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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

So far, the only big question is to what extent you gain immunity after you got the virus.

I still haven't found clear answers regarding this, maybe some of you has more resources or studies available.

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Also, honestly, I don't see how the quality of some healthcare system compared to another can be helpful in analysing this tragedy. I think that most of the developed western countries are around the same level, some "points" more or less in a ranking don't change much. In general,

Maybe it's my humanitarian worker's fatalism, but in case of troubles I believe it's more a matter of dumb luck than anything else.


For example: in WHO statistics, Czech Republic is quite far behind (46th I believe) and Italy 2nd. Still, I wouldn't be unconfortable in getting cured here instead of Italy (a part from the huge language barrier, of course). I suppose there are strong differences, but they're not as impacting as we might think.

I guess we should consider rankings relatively unimportant in exceptional situations such as the one we are living.


PS. Yes, you Americans are all very proud of your country, don't know whether it is enough to say there is some kind of "exceptionalism", but that's it. I suppose everyone has some kind of "exceptionalism" toward his or her own country.

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ORIGINAL: DD696

Mind_Messing, I think I can safely say that your little pissing contest has grown tiresome.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

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Also, honestly, I don't see how the quality of some healthcare system compared to another can be helpful in analysing this tragedy. I think that most of the developed western countries are around the same level, some "points" more or less in a ranking don't change much.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

This is a really extensively researched map from the NY Times which goes by county records. It's pretty granular for a large visual.

What is interesting to me is that this is getting everywhere now. Even small, isolated rural areas. I would like to see a similar one for where the testing is happening. If anyone sees that let me know.

The granularity of using counties as a means of tracking reporting has me scratching my head a little bit. I like it better than just statewide data, but not all states' counties are the same. For example, Texas has 254 counties, more than any other state. California (with a larger population) only has 58 counties, with most of the population in less than a dozen of them.

So looking at a visual map of cases based on county data would suggest that Texas' infections are more spread out than they are and California's are more cloistered than they are. Iowa, with 99 counties and a lower population would look really spread out. I don't know which is the right answer...

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

This could be very bad:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Exclusive-Captain-of-aircraft-carrier-with-15167883.php

From the letter her captain wrote about the situation:

“Due to a warship’s inherent limitations of space, we are not doing this [social distancing],” Crozier wrote. “The spread of the disease is ongoing and accelerating.”
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The tight quarters on the carrier are “most conducive to spread,” he wrote, including large amounts of sailors in a confined space, shared sleeping quarters, restrooms, workspaces and computers, a common mess hall, meals cooked by exposed personnel, and movement constraints requiring communal contact with ladders and hatches.

The above is an exact description of my experiences back in the day.

But there is more, and I think that it is obvious. I don't know what kind of operations the Roosevelt was undergoing, but what if asymptomatic crewmembers diffused the Coronavirus to other ships/land installations via either helos, airplanes or motorboats?

Strangely enough, the SF Chronicle piece doesn't address this potential problem.

I read that she is docked in Guam - an island that hasn't hospital spaces for 4.000 potential infected.

This situation should be closely monitored. I'm really worried.

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

It is a good virtual simulation of how a virus spreads . The General Discussion forum was hit by the STATSvid-20 virus (better known as the "My Math is longer than yours" virus, due to its effects) and all the productivity there basically dropped to a crawl.

I fled here. Luckily I was not a carrier.

We looked at the GD hotzone thinking "We are fine. We are demonstrating that this will never happen here". So, instead of being ready and snuff at once a similar event on this forum, we went along - until the first scare happened. Now, containment is in order. We also saw how easy it is for the STATSvid-20 virus to "explode" and spread in a blink.

I always find fascinating when two very different things show the same underlying structure. It is always a learning experience.

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

It is a good virtual simulation of how a virus spreads . The General Discussion forum was hit by the STATSvid-20 virus (better known as the "My Math is longer than yours" virus, due to its effects) and all the productivity there basically dropped to a crawl.

I fled here. Luckily I was not a carrier.

