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RE: Postmortem - 12/9/2019 3:31:24 PM

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I have not yet received the next turn, but John did mention he'd get back to trying to fix his game (tech problems) AFTER the Chiefs beat the Pats yesterday. Well, they did beat the Pats (thanks to bad officiating once again, but that's par for the course in the NFL, plus Brady and the offense this year are truly mediocre).

Like those back-to-back phantom 'tripping' penalties in the Cowboys / Pats game a couple weeks ago? Those stalled out two critical drives in an otherwise close game and contributed manifestly to the Cowboys' loss. Win by the bad officiating: Die by the bad officiating.

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RE: Postmortem - 12/9/2019 3:43:47 PM

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I probably could have intercepted (and initially planned to do so), but advice here dissuaded me.

I haven't followed your AAR until recently, Anachro. Just so there's no future misunderstanding or dissuasion for the future from my advice, I offer you this immiscible and clear-cut standing order:

When your Japanese opponent splits his CV forces into penny-packet strikes, you must intercept and destroy them if you have the opportunity to do so.

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August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 5:47:37 PM

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August 28th, 1943

The next turn is here and there are some a bit annoying things to report. First, I get off a couple of bombardments against Kwajalein and while we destroy a large number of enemy planes on the ground, the combat report shows the CVL Aso is still alive, if heavily damaged. Moreover, our SCTFs, despite having Pearl set to home base go south after their bombardments instead of going east and following my CVs. However, in addition to sinking a tanker and some subchasers early in the night, we do hear sinking sounds, so some of the ships from yesterday's engagement have sunk.

None of my subs operating near Truk have DL, nor do my naval search planes at Wake Island spot enemy task forces out of Truk, so we will potentially conduct a range 10 port strike against Kwajalein with our carriers using drop tanks (is this possible?) as they head east towards Pearl.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:02:00 PM

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John sent the email below with the turn.

For the record, I never asked for a long break, but rather one or two weeks. I also told him if he was not happy with our pace, he could find another opponent, otherwise I'd be very happy to continue to play and try to sink his carriers. I think this was pretty reasonable, he agreed to continue, and I thought he had the understanding that there'd be a short break followed by a bit slower pace at times. It just feels to me like John is being a bit disingenuous here because the email exchanges we had were pretty clear on the match continuing if he wanted and, once again, I don't feel like he really wants to continue the match. He seems to be very focused on Floozy Dan - nice moniker by the way

("starting a new match that would be massively followed on the Forum led me to drop the AAR").

And, again, he's doubling down on the fact that he would never have made the decisions he did make regarding his recent Midway moment if it wasn't for our earlier break initiated by me.

Grasping for straws there.

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Sorry that took so long. Got it fixed. Cannot believe that I wasn�t smart enough to think of simply logging in the Matrix and retrieving all my download info from there. STUPID!

Want to explain the last week of game-time turns.

When you wanted to take that break earlier, I was pretty sure our match was finished. Totally understandable with new job and life taking over. I have had to quit matches before when life took over! At any rate, I was convinced that you weren�t coming back.

That change of mind really opened a few doors that I hadn�t realized were shut. Had some new Mod ideas that really excited me and got that rolling. Thinking I had no game, I called Dan down in Georgia and opened that thought of another re-match with him. When he accepted, I was EXCITED. Dan and I have played each other for nearly�perhaps over�20 years dating back to Uncommon Valor. We�ve had two WitP matches epically reach 1945 and they are the stuff of fond memory. We will start a new match once one of his current pair of games is done. CANNOT wait! As an added benefit, playing will allow Michael and I to see what bringing in Brian�s work (Big B) does. I am hoping for a much more realistic China, tougher 4EB defense, added bases, and check out our latest Mod changes. Should be great!

Realizing I now had to get the Mod work DONE and that I would be starting a new match that would be massively followed on the Forum led me to drop the AAR. Hadn�t really done anything to it for a couple of game turns weeks so it was no big deal. Logical move to save time for getting other stuff finished.

Surprisingly into the middle of this, you wanted to get going again. I thought a few turns, you would be seriously busy, and decide to drop the match. Chickenboy commented in my AAR about RL and the chances of seeing the match continue.

Thinking the game was over or soon would be led me to not care as much with what I was doing. My CARDIV1 and CARDIV2 were at Horn sitting and waiting for a chance to pounce on one of your TFs when I decided to jump it into the Coral Sea just for the heck of it and see if you would come out and try to catch me. As you know many times I have come to Horn, sat for a while, and then retired. I had the option of joining up with my CVs at Truk and could have gone back around New Guinea turned east and reached Truk without any issues. If we were still before your mandated break from action that is exactly what I would have done instead I took the leap into the CS just for the hell of it. The rest is history. Looked back on the turn (I have nearly two weeks of turns saved) today and just shake my head.

Want to apologize, I really underestimated your desire to continue play and that has led to this.

Thought you deserved this note so you understood. Please share it in your AAR. After our break, I never expected you to re-start that either!

On the BRIGHT side, the install is fixed. Here you go.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:08:45 PM

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Here were emails that John keeps referencing. Note bolded.

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Here's the next turn. I'm beginning to feel like I'm simply non dedicating the time I used to towards the game due to real-life busyness. All those downed torpedoes was because I clicked "set for all TBs in TF" as opposed to "in hex." Argh... As you said, the details matter.

Given the time problems for me and I know you'd wish you get more regular turns. I'm open to letting someone pickup, because I'm not giving you the commitment needed for a fun, hardcore match. That said, I am happy to continue as I do enjoy it when I can get to it and will try to, of course, sink your carriers!

Let me know. If someone expresses interest in picking up, I am more than happy to give them the PW. I'm also more than happy to keep playing. I stress this. Though I might need a break at some point, maybe a week or two (as I know this is how I work), where I come back invigorated and, most likely, wanting to do multiple turns a day.

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No worries and no pressure. I'm perfectly happy to continue. If we do so, I'd suggest maybe a week break where neither of us look at the game. I find I come back the next week ready to focus in on the details and get many turns in.

I sent John an email asking if he wants to look for someone else to take over for him so he can focus on his upcoming match with Dan.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:21:00 PM

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Anachro, if you don't mind, can you post the aircraft list screen for John's Rita's? Release notes call for a small strategic bomber force thanks

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:29:28 PM

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For my part, I *did* comment in John's AAR that, in my experience once players talk about how busy RL is (new job, kids, mortgage, new spouse, illness in the family, personal illness, etc.) and the need for a 'short break' from the game, that usually means 'not coming back to the game'. Once one week goes by with this sort of background, then two weeks goes by. Then a month then it's difficult to get back into the swing of the game while, in the meantime, life goes on. I would have bet against this game continuing based upon the (one-sided) narrative that I was seeing / reading / hearing about then.

Who knows? I may still be right-but not for the reasons I thought.

But I'm not buying the 'I gave you KB2 just for grins, giggles and laughs and not because it's my nature.'

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:30:34 PM

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Sean, haven't you been reading what I've been writing? If you have, you know there's no firm commitment for a game between JIII and me, and that I've asked him to commit to his game with you in his AAR. I haven't heard a thing from him, which is really odd. At this point, therefore, there are no concrete plans for a match between him and me.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:32:29 PM

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Hey Anachro-

Maybe you can ask John if he can re-initiate his Matrix forums password so as he can read the PMs that Canoerebel sent him and reply. Maybe that'll help. Of course, he should do the same with his email too.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:36:30 PM

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Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:45:59 PM

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Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:47:44 PM

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@JohnDillworth
Here are the combat losses so far, which is what I think you mean. John has really pulled back on using his Ritas as they are heavily susceptible to Allied CAP without escort and I have learned to put CAP in deep ports that he has tried to strike in the past like Calcutta or Townsville. I'll echo CBs comments from earlier and say that while the Rita is probably fantastical early in the war, it could potentially be plausible and nonetheless is a significant investment for Japan to produce in numbers. The allies also have the ability to defend against it if they learn their lessons.

@CR
Trust me, I'm not that angry, but my feelings are I want John to be 100% focused on the match. If he's gonna be 50% focused on my match or less (and claim any mistakes are because of that), and 100% focused on yours, then I'd rather him play you so I can play someone who will be focused. And if he has to drop your match to be "focused" on me, I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy and still might "dial it in."

