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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/27/2020 11:25:09 PM   
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Here is another Stat article, a good one for all I think.

Scientists who express different views on Covid-19 should be heard, not demonized

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/hear-scientists-different-views-covid-19-dont-attack-them/



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/27/2020 11:29:47 PM   
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Monday, April 27th 2020

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coronavirus/virus-is-expected-to-reduce-meat-selection-and-raise-prices



"DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Meat isn't going to disappear from supermarkets because of outbreaks of the coronavirus among workers at U.S. slaughterhouses. But as the meat plants struggle to remain open, consumers could face less selection and slightly higher prices.

Industry leaders acknowledge that the U.S. food chain has rarely been so stressed and that no one is sure about the future, even as they try to dispel concerns about shortages."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/27/2020 11:30:10 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/27/2020 11:33:06 PM   
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It has some Schiller, philosophy and psychology also thrown in:

"Die Gehorsams-Probe
Maskenzwang, Impfpflicht und Co. ermöglichen es dem Staat in bisher unvorstellbarem Ausmaß, die Bürger zur Unterwerfung zu nötigen.....":

https://www.rubikon.news/artikel/die-gehorsams-probe


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:38:12 AM   
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The full coronavirus genome and the proteins it encodes are shown below.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/science/coronavirus-genome-bad-news-wrapped-in-protein.html



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:23:33 AM   
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Interesting, easy to read

The full coronavirus genome and the proteins it encodes are shown below.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/science/coronavirus-genome-bad-news-wrapped-in-protein.html




Fascinating article...although the headline is technically incorrect. Some viruses have full protein envelopes. The Corona viruses have a lipid bilayer envelope with some proteins "floating" in the lipid sea. It's basically a beach ball of fat with the water-loving surfaces pointing inside and out. Probably a hearkening back to the first organisms on the planet except that the first organisms had to have the additional cellular machinery that the virus lacks. You can't have a virus unless you first have a more complete host. The God-damned thing is so ruthlessly efficient it is hard not to evoke the concept of evil.

The virus has 30K nucleotides. Mammalian genomes have 3 billion base pairs. That is 3x10**4 vs 3x10**9. We have a 100,000 x "advantage" in nuclear material IN EVERY CELL and the damned thing has provoked a global recession.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:26:34 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:48:08 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:48:33 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:49:06 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:53:18 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 2:27:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chickenboy: Restaurants here are more or less back to full operation. The missus tells me that she still eats lunch by herself at her desk at the hospital, which has been encouraged by management. She's not going to the employee cafeteria or any of the multitude of restaurants there. I'd say that's prudent for hospital workers. For white collar workers downtown, it seems that everyone's back to eating lunch at restaurants. I don't know what's going on at factories.

I've noticed restaurant, bar, coffee shop, delivery, transportation (taxi, bus driver, motorcycle delivery), barber, etc. workers have been wearing masks since I think early February (they were definitely early adopters of mask wearing). Also, pretty much every business has hand sanitizer near the cash register or somewhere else prominent. Heck, the cabbie of the taxi I took to work this morning had hand sanitizer in the back pouch of the shotgun seat.

As far as I can tell, Starbucks is the only chain which has reduced the number of tables and seats in its outlets (maybe by 30%). Of all the restaurants and bars which I frequent, and I have been frequenting them throughout this situation, I haven't noticed anything done to reduce the proximity of one customer to another (except at Starbux). Another thing is masks come off once you sit down in such an establishment--otherwise you can't eat or drink. I haven't noticed anything different at stores, either, other than the bigger ones usually require masks to enter. Costco was business as usual expect for masks. I don't see "X" marks anywhere where you might have to queue, for instance, like the ATM picture above. People queue with maybe a bit more distance in between than normal, but not much.

We had a nationwide election on April 15, and I haven't heard of one case attributed to it. They did institute special measures at the polling stations.

One piece of Covid theater I've noticed is plastic sheets with "Cu+" stickers (i.e. copper ion) have gone up to cover elevator buttons and door handles. I have no idea if this has any positive effect. I also once saw a couple of city employees doing some sort of desultory spraying on business fronts along a sidewalk. A lot of big buildings have people who will take your temperature, either with a handheld device or a thermal imager. When I want a temp check I can visit my nearby ATM.

I saw pictures of churches on Sunday with people pretty well spread out among the pews. Our church hasn't gone back yet, probably because services were pretty packed before. I haven't talked to the pastor so I'm not sure what he has in mind. The video services are working for the time being. My daughter started pre-school a week ago. There are eight kids in her class. They all wear masks.

I believe the main reason people are pretty much back to normal in their routines is there is confidence in the contact tracing system and a belief that people who should be quarantining are quarantining. You also don't see people making a show of avoiding others on the sidewalks or in other situations. At the end of the day, the number of cases here in Seoul is minuscule on a per capita basis and people seem to have internalized that.

Sorry to hear about Singapore, but the way they cram their "guest" workers in the dormitories was asking for trouble. Taiwan is doing very, very well, and should be a beacon for the world. Too bad they're not a member of WHO. I also read the 'Nam is doing well. Japan, for all it's bad press, still has better per capita numbers than Korea. A buddy of mine who works for FedEx over there says he's been working from home for a month, but business is booming for the firm. He said their biggest problem is juggling crew schedules what with different requirements in all countries. He said pilots cannot overnight in China, for instance, or they'll get stuck, so they have to make sure they overnight at Narita.

Cheers,
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 8:37:59 AM   
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One piece of Covid theater I've noticed is plastic sheets with "Cu+" stickers (i.e. copper ion) have gone up to cover elevator buttons and door handles. I have no idea if this has any positive effect. I also once saw a couple of city employees doing some sort of desultory spraying on business fronts along a sidewalk. A lot of big buildings have people who will take your temperature, either with a handheld device or a thermal imager. When I want a temp check I can visit my nearby ATM.

Cheers,
CB


Copper material does kill the virus. Our entire Design and Engineering course is now shifting to designing products and devices or add-ons that could use this to kill the virus in general heavy use areas or devices.

They've designed phone cases, door openers, water bottles, button covers, reusable masks, eye shields, etc.

This is an article about the unique properties of copper to kill microbes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

Keevil, a microbiology researcher at the University of Southampton (U.K.), has studied the antimicrobial effects of copper for more than two decades. He has watched in his laboratory as the simple metal slew one bad bug after another. He began with the bacteria that causes Legionnaire's Disease and then turned to drug-resistant killer infections like Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). He tested viruses that caused worldwide health scares such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and the Swine Flu (H1N1) pandemic of 2009. In each case, copper contact killed the pathogen within minutes. "It just blew it apart," he says.

The first recorded use of copper as an infection-killing agent comes from Smith's Papyrus, the oldest-known medical document in history. The information therein has been ascribed to an Egyptian doctor circa 1700 B.C. but is based on information that dates back as far as 3200 B.C. Egyptians designated the ankh symbol, representing eternal life, to denote copper in hieroglyphs.

As far back as 1,600 B.C., the Chinese used copper coins as medication to treat heart and stomach pain as well as bladder diseases. The sea-faring Phoenicians inserted shavings from their bronze swords into battle wounds to prevent infection. For thousands of years, women have known that their children didn't get diarrhea as frequently when they drank from copper vessels and passed on this knowledge to subsequent generations. "You don't need a medical degree to diagnose diarrhea," Schmidt says.

And copper’s power lasts. Keevil’s team checked the old railings at New York City’s Grand Central Terminal a few years ago. "The copper is still working just like it did the day it was put in over 100 years ago," he says. "This stuff is durable and the anti-microbial effect doