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RE: Siberians - 1/1/2019 8:40:17 PM

Dorky8

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Most DE's just trip up new players, I would bet 90% of DE's are always answered the same by experienced players.

Unfortunately there isn't an easily accessible source with ALL the information on game rules.

It makes it very difficult for a newer player to get up to speed.

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RE: Siberians - 10/14/2019 8:07:11 PM

FriendlyKomissar

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Interesting topic this, despite the actual trigger points for when the Siberians actually arrive there is one that does bothers me

They should be deployed on the railway line, as some of them deploy beside the railway so you cannot operate them out - and if you want to reinforce them you loses a further turn in doing so.

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RE: Siberians - 10/15/2019 4:45:14 PM

BillRunacre

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Hi

If you (or anyone else reading this) has a screenshot handy this will help me to work out if we can improve their arrival locations.

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RE: Siberians - 10/15/2019 5:06:12 PM

FriendlyKomissar

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Hi Bill,

I was going to post a screenshot but I haven't had any in the recent game.

Just as they deploy around the city in a circle, you can have them deploy on the actual railway so they will look more like an "x" shape spreading out, that way they are ready do be deployed straight away.

I will get a screenshot to you ASAP though but i think you get the idea

(Edit, thinking of the word edit I just used the editor and a crude screenshot to give you the idea of what i mean!)

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RE: Siberians - 10/16/2019 4:11:20 PM

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Thanks for this, we can probably improve this by spreading their deployment over more resources, it might not lead to all of them being on a railway but at least more of them should be.

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RE: Siberians - 10/19/2019 3:32:47 PM

The Land

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I'd wondered whether the location of the Siberians was deliberate to slow down their deployment!

The triggers could probably use some work. I am always surprised about how much progress the Germans can make without triggering them - it struck me as odd that I managed to get within 2 hexes of Leningrad (maybe actually in it) before they showed up...

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RE: Siberians - 6/20/2020 9:12:35 PM

forestrouse

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Every single PBEM game I have had as Allies, the Siberians do not arrive until April 27th, 1942, and arrive at the end of my turn, and so are not available to actually be moved until late May. By the time you operate them, it is June.

Humm. I partially see the point. The Siberians were fully deployed December 1941 but also the Germans were within 15 km of Moscow too and had taken Rostov (only to be forced to retreat). I think it is a debatable point whether or not the Siberians must be released or not. It is a perfectly reasonable position that the Siberian deployment is a variable as opposed to a certain event. It is equally reasonable to consider that historically they were released starting around October 1941 or so (I read a history where the first Siberian units started showing up in the September-October 1941 time frame). The wiki article quoted in this thread certainly reflects that Soviet uncertainty of what Japan would do in the far east. Sorge's intelligence strongly pointed to Japan not attacking the Soviet Union because they needed to change the strategic calculus with regard to the oil embargo and its effects which led to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The point being that the Soviet's could not be absolutely certain that Japan would not attack Manchuria and that transferring the Siberian troops entailed a risk.

If I were to pick a nit, it would be that the Shock troops don't appear to be very 'shocking'. My reading of the accounts of the war were that they had great effect in the Winter 1941 but maybe their role was overstated in the literature and that they were not particularly capable.

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