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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:11:37 PM   
Canoerebel


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:14:29 PM   
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Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the jungle...'Scientists discover six new coronaviruses in bats' https://phys.org/news/2020-04-scientists-coronaviruses.html



Deleted - misread the original post intention that it was about different viruses in the same family, not different versions of the same virus.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:25:25 PM   
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That so works for me; I laughed.
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:34:07 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:41:52 PM   
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It's not funny. Gators are protected. It's a felony to poison one.
warspite1

I agree it's not funny. I hope the man who was eaten, and gave the Alligator the virus, feels the full force of the law upon him soon. He needs to be taught a lesson so he won't do it again


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:43:18 PM   
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Starving, angry and cannibalistic: America's rats are getting desperate amid coronavirus pandemic
14 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/newsfeature/starving-angry-and-cannibalistic-americas-rats-are-getting-desperate-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/ar-BB12ArzM?li=BBnbcA0


"As millions of Americans shelter indoors to combat the deadly virus, which has claimed over 21,000 U.S. lives, many businesses — including restaurants and grocery stores — have closed or limited operations, cutting off many rodents' main sources for food. On deserted streets across the country, rats are in dire survival mode, experts say."


Feed them cornmeal - mixed with powdered cement!



Ahh - American brick-rats - you heard it here first! PETA is soooo gunna have a fit with you, Joe. Just saying...


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:45:57 PM   
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Dec 6: Wife of Wuhan wet market case number 1 become ill with pneumonia. She has no direct exposure to Wuhan market. Wuhan doctors begin to grow suspicious.

Dec 21: Wuhan doctors detect a cluster of pneumonias with unknown cause.

Dec 25: Two hospital workers become ill with the same symptoms and are quarantined. Why were they quarantined? Because any idiot can see it is probably transmissible from person to person.

late Dec 2019: huge upswing in cases in Wuhan

By Dec 25 (and probably earlier), Chinese authorities had to know there was human transmission...yet they lied to the WHO..saying it wasn't. Then on Jan 23rd they close down Wuhan but everyone getting on the last train is wearing masks. Clearly the LOCALS already knew and they were getting out. Some were getting out of China altogether. Some were escaping to other parts of China.

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

Peak flights Jan 26, 1 million passengers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1097482/china-volume-of-air-passengers-during-chinese-new-year-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

430,000 traveled form China to US before the ban was emplaced and after Corona virus was detected.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

Not sure how to interpret this, but another explanation comes to mind.
1. A lot of Chinese wear masks all the time-for the pollution.
2. During the Chinese New Year, almost everyone goes to visit their family, wherever in the world they happen to be.
3. The Chinese also consider it their duty at least once in their lifetime to visit the gravesites of ancestors interred abroad. The Chinese populations in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Cuba (and probably more countries) largely stem from the Chinese workers brought in to build railroads in the mid to late 1800s. Many died during this employment and their graves are all along the routes they worked. That would bring a lot of Chinese visitors to the countries involved.

So all this stuff about a mass bug-out from Wuhan has to be tempered with what normal travel would be. Was the last train from Wuhan crowded because of fear of the virus or just people wanting to get out to visit family like they had planned? I can't tell from the reporting so far which seemed to be the reporters' impressions rather than actual survey of the people in a statistically significant way.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 7:50:34 PM   
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Starving, angry and cannibalistic: America's rats are getting desperate amid coronavirus pandemic
14 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/newsfeature/starving-angry-and-cannibalistic-americas-rats-are-getting-desperate-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/ar-BB12ArzM?li=BBnbcA0


"As millions of Americans shelter indoors to combat the deadly virus, which has claimed over 21,000 U.S. lives, many businesses — including restaurants and grocery stores — have closed or limited operations, cutting off many rodents' main sources for food. On deserted streets across the country, rats are in dire survival mode, experts say."


Feed them cornmeal - mixed with powdered cement!



Ahh - American brick-rats - you heard it here first! PETA is soooo gunna have a fit with you, Joe. Just saying...


I learned that from my step-grandfather. It works.

