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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/7/2020 2:31:30 PM   
kevinkins


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https://theaviationist.com/2020/02/07/airbus-a320-with-172-passengers-on-board-nearly-hit-by-syrian-air-defense-during-israeli-raid/

Not really news but a good summary of the geopolitics Re: Ukraine.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-crossroads-europe-and-russia

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/8/2020 6:17:38 PM   
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Just for scenario authors information — no SS-21 Scarab(Tochka-U) in the active service anymore.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/9/2020 3:47:25 PM   
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The U.S. Navy's Virginia Class attack submarines are formidable weapons platforms. They carry advanced-capability (ADCAP) torpedoes and Tomahawk land-attack cruise missiles. But apparently this is not enough. They are to be the first subs in the world armed with a powerful laser as well.
Documents suggest that the High Energy Laser (HEL) could be incredibly powerful, around 300 kilowatts. And eventually be up to 500 kilowatts. The power will come from the submarine’s nuclear reactor which has a capacity of 30 megawatts. And there are indications that it may already have been tested using a towed power generator instead.

It is likely to be incorporated into the periscope system of the submarine. The periscope mast, nowadays called a Photonics mast, is already a highly sophisticated device. It isn’t like periscopes of old where the captain looked directly through it. Instead it has an array of cameras which can snap high resolution photos in 360 degrees. So the submarine only has to put the mast up for a fleeting moment to get full all-round awareness. With the laser, if it can see it, it can kill it.

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It is unclear why the Navy wants to fit a laser to submarines. One of the possible uses will be as a last ditch defense against aircraft such as drones and anti-submarine helicopters. Traditionally submarines were equipped with machine guns to defend against air attack when they were on the surface. But postwar submarines spend very little time on the surface. The U.S. Navy hasn't built subs with guns for around 70 years.

During the Cold War the British developed the Submarine Launched Airflight Missile, or SLAM. This used a mast with an optical sensor and 6 Blowpipe missiles which could be slaved to the periscope. The missiles had a very short range but could engage enemy helicopters. SLAM was to equip Israeli submarines but it was ultimately never fitted. Today the German Interactive Defense and Attack System (IDAS) uses missiles fired from the torpedo tube to engage aircraft.

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But the high energy laser could have some advantages over missiles. The submarine will only have to reveal itself briefly to zap the threat. And because the laser travels at the speed of light it is very difficult to defend against. Low cost drones are proliferating and submarines operating inshore may face swarms of them. A laser would be cheaper per-kill and not run out of ammunition in the way that a missile system would.

The laser may also be intended for swarms of speed boats such as those used by Iran and North Korea. Individually these are not worth expending torpedoes on and also move very fast which makes torpedo attacks harder. In the old days submarines would surface and use their deck guns on lower value targets. But today the submarine has to let them pass so the laser could provide an alternative.

Finally the laser may be intended to strike coastal targets such as radar stations, submarine piers or communications masts. The target would have to be of sufficiently high value to warrant the inherent risks of placing the submarine so close however.

For the moment the Navy is not providing very much information on the project. So it may be years before the full capabilities of this system are revealed. Whatever the rationale it could quickly become a differentiating capability for American subs.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/9/2020 3:52:16 PM   
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Last launch 2nd of february (search on twitter ;-)
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Just for scenario authors information — no SS-21 Scarab(Tochka-U) in the active service anymore.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/9/2020 4:11:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blast33

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Subs with frickin' lasers!

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/9/2020 9:56:42 PM   
ultradave


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Status: offline 		"The power will come from the submarine’s nuclear reactor which has a capacity of 30 megawatts. "

This is not correct. 30MW is the converted value of 40000 SHP. It is therefore NOT the power output of the nuclear reactor.

But otherwise it's an interesting article.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/11/2020 2:51:44 PM   
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https://defence-blog.com/news/shocking-video-shows-moment-mi-17-helicopter-is-struck-by-missile-over-syria.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/14/2020 10:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vague but this is a quote from Boris Obnosov, general director of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation.

https://rg.ru/2020/02/14/razrabotchik-rasskazal-ob-osobennostiah-raket-dlia-su-57.html

"The Su-57 can take on board up to 10 tons of weapons, the aircraft has eight internal suspension points in the internal weapons compartment and the same number of external ones."

This would equate to 6 suspension points in the main bays, 2 in the small side bays.
Previous reports were indicating just 4 in total in the main bays.
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/14/2020 12:57:54 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/14/2020 10:55:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KLAB

Vague but this is a quote from Boris Obnosov, general director of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation.

https://rg.ru/2020/02/14/razrabotchik-rasskazal-ob-osobennostiah-raket-dlia-su-57.html

"The Su-57 can take on board up to 10 tons of weapons, the aircraft has eight internal suspension points in the internal weapons compartment and the same number of external ones."

This would equate to 6 suspension points in the main bays, 2 in the small side bays.
Previous reports were indicating just 4 in total in the main bays.
K

The part of text about 10 tonnes and 8 hardpoints is not a quotation of Obnosov' direct speech, but a fantasy of the author of the article, probably based on this fan made CGI.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/15/2020 8:53:29 AM   
KLAB


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So the exact layout of the weapons bay is still not in the public domain.
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/15/2020 6:16:12 PM   
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So much for that ...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/16/2020 1:24:46 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/16/2020 1:34:11 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/16/2020 7:50:02 PM   
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I write about defense issues for The National Interest (and, yes, I'm a grognard!). I write a lot about naval issues, especially Russian and Chinese. I can post links here if you'd like.

