga has fires, but no messages of smoke screening the Kaga. I think , and somebody can chime in please, it takes 20% or better to produce the smoke screening message? What fires level prevents landing aircraft? I ask because I would anticipate Kaga aircraft to have landed on the land airbase with any significant fires on board.

From a strategic standpoint that major damage will likely take Yokohama to fix. The Kaga is built on a cruiser hull, but she has to negotiate running the sub gauntlet all the way to Japan.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:20:21 AM   
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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:35:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think fires count toward flight ops threshold; only SYS, FLT and ENG, and if those three accumulate above 50, no flights.

The turn is away to Dave, basically what I spelled out above. I couldn't make sense of any other possibilities. Four good combat TFs are sortying to Roti, and one of them a hex further, to try to blunt any sorties by enemy combat vessels.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:35:55 AM   
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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:37:19 AM   
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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 2:09:45 AM   
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One thing I find interesting and that is that the Kaga has fires, but no messages of smoke screening the Kaga. I think , and somebody can chime in please, it takes 20% or better to produce the smoke screening message? What fires level prevents landing aircraft? I ask because I would anticipate Kaga aircraft to have landed on the land airbase with any significant fires on board.

From a strategic standpoint that major damage will likely take Yokohama to fix. The Kaga is built on a cruiser hull, but she has to negotiate running the sub gauntlet all the way to Japan.

That may not be so if he expanded the SY at Saigon or Manila or is willing to use Singapore which starts with a level 50 SY. Kaga should be similar to Lexington, around 36-40K tons.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 2:42:06 AM   
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One thing I find interesting and that is that the Kaga has fires, but no messages of smoke screening the Kaga. I think , and somebody can chime in please, it takes 20% or better to produce the smoke screening message? What fires level prevents landing aircraft? I ask because I would anticipate Kaga aircraft to have landed on the land airbase with any significant fires on board.

From a strategic standpoint that major damage will likely take Yokohama to fix. The Kaga is built on a cruiser hull, but she has to negotiate running the sub gauntlet all the way to Japan.

That may not be so if he expanded the SY at Saigon or Manila or is willing to use Singapore which starts with a level 50 SY. Kaga should be similar to Lexington, around 36-40K tons.


I forgot about Singers .... right ! Still a small trip through the Java Sea .. ;)

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 3:06:15 AM   
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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 3:42:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boy, I just gotta say I disagree.

The CVEs played an immense role in this clash, standing alone as major strikes came in from Koepang. Every CVE was needed for CAP.

And now that the battle is over and I need more aircraft, there all there, at DArwin and Daly Waters and Exmouth and Merauke and Taberfane. Refilling with fresh aircraft was a snap.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:48:54 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: Important questions as a new day begins:

1. Is Dave attacking or withdrawing?
2. What will happen to the Allied combat TFs ordered to Roti to disrupt attacking enemy TFs?
3. Will the CVE TFs & The Herd successfully break off and begin the retirement to Darwin?
4. Will the two fleet CV TFs rejoin DS & The Herd?
5. Will the CVE TF inbound from near Broome rendezvous with the DS CVE TFs?

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:51:46 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: DD Abner Reed is the sole survivor of the three Fletchers that stuck their noses into Koepang yesterday. She's out of ammo but reports this sizeable IJN combat TF outbound from Koepang. Here we go.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:55:35 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: On the right flank, an IJN sub destroys the Wickes class destroyer that just completed its mission of escorting an AVD to Saumlaki.






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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 12:58:42 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: The Japanese combat TF exiting Koepang takes a left turn, towards the Allied carriers, and run into one of the USN combat TFs inbound to Roti, seeking meeting engagements, so as to protect the carriers.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:00:45 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: After the USN DDs break away, a stronger CL/DD TF finds the Japanese TF, which is low on ammo now.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:03:40 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: A larger USN TF, flagged by CA Boston, is inbound, but an IJN sub picks off a Fletcher (she's lost).




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:10:57 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: Boston TF finds the vulnerable out-of-ammo enemy TF...and doesn't engage. The Japanese, no doubt, sought to evade due to lack of ammo. Perhaps the Allied commander has low aggression ratings? Nope. It's Ching Lee.

This IJN TF won't be able to molest the carriers, but several USN TFs are low on ammo now, too. How much fighting lies ahead?




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:15:54 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: IJN subs are taking station between DS and Darwin.

There are lots of Allied ASW TFs, some operating independently and some attached to DS & The Herd. Many of them have engaged in combat over the past week or ten days and are cycling in and out of Darwin to replenish.

So far in the turn, IJN subs have been active, especially just to the south of Timor. There have been many missed shots in addition to the two hits on DDs. Allied ASW has scored a few hits but no major victories.

To the north of Timor, USN subs have engaged a bunch of IJN DDs without success. There is definitely enemy shipping moving north of Timor.

Which way, then, is Dave heading?




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:18:14 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: Damaged and low on ammo, CL Oyoda detaches from the big Japanese combat TF. She's vulnerable, but these Fletchers can't pick her off.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:20:03 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: A fresh USN TF applies the coo-dee-grah.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:26:13 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: A third IJN sub hit on a USN combat ship so far this turn. Japanese subs 3, Allied subs 0.




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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:29:21 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: Hey, what are these guys doing over here? Is Dave working on a pincer movement towards Darwin?

Still IJN subs 3, Allies subs 0.





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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 8/31/2019 1:35:33 PM   
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Battle of Timor Sea: Dive bombers from Darwin score a couple of hits. I seriously doubt Dave will press forward any closer to the big, new Allied base.

Earlier in the turn, DS strike aircraft, in tired dribs and drabs, sortied against Japanese combat TFs at and near Koepang. Enemy CAP chewed them up. There weren't a lot of aircraft involved.






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