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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course there aren't enough tests to simultaneously test 1/3rd of billion people. There aren't enough medical people to COLLECT 1/3rd of billion tests or enough laboratory techs to RUN 1/3rd of billion tests or enough medical people to give results and advice to 1/3rd of a billion people.

Suppose you test 1/3rd of a billion people on Saturday and you have a million lab couriers to take the tests to the lab and a million techs running 330 labs each and everyone shows up to work on time and works on nothing else so it's all done by 2 PM and now you need 10 million nurses and doctors to call all 330 million and everyone HAS a phone and ANSWERS their phone (even the illegal aliens of which there are 20 million) and when they answer you need translators for Hmong and Que-Che and Cantonese and Swahili etc.

Now you have 35 million positives and you have to counsel them and tell them to stay home which they have already been advised to do...WHEW! Now, on Sunday, you only have 300 million to retest because some of them will have converted during the night....and there you go again.

The only practical way to measure incidence in a prospective fashion in a large population with many asymptomatic cases is with a sizable careful random sample.

In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

He probably has a mural of Chairman Mao plus Pol Pot on the ceiling of his bedroom.

Y'all can leave the personal attacks on other forumites out of this, k thanks. I don't see them disparaging you, despite ample opportunity to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Here's the situation with respect to leading countries.

The USA currently has 28 deaths per million.

We are BENEATH the curve on the model posted by Erik Rutens a few days back that shows a total of 93k mortalities over five months.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course there aren't enough tests to simultaneously test 1/3rd of billion people. There aren't enough medical people to COLLECT 1/3rd of billion tests or enough laboratory techs to RUN 1/3rd of billion tests or enough medical people to give results and advice to 1/3rd of a billion people.

Suppose you test 1/3rd of a billion people on Saturday and you have a million lab couriers to take the tests to the lab and a million techs running 330 labs each and everyone shows up to work on time and works on nothing else so it's all done by 2 PM and now you need 10 million nurses and doctors to call all 330 million and everyone HAS a phone and ANSWERS their phone (even the illegal aliens of which there are 20 million) and when they answer you need translators for Hmong and Que-Che and Cantonese and Swahili etc.

Now you have 35 million positives and you have to counsel them and tell them to stay home which they have already been advised to do...WHEW! Now, on Sunday, you only have 300 million to retest because some of them will have converted during the night....and there you go again.

The only practical way to measure incidence in a prospective fashion in a large population with many asymptomatic cases is with a sizable careful random sample.

In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

He probably has a mural of Chairman Mao plus Pol Pot on the ceiling of his bedroom.

Y'all can leave the personal attacks on other forumites out of this, k thanks. I don't see them disparaging you, despite ample opportunity to do so.

x2 - we don't need to do this. I would also note that Cap did offer an apology later in the thread.

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

I also read CNN for entertainment and a look at how the leftists are slanting their presentation of the news.

As CR pointed out, most religious institutions have suspended group services voluntarily, regardless of whether, or not, their Governors, as our Florida Governor has done, allows them to continue to congregate.

There will always be a fringe few, under any mandated restrictions, that refuse to obey voluntary guidelines. There will even be some who defy mandatory guidelines. Using a few examples that have had the spotlight of scrutiny shined upon them by them by the media as representative of the whole is short sighted.

Ah look, more espousing of politics. I made a commitment to calling out the political posts, but I think I missed a few before this one in my catch-up of the drama that happened here over the weekend.

If you'd left the politics out of this post, I'd only have this to respond to, which is an actual contribution to discussion:

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There will always be a fringe few, under any mandated restrictions, that refuse to obey voluntary guidelines. There will even be some who defy mandatory guidelines. Using a few examples that have had the spotlight of scrutiny shined upon them by them by the media as representative of the whole is short sighted.

This highlights why trustworthy institutions are so important.

There are certain cable and blog-style outlets masquerading as news that don't want you to trust any institutions because it benefits them and theirs at the expense of you and yours. But we should leave them out of discussion here.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Daily mortality chart in Italy, through yesterday. Today's 525 is a big step in the right direction.

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

My sister-in-law is an internist at UPMC and got this link in a newsletter:

https://www.upmc.com/coronavirus/vaccine?emb=CTA2Button_Vaccine_4&et_cid=785574&et_rid=308841&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=covid19&utm_content=UPMC-covid19-database-email-5&em_id=tr_UPMC-covid19-database-email-5_Apr-20_e1

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Excerpt from NPR show a couple of days ago, given below with link here: https://www.npr.org/2020/04/03/826522334/states-without-coronavirus-lockdown-orders-are-under-scrutiny

Those are states with a few big cities and a lot of open land. Projected mortality rates for them:

1. Arkansas - 206/M
2. Iowa - 480/M
3. Nebraska - 235/M
4. North Dakota - 221/M
5. South Dakota - 231/M

Four of these five are doing better than Georgia and all are doing better than New York.