Up to a point, and then the cannibal rats just gorge on the bodies of their constipated brethren!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:00:01 PM   
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Central Florida woman withdrawing part of coronavirus stimulus payment finds $8.5 million in bank account
https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/central-florida-woman-withdrawing-part-of-coronavirus-stimulus-payment-finds-8-5-million-in-bank-account

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:05:56 PM   
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Wisconsin doctor and husband killed execution-style by daughter's boyfriend, prosecutors say
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Wisconsin doctor and husband killed execution-style by daughter's boyfriend, prosecutors say

Updated on: April 8, 2020 / 7:37 AM / CBS/AP

Prosecutors on Tuesday charged a teenager with fatally shooting a University of Wisconsin physician and her husband, who were the parents of his girlfriend, and leaving their bodies at the school's arboretum. Khari Sanford, 18, was charged with two counts of party to the crime of first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon.
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A friend of Potter's told investigators that the couple had moved their daughter and Sanford out of their house and into a rental home because they were not following social distancing rules amid the coronavirus outbreak. Potter's supervisor at University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics said Potter's medication put her at greater risk of infection and that she needed social distancing.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beth-potter-killed-wisconsin-physician-and-husband-killed-by-daughters-boyfriend-khari-sanford-police-say/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:07:43 PM   
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California Early Response helped flatten the curve: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/california-economy-coronavirus-newsom/index.html


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:20:44 PM   
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Will these count as CoVid-19 deaths?

Wisconsin doctor and husband killed execution-style by daughter's boyfriend, prosecutors say
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Wisconsin doctor and husband killed execution-style by daughter's boyfriend, prosecutors say

Updated on: April 8, 2020 / 7:37 AM / CBS/AP

Prosecutors on Tuesday charged a teenager with fatally shooting a University of Wisconsin physician and her husband, who were the parents of his girlfriend, and leaving their bodies at the school's arboretum. Khari Sanford, 18, was charged with two counts of party to the crime of first-degree intentional homicide, use of a dangerous weapon.
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A friend of Potter's told investigators that the couple had moved their daughter and Sanford out of their house and into a rental home because they were not following social distancing rules amid the coronavirus outbreak. Potter's supervisor at University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics said Potter's medication put her at greater risk of infection and that she needed social distancing.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beth-potter-killed-wisconsin-physician-and-husband-killed-by-daughters-boyfriend-khari-sanford-police-say/?intcid=CNI-00-10aaa3b


Grim

Along similar lines https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8217383/London-man-bludgeoned-wife-death-asked-leave-coronavirus-court-hears.html

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:23:53 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 8:51:51 PM   
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If it's Spiegelhalter saying that it needs looked in to, then it really does.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:15:53 PM   
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"A 99-year-old army veteran who has raised more than £3m to help the NHS in the fight against Covid-19 has vowed to keep going even though he has smashed his original £1,000 target.

Tom Moore aimed to complete 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden by Thursday, walking with the aid of a frame."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52278746

For those of you outside the UK the accompanying video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9k2gfBmetc - it's only a couple of minutes long and is well worth watching if you want a bit of a pick-me-up .

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:45:26 PM   
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Apr 13 2020


https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200413/Novel-coronavirus-attacks-and-destroys-T-cells-just-like-HIV.aspx



"Now, a team from the United States and China revealed evidence that the coronavirus disease, caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), attacks the immune system’s T lymphocytes. The worrying findings highlight the destructive power of the novel coronavirus, which can destroy the immune system, leaving the patient unable to fight off the infection."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:49:49 PM   
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Starving, angry and cannibalistic: America's rats are getting desperate amid coronavirus pandemic
14 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/newsfeature/starving-angry-and-cannibalistic-americas-rats-are-getting-desperate-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/ar-BB12ArzM?li=BBnbcA0


"As millions of Americans shelter indoors to combat the deadly virus, which has claimed over 21,000 U.S. lives, many businesses — including restaurants and grocery stores — have closed or limited operations, cutting off many rodents' main sources for food. On deserted streets across the country, rats are in dire survival mode, experts say."


Feed them cornmeal - mixed with powdered cement!