@jwolf
I agree that Japan is still a very potent force and John might rekindle his desire to play with time. Still, it might be best to find some other JFB to pickup the torch at this point in the game (previous admiral got fired for the Kwajalein debacle, etc.). I've no doubt a 100% focused JFB who's probably more knowledgeable about game than me will make life very difficult. It might be interesting to see a shift in strategy too. Preferably, it'd be someone who hasn't looked at this AAR.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:48:45 PM

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Apparently I am unable to communicate clearly, even when communicating clearly.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:51:47 PM

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He's LOST 468 H8K Emilys?

And 575 G5N Liz's? That's not how many he *has*, that's how many he's actually lost to date? Oh brother.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 6:54:17 PM

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I forgot to ask (well I did briefly in my initial post), but is it possible to conduct a 10 range port strike from carriers? Does the 7/8 hex rule only apply to naval attacks and carrier battles?

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:09:11 PM

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I forgot to ask (well I did briefly in my initial post), but is it possible to conduct a 10 range port strike from carriers? Does the 7/8 hex rule only apply to naval attacks and carrier battles?

As the person likely to be least qualified to answer, please take this with a grain of salt: Yes. I've seen it come up in other forums and the 7/8 rule applies specifically to carrier based planes attacking naval targets.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:10:02 PM

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Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind.

Just offered myself as sacrifical lamb. I don't have the MOD but I guess in case it's the easiest problem to solve.

Regarding port strikes: you can strike wherever you want provided you have range, just like you can sweep at 14hexes with Zekes. Unless I don't have a bugged version of the game

(and it might be considering the many strange stuff I'm experiencing recently)

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:11:31 PM

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I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:13:49 PM

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Sorry Floozy Dan, the facts nonwithstanding, you have a reputation of being a homewrecker.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:19:19 PM

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That's only because I'm unusually supple for my age.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:26:06 PM

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I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:26:27 PM

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That's only because I'm unusually supple for my age.

And winsome?

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/9/2019 7:51:27 PM

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Small is relative I suppose. In all fairness this is a fantasy mod so maybe there is a situation where he has to eliminate the Rhur Valley?

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I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 3:15:37 AM

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@Itaklinus thanks for your note, but I think we'll continue in the short-term for now. I think John is simply suffering from SCLS and is looking for excuses to help him cope with what's happened. As mentioned earlier, give it some time and we should be back to posting more regularly, but we'll see. What are the chances that John has KB1 appear off Death Stars flank suddenly in the next few turns and sinks a few USN carriers? What are the chances he continues his AAR or posts in it again after that?

I sent the turn to John earlier. My SCTFs move due east as speed to get out of Japanese air range. My carriers will attempt to conduct a 10-hex port strike on Kwajalein as they make their way to Pearl. In the mean time, I am saturating the ocean between Kwajalein and Truk with submarines. Given events, we should be able to move on Lae and Horn Island in the next month in-game while reinforcing our hold on the great anchorage at Manus.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 12:37:45 PM

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Small is relative I suppose. In all fairness this is a fantasy mod so maybe there is a situation where he has to eliminate the Rhur Valley?

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

I meant "Liz". Its a 4 engine strategic bomber. The mod notes do say "a small strategic bomber force" so perhaps I should have tempered my sarcastic. This seems a "small" force, no?

I'm going to go with 'no' here most likely. If he's LOST 575, what's the build-to-date number that we're talking about? 1,000? In my definition, 1,000 4EBs in mid-1943 is not a 'small' force. YMMV.

Small, as in the starting factory is a size 8. Who knows how much it has been expanded.
I have pointed out in his threads how fantastical his original specs for the plane was considering the time period; he has reduced them since. The plane never approached the design specs, the original engines were a failure[same engine on the first Jills, had a tendency to just quit; which the Japanese thought was a problem for over ocean flights]. The plane was eventually replaced with a less capable but more reliable engine, the prototypes were eventually used as transports in 1943[when maintenance was able to get them in the air] and never used as bombers and they had a cruising speed under 200mph, no self sealing fuel tanks.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 1:43:08 PM

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@Itaklinus thanks for your note, but I think we'll continue in the short-term for now. I think John is simply suffering from SCLS and is looking for excuses to help him cope with what's happened. As mentioned earlier, give it some time and we should be back to posting more regularly, but we'll see. What are the chances that John has KB1 appear off Death Stars flank suddenly in the next few turns and sinks a few USN carriers? What are the chances he continues his AAR or posts in it again after that?