I'm glad Georgia has a statewide mandate but I don't see any evidence presented here or in preceding posts that people in, say, North Dakota aren't capable of handling this as they see fit.

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My sister-in-law is an internist at UPMC and got this link in a newsletter:

https://www.upmc.com/coronavirus/vaccine?emb=CTA2Button_Vaccine_4&et_cid=785574&et_rid=308841&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=covid19&utm_content=UPMC-covid19-database-email-5&em_id=tr_UPMC-covid19-database-email-5_Apr-20_e1

Interesting.

"“We had previous experience on SARS-CoV in 2003 and MERS-CoV in 2014. These two viruses, which are closely related to SARS-CoV-2, teach us that a particular protein, called a spike protein, is important for inducing immunity against the virus. We knew exactly where to fight this new virus,” said co-senior author Andrea Gambotto, M.D., "

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert;

You are a smart guy. I enjoy your posts. I apologize for calling Mind-Messing a "peacock". This was a biologically inapt analogy. I will try to behave myself. <hands begin to twitch uncontrollably

I agree, no need to insult peacocks.

As Tommy Chong once said "Take a 'lude, man!"

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

My sister-in-law is an internist at UPMC and got this link in a newsletter:

https://www.upmc.com/coronavirus/vaccine?emb=CTA2Button_Vaccine_4&et_cid=785574&et_rid=308841&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=covid19&utm_content=UPMC-covid19-database-email-5&em_id=tr_UPMC-covid19-database-email-5_Apr-20_e1

Interesting.

"“We had previous experience on SARS-CoV in 2003 and MERS-CoV in 2014. These two viruses, which are closely related to SARS-CoV-2, teach us that a particular protein, called a spike protein, is important for inducing immunity against the virus. We knew exactly where to fight this new virus,” said co-senior author Andrea Gambotto, M.D., "

I had already posted information about that vaccine.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The extent to which Obvert is out of touch with his grasp of what's going on in Georgia is his take that "Atlanta seems to be doing great."

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

How exactly do people know who is traveling and who isn't? You didn't post a link to that map, but I'd like to take a closer look. I don't see how anybody can tally who is traveling and who isn't.

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NYC to begin temporarily burying coronavirus victims in local parks
April 6, 2020

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-to-begin-temporarily-burying-coronavirus-victims-in-local-parks/

"“We may well be dealing with temporary burials, so we can deal with each family later,” the mayor said. We will have the capacity for temporary burials – that’s all I’m going to say.”

“I’m not going into details,” de Blasio said. “I don’t think it’s a great thing to be talking about.”"



Disclaimer- Articles that I post are not a argument of what I believe or don't believe.
Merely info on what is going on.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Good article from Nature.

The author asks "If pangolins are the source and they came from anther country, why haven't we heard about any cases there?"

Seems to me that is a damn good question.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm still waiting for actual facts to back up that the CNN report was false.

I'm sure its got lost in the squabbling but as you and others have said it was, I assumed you have something to back that up.

My concern is purely that if you don't have at what we have over here, then the virus will kill many more of you than it would normally, and I can't see any justification for that.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Yes, that's it. They explain right at the top why they updated for "new information".

Q: What are the qualifications for the fact checker job at CNN?

A: You are sleeping with a producer but you are still too ugly for daytime or prime time TV

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I think the other Germans and me could explain a lot about the situation in Germany and its approach to the crisis and how our federal system works. But I'm afraid that they and me are genuinely disgusted about the dogmatism and bad athmosphere of this thread now. Did you notice that fewer and fewer non-USA forumites are posting? Soon even the last Scots and Brits will have left.

I for my part won't post anything anymore because I seems to be of no use at all. You already seem to know everything and if it doesn't fit into your view of the world the "offender" receives a US **** storm in the end. So this thread turned into a club of people discussing US internal affairs. International statistics and comments are only needed if they fit into their view of the world. Unfortunately no Chinese forumite is present. I would have liked to hear his opinion about all the abstruse theories about China (audiatur et altera pars!) Good luck to you all and goodbye WitP-forum!

That is unfortunate.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

So we opened the floodgates of America bashing and we finally see people's true colors.

Good riddance.

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I forgot to allow for the sheer volume of MakeeLearn's posts.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Doctors At University of Pittsburgh Medical Center: We’ve Developed a Vaccine Against Coronavirus
Posted at 4:00 pm on April 2, 2020

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Doctors and researchers at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center have announced amazing news.