Ahh - American brick-rats - you heard it here first! PETA is soooo gunna have a fit with you, Joe. Just saying...


I learned that from my step-grandfather. It works.

Up to a point, and then the cannibal rats just gorge on the bodies of their constipated brethren!


Ask me if I care what PETA thinks.

If the rats start eating other rats, that is fine as well.

Or, make a rat trap. A large drum with a stick that the rats can climb onto to try and get some food in the middle. The stick is slippery at the end and their weight causes it to dip and the rats fall into the drum. If the drum is full of water, the rats drown. If the drum is not full of water, take the rats to a place with a Herpetology exhibit, alligators/crocodiles, other large carnivorus animals and that would be free food for the animals.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:52:42 PM   
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Rat problem?

Just give it a little time....

During the Siege of Vicksburg rats were considered "good eating".

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:59:11 PM   
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CANTON, China -- Rats are all over the "Jia Lu" Restaurant. Rats in the kitchen. Rats on diners' plates. Rats between their chopsticks.

There's braised rat meat with roast pork and garlic. There's rat in black bean sauce. There's crispy fried rat. There's stewed rat.


https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-25-1992056083-story.html

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 9:59:37 PM   
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Lee should not have attacked the Union center on day 3



Yep! Next thing you know, Lee is anal swabbing bats in Wuhan.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 10:02:15 PM   
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Rats to you: At this place, it's a menu, not an insult

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CANTON, China -- Rats are all over the "Jia Lu" Restaurant. Rats in the kitchen. Rats on diners' plates. Rats between their chopsticks.

There's braised rat meat with roast pork and garlic. There's rat in black bean sauce. There's crispy fried rat. There's stewed rat.


https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-02-25-1992056083-story.html



Black Sabbath have a recipe for Rat Salad.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 10:19:34 PM   
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April 14, 2020


https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/newly-found-coronavirus-mutation-could-threaten-vaccine-race-study-says/


"Scientists say they have discovered the first evidence of a “significant” mutation of the coronavirus — raising concerns that strides made toward a vaccine so far could become “futile,” according to a new study.

The researchers, who isolated a strain of the virus from a sample collected in India in January, said the mutation appeared to make the bug less able to bind to a receptor on human cells called ACE2, an enzyme found in the lungs.

The discovery of this mutation “raises the alarm that the ongoing vaccine development may become futile in future epidemic if more mutations were identified,” the researchers said, according to Newsweek. The study, which was published on biorxiv.org on Saturday, has not yet been peer-reviewed."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 10:45:26 PM   
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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-04142020.pdf

According to the brief BBC report that linked to it when they talk about a cause of death 'equivalent' to Covid-19 they are talking about people who died with 'respiritory symptoms' but I'm not sure where they got that as the page itself does not define equivalent. I'd suggest that the 'probables' are likely an overestimate.

Whichever way you apportion it they are reporting a total from all causes of 18,500 in 33 days - 560/day. Google isn't being particularly helpful in finding total deaths pa for either the state or for the city by way of comparision. The closest I've got is the CDCs stats for the ten leading causes of deaths for New York State for 2017 which came to 122k deaths or c.330/day for a population of c.19 million, of which c.8.5m live in New York City. Even if you allow for a higher proportion of deaths in winter than summer I think you could be fairly confident in suggesting that the overall death rate in NYC has at least doubled compared to 2017.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 11:03:40 PM   
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23 mins ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-for-halt-to-us-funding-for-world-health-organization-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/ar-BB12D4Vp?li=BBnb7Kz


"The Trump administration will halt funding to the World Health Organization as it evaluates the agency’s “role in severely mismanaging” the coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump announced Tuesday.

“Today I’m instructing my administration to halt funding of the World Health Organization while a review is conducted to assess the World Health Organization’s role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus,” Trump said at a White House press conference."


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 11:21:03 PM   
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Trump calls for halt to US funding for World Health Organization amid coronavirus outbreak
23 mins ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-for-halt-to-us-funding-for-world-health-organization-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/ar-BB12D4Vp?li=BBnb7Kz


"The Trump administration will halt funding to the World Health Organization as it evaluates the agency’s “role in severely mismanaging” the coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump announced Tuesday.