I just read in another AAR a comment about playing the player as opposed to playing the game. Reading your comment above, I'm thinking of a quasi-Machiavellian ploy where you deliberately sacrifice a handful of ships to his main carrier force in order to give him a Banzai rush and renew his desire for the game.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 2:27:20 PM

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Looks like things will be a bit spotty through Christmas as John said he'll be busy. That said, he'll try to get the next turn to me today.

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I don�t know how crazy it is for you with the upcoming Holidays but we have a ton of events coming up. Things will be spotty until we cross December 25th.

As for myself, the whole extended family (couples, children, grand kids, etc.) is doing a trip Disneyworld right before Christmas. The parents are retiring to a place a couple hours outside of Orlando next year and we're doing our first Christmas there this year. Every Christmas previous has been at the old family home in California.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 2:47:05 PM

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Small, as in the starting factory is a size 8. Who knows how much it has been expanded.
I have pointed out in his threads how fantastical his original specs for the plane was considering the time period; he has reduced them since. The plane never approached the design specs, the original engines were a failure[same engine on the first Jills, had a tendency to just quit; which the Japanese thought was a problem for over ocean flights]. The plane was eventually replaced with a less capable but more reliable engine, the prototypes were eventually used as transports in 1943[when maintenance was able to get them in the air] and never used as bombers and they had a cruising speed under 200mph, no self sealing fuel tanks.

4 engine aircraft were pretty sophisticated things for the time and only a couple of economies succeeded at it. Germany dabble but never really got good enough at it and had different strategic needs. Japan had an economy closer to that of Italy, not Germany and certainly not Britain or the US. Production of 4 engine strategic bombers was well beyond the capability of Japan. As you point out, the handful they produced were woefully inadequate. To produce over a thousand of them is far beyond fantasy. It is magical thinking and even that thinking would never have happened. Japan never envisioned needing a strategic bomber. For what? Bombing the US factory base? I suspect John doesn't like the allies having weapons that Japan doesn't have. Again, it is a fantasy mod so I guess anything goes

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 3:27:22 PM

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Most Japanese Factories were glorified machine shops...even the concept that they could manufacture hundreds of large 4-engine bombers is beyond laughable.

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RE: August 28th, 1943 - 12/10/2019 4:01:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: jwolf

Worst case, I hope that John III at least will let someone else pick up his game from the Japan side. He's still got a good CV force -- just not the overpowering fantasy version he had originally with this mod. I'll bet an experienced, tenacious Japanese player could still make life really difficult for Anachro.

Yeah, but it's got to be an experienced, tenacious Japanese player that can:

1. Pick up a game *right now*.
2. Is willing to possibly inherit strategic supply, HI, oil or fuel issues not of their making.
3. Is willing to start a fantasy game with the shine knocked off while the Allies get to keep most of their (admittedly
fewer) new toys.
4. Has this particular version of the fantasy mod installed and ready to go.

Not a lot of them around, I'd venture.

Still, it may be worth it to pick up the AAR and repeatedly cast shade on the strategic dispositions, fantasy OOB and woe-is-me state of affairs that the previous absentee landlord left behind.

Just offered myself as sacrifical lamb. I don't have the MOD but I guess in case it's the easiest problem to solve.

Regarding port strikes: you can strike wherever you want provided you have range, just like you can sweep at 14hexes with Zekes. Unless I don't have a bugged version of the game (and it might be considering the many strange stuff I'm experiencing recently)

There is no downside to picking up a game using this mod as IJ. Your CD guns alone mean the Allies have to pay for every single landing they attempt ,and you don't even have to place them carefully.

Even with a few losses I'm sure John's overall KB strength approaches that of the Allies, especially considering there are Georges on those ships.

It would be interesting to see what a player with a strategic mindset could do in one of his mods.

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RE: Postmortem