Latest piece - Australia buying U.S. LRASM anti-ship missiles https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/australia-buying-american-lrasm-anti-ship-missiles-should-china-worry-123751

Michael

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/17/2020 12:50:57 PM   
kevinkins


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Status: offline 		Hey Michael ... great to have you on board. Post whatever you like and of course your original material. Also consider posting to the "War Room" where topics are sometimes discussed in more detail compared to the "News" forum.

Kevin

Some progress for the USN:

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/uss-gerald-r-fords-emals-cleared-for-all-aircraft/136773.article

We all love our Jassms:

https://www.airforcemag.com/usaf-to-start-buying-extreme-range-jassms-in-2021/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/17/2020 8:28:01 PM   
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Michael

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/19/2020 8:41:03 PM   
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The U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence have published their latest China and Russia Maritime Ship Recognition guides:

http://www.andrewerickson.com/2020/02/office-of-naval-intelligence-just-published-latest-china-russia-maritime-ship-recognition-guides/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/19/2020 11:08:04 PM   
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Michael

https://twitter.com/Mipeck1

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/22/2020 2:15:03 PM   
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/24/2020 9:15:33 PM   
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Story Number: NNS200220-09Release Date: 2/20/2020 2:22:00 PMA A A Email this story to a friend Print this story
From NAVSEA Public Affairs
WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy recently installed the first Optical Dazzling Interdictor, Navy (ODIN), a laser weapon system that allows a ship to counter unmanned aerial systems. The first system was installed on the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer USS Dewey (DDG 105), during her recently completed Dry-Docking Selected Restricted Availability.

ODIN’s development, testing and production was done by Navy subject matter experts at Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Dahlgren Division in support of Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems. Their work on the laser weapon system known as LaWS, positioned them to be designated as the design and production agent for ODIN.

During his recent visit on USS Dewey, Mr. James F. Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research development and acquisition (ASN (RDA)) was impressed with the rapid progress made by the team. Geurts stated, “This is a great example of our organic talent at the warfare centers all working together with ship’s company to deliver a system which will provide game-changing capability. Bravo Zulu to the entire ODIN team on being mission-focused and delivering lethal capability to the warfighter.”

Going from an approved idea to installation in two and a half years, ODIN’s install on Dewey will be the first operational employment of the stand-alone system that functions as a dazzler. The system allows the Navy to rapidly deploy an important, new capability to the Navy’s surface force in combating Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) threats.

UAS production and employment has increased significantly, and ODIN was developed to counter these threats.

“The Pacific Fleet Commander identified this urgent Counter-Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance need and the Chief of Naval Operations directed us to fill it as quickly as possible,” said Cmdr. David Wolfe, Program Executive Office Integrated Warfare Systems Directed Energy office. “The NSWC Dahlgren Division team did an amazing job addressing challenges and keeping our accelerated schedule on track and moving forward to deliver this capability.”

Within the next couple of years, the ODIN program will have all units operational within the fleet providing a safer and more technically advanced capability to the US Navy. Lessons learned from ODIN’s installation on Dewey will inform installation on future vessels and further development and implementation of Surface Navy Laser Weapon Systems.
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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/25/2020 11:25:18 AM   
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutton/2020/02/24/photo-shows-that-us-submarines-still-have-stealth-problems/#20bb37b8454a

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/25/2020 8:13:09 PM   
DicedT

 

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https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/new-anti-torpedo-decoys-could-give-us-navy-submarines-fighting-chance-against-russia-or

Michael

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/28/2020 3:24:07 PM   
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https://defence-blog.com/army/u-s-army-displays-model-of-new-hypersonic-weapon.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 2/28/2020 9:15:07 PM   
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Capable of protecting the USAF ’s high value airborne assets (HVAA) in a contested environment makes the Defender a critical piece of the Future Force
#AWS20 #AFA
https://twitter.com/GenAtomics_ASI/status/1233164671773028352?s=19






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RE: Naval and Defense News - 3/1/2020 12:49:55 PM   
kevinkins


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Status: offline 		GIUK gap in the news:

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/02/russian-anti-sub-aircraft-combat-training-further-south-normal-over-norwegian-sea

Recent combat video:

https://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-releases-video-of-missile-strike-on-pantsir-s1-in-syria.html

Powered JDAM:

https://www.airforcemag.com/power-jdam-boeings-new-alternative-to-cruise-missiles/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 3/2/2020 7:55:33 AM   
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GIUK gap in the news:

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2020/02/russian-anti-sub-aircraft-combat-training-further-south-normal-over-norwegian-sea


Probably it occurs due to deployment US and GB submarines for ICEX-2020

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ORIGINAL: kevinkins
Recent combat video:

https://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-releases-video-of-missile-strike-on-pantsir-s1-in-syria.html



It's doubtful. On the video SAM looks like Tor, not Pantsir.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 3/2/2020 3:57:04 PM   
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https://news.usni.org/2020/02/27/coronavirus-concerns-prompt-pacfleet-to-impose-14-day-gap-between-port-visits

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/new-release-date-for-top-gun-maverick/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 3/3/2020 8:49:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		And another Pantsir destroyed in Syria by Turkish drone. I'm really suprised how badly Pantsirs perform against those drones, especially if one considers that Turkey is probably using drones armed with MAM-L which has only 8km range.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxuLQLHH8s&feature=emb_title

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 3/3/2020 10:11:47 PM   
kevinkins


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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting that. A lot of players are following the developing situation in Syria and more specifically the Pantsir. No one seems to know how to use that weapon system and it appears to be a death trap to be anywhere near it. If the reports and vids are accurate ... who knows at this point.

Kevin

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