“Today I’m instructing my administration to halt funding of the World Health Organization while a review is conducted to assess the World Health Organization’s role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus,” Trump said at a White House press conference."


Good.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 11:29:24 PM   
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32 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cdc-fema-have-created-a-plan-to-reopen-america-heres-what-it-says/ar-BB12DkUj?li=BBnb7Kz


"A team of government officials — led by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — has created a public health strategy to combat the coronavirus and reopen parts of the country."

"The plan lays out three-phases: Preparing the nation to reopen with a national communication campaign and community readiness assessment until May 1.

Then, the effort, through May 15, would involve ramping up manufacturing of testing kits and personal protective equipment and increasing emergency funding.

Then staged reopenings would begin, depending on local conditions. The plan does not give specific dates for reopenings but specified “not before May 1.” "

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 11:29:26 PM   
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New York City has released mortality statistics for March 11 - April 13.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-04142020.pdf

According to the brief BBC report that linked to it when they talk about a cause of death 'equivalent' to Covid-19 they are talking about people who died with 'respiritory symptoms' but I'm not sure where they got that as the page itself does not define equivalent. I'd suggest that the 'probables' are likely an overestimate.

Whichever way you apportion it they are reporting a total from all causes of 18,500 in 33 days - 560/day. Google isn't being particularly helpful in finding total deaths pa for either the state or for the city by way of comparision. The closest I've got is the CDCs stats for the ten leading causes of deaths for New York State for 2017 which came to 122k deaths or c.330/day for a population of c.19 million, of which c.8.5m live in New York City. Even if you allow for a higher proportion of deaths in winter than summer I think you could be fairly confident in suggesting that the overall death rate in NYC has at least doubled compared to 2017.


Here are some interesting facts about the New York City population:

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With a July 2015 population of 8,550,405, New York is the most populous city in the United States, more than twice the size of the second largest city, Los Angeles.
About 1 in every 38 people living in the United States resides in New York City.
New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile.
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There is a death in New York City every 9.1 minutes.


https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/planning-level/nyc-population/population-facts.page

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/14/2020 11:37:52 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/15/2020 12:12:00 AM   
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New York City has released mortality statistics for March 11 - April 13.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-04142020.pdf

According to the brief BBC report that linked to it when they talk about a cause of death 'equivalent' to Covid-19 they are talking about people who died with 'respiritory symptoms' but I'm not sure where they got that as the page itself does not define equivalent. I'd suggest that the 'probables' are likely an overestimate.

Whichever way you apportion it they are reporting a total from all causes of 18,500 in 33 days - 560/day. Google isn't being particularly helpful in finding total deaths pa for either the state or for the city by way of comparision. The closest I've got is the CDCs stats for the ten leading causes of deaths for New York State for 2017 which came to 122k deaths or c.330/day for a population of c.19 million, of which c.8.5m live in New York City. Even if you allow for a higher proportion of deaths in winter than summer I think you could be fairly confident in suggesting that the overall death rate in NYC has at least doubled compared to 2017.


Here are some interesting facts about the New York City population:

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With a July 2015 population of 8,550,405, New York is the most populous city in the United States, more than twice the size of the second largest city, Los Angeles.
About 1 in every 38 people living in the United States resides in New York City.
New York has the highest population density of any major city in the United States, with over 27,000 people per square mile.
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There is a death in New York City every 9.1 minutes.


https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/planning-level/nyc-population/population-facts.page


Wow crazy stuff . Density is over twice than in London (roughly similar populations). Only just below that of Delhi (30 million (!) people at 29k/sq mile - you can see why they were so keen to lock everything down despite low case numbers).

I do agree that density is likely a significant driver although not necessarily deterministic.

It is probably also worth pointing out that in the longer run, even if other US cities drop that 100% increase in overall mortality to 10% that still equates to a very big number of added deaths. I'm not saying that is inevitable - Germany and S. Korea have shown the way. Just that that outcome remains on the cards if things aren't done right.


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