They are saying they’ve created a vaccine that can protect against developing COVID-19 and they want federal permission for human trials.

From Penn Live:

They said they began working on it Jan. 21 and found mice had developed antibodies against COVID-19 about two weeks after receiving the vaccine. They said they based the vaccine on work previously done at UPMC that sought to create vaccines to protect against SARS and MERS, which they said are similar to the new coronavirus.

Not only that the doctors say the vaccine is easily deliverable in large quantities.

They further said their vaccine is one that is easily scalable to produce in large quantities. It also includes a unique delivery method in which hundreds of tiny needles are in a patch similar to a Band-Aid, with the needles, made of sugar and protein particles, dissolving into the skin to deliver the vaccine.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/04/02/doctors-at-university-of-pittsburgh-medical-center-weve-developed-a-vaccine-for-the-wuhan-virus/

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There Is No Plan for the End of the Coronavirus Crisis
Apr. 5, 2020

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/there-is-no-plan-for-the-end-of-the-coronavirus-crisis.html


"But in recent days, Hong Kong and Taiwan, noting a rise of new cases arriving via international visitors, have shut their borders. Cases are spiking in Japan, and a second wave of infections is feared in China, as well.

Which means that, all told, many of the nations desperate Americans have spent the last few months praising as exemplary models of public health management do not actually have the virus under control — or at least not to the degree it appeared a few weeks ago, or to the degree you might be hoping for if you expected a (relatively) quick end to quarantine measures and economic shutdown followed by a (relatively) rapid snapback to “normal” life and economic recovery."

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

I also read CNN for entertainment and a look at how the leftists are slanting their presentation of the news.

As CR pointed out, most religious institutions have suspended group services voluntarily, regardless of whether, or not, their Governors, as our Florida Governor has done, allows them to continue to congregate.

There will always be a fringe few, under any mandated restrictions, that refuse to obey voluntary guidelines. There will even be some who defy mandatory guidelines. Using a few examples that have had the spotlight of scrutiny shined upon them by them by the media as representative of the whole is short sighted.

Ah look, more espousing of politics. I made a commitment to calling out the political posts, but I think I missed a few before this one in my catch-up of the drama that happened here over the weekend.

If you'd left the politics out of this post, I'd only have this to respond to, which is an actual contribution to discussion:

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There will always be a fringe few, under any mandated restrictions, that refuse to obey voluntary guidelines. There will even be some who defy mandatory guidelines. Using a few examples that have had the spotlight of scrutiny shined upon them by them by the media as representative of the whole is short sighted.

This highlights why trustworthy institutions are so important.

There are certain cable and blog-style outlets masquerading as news that don't want you to trust any institutions because it benefits them and theirs at the expense of you and yours. But we should leave them out of discussion here.

It was a RESPONSE to some one casting aspersions on anyone who reads Fox news.
It was an attempt to undermine the portrayal of some one based on what they read.
I balanced it by pointing out that the news through a filter door swings both ways.

Get a grip Loka

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(About someone recovering, his story - Joe)
She wants to keep supplies of the drug for people who need it for other conditions:

MI Gov. Bans Hydroxychloroquine; Constituent Who Credits the Drug for Saving His Life Wants to Talk
Posted at 7:00 pm on March 27, 2020 by Elizabeth Vaughn

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As a COVID-19 survivor who is currently recovering, I believe it is important to share my story publicly so others have hope.
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On March 18th, I had a sudden onset of severe respiratory and cardiac issues. I immediately went to the hospital and they did a COVID-19 test. Despite my test being marked as a priority, I did not receive the test results until the evening of March 22nd. While waiting for the test results in the hospital, my breathing continued to worsen as treatment was received. Without having the COVID-19 test results, the wonderful and hard-working doctors basically have their hands tied as certain medications (i.e. steroids, etc.) can potentially make COVID-19 worse. On the morning of March 21st, I was not doing well and it was a major struggle to breathe. Feeling like I was slowly drowning, I honestly believed I would not live to see midnight. The x-ray that morning also showed my condition was worsening, including some collapsing in the lungs. Luckily, the infectious disease physicians decided to try a non-approved, experimental combination (Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin). This is the same treatment President Donald Trump recently mentioned at a press conference and continues to be attacked for. After my first dose, I had a major improvement. My gasping for air stopped, and I was in tears of happiness due to having hope restored. I finally felt I would beat COVID-19 and it was no longer beating me. On March 22nd, I remained about the same. However, March 23rd brought a significant improvement. I continued to recover and was miraculously able to go home on March 24th to continue the treatment.

Edit: I forgot the link!

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/27/michigan-gov.-warns-doctors-pharmacists-who-prescribe-or-dispense-hydroxychloroquine-of-professional-consequences

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