We looked at the GD hotzone thinking "We are fine. We are demonstrating that this will never happen here". So, instead of being ready and snuff at once a similar event on this forum, we went along - until the first scare happened. Now, containment is in order. We also saw how easy it is for the STATSvid-20 virus to "explode" and spread in a blink.

I always find fascinating when two very different things show the same underlying structure. It is always a learning experience.

Maybe you acquired immunity on the GD thread...or you could be a symptom-less carrier
We need a way to test you...

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

It is a good virtual simulation of how a virus spreads . The General Discussion forum was hit by the STATSvid-20 virus (better known as the "My Math is longer than yours" virus, due to its effects) and all the productivity there basically dropped to a crawl.

I fled here. Luckily I was not a carrier.

We looked at the GD hotzone thinking "We are fine. We are demonstrating that this will never happen here". So, instead of being ready and snuff at once a similar event on this forum, we went along - until the first scare happened. Now, containment is in order. We also saw how easy it is for the STATSvid-20 virus to "explode" and spread in a blink.

I always find fascinating when two very different things show the same underlying structure. It is always a learning experience.

Maybe you acquired immunity on the GD thread...or you could be a symptom-less carrier
We need a way to test you...

I think we're testing everybody here.

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The thread is dedicated to coronavirus. There are many differences in opinion and the vast majority of Forumites manage to get along, or so it seems to me, and there's been alot of vigorous back and forth for weeks. I don't understand the sudden urge to get sidetracked to veer off on unproductive tangents. We know what'll happen. We'll fracture into different camps, argue, and eventually the thread will dry up. Where's the sense in doing that?

It is a good virtual simulation of how a virus spreads . The General Discussion forum was hit by the STATSvid-20 virus (better known as the "My Math is longer than yours" virus, due to its effects) and all the productivity there basically dropped to a crawl.

I fled here. Luckily I was not a carrier.

We looked at the GD hotzone thinking "We are fine. We are demonstrating that this will never happen here". So, instead of being ready and snuff at once a similar event on this forum, we went along - until the first scare happened. Now, containment is in order. We also saw how easy it is for the STATSvid-20 virus to "explode" and spread in a blink.

I always find fascinating when two very different things show the same underlying structure. It is always a learning experience.

Maybe you acquired immunity on the GD thread...or you could be a symptom-less carrier
We need a way to test you...

I think we're testing everybody here.

We're trying everyone here. Very trying.

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COLLEGEVILLE, Minn. -- As more cases of COVID-19 develop across the U.S., military veterans are among those most at risk for falling seriously ill from the disease. They’re also bearing the brunt of many measures aimed at stopping the virus’ rapid spread.

About half of U.S. veterans are over the age of 65, and many have underlying health complications, making them especially vulnerable to the new coronavirus, which often causes respiratory illness in people who are infected.
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State and federal VA officials say early action and experience caring for the very sick — including patients in intensive care and on ventilators — mean the sprawling agency is prepared for a worst-case scenario.

That’s in part because the VA also serves as a backstop to the civilian U.S. health care system for major events — not only war, said VA Secretary Robert Wilkie.

“For natural disasters and epidemics, we provide a backup force for the country, and we rehearse and exercise these scenarios throughout the year,” he said.

Wilkie said the VA has access to federal stockpiles of medical supplies and has a reserve force of 3,000 staff around the country that can be deployed in an emergency. The VA hasn’t received requests from states yet to provide large-scale support, he said.

As of Wednesday, the VA had reported that 365 veterans across the U.S. have tested positive for COVID-19, and four have died.

Meanwhile, VA medical facilities have taken steps to screen patients and restrict visitors. As with other health care facilities, elective surgeries and procedures have been postponed, and nonurgent medical appointments are being rescheduled.

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“Social distancing doesn’t necessarily mean that you isolate. You reach out,” Havlick said. “If you haven’t heard from somebody, give them a call.”

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I want to be tested...oh wait...I thought this was the chlamydia thread...never mind.

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ORIGINAL: DD696

I hope not too much work is needed on your out house in this time of TP shortage.

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ORIGINAL: DD696

Nah. Glue is obviously the only thing that holds your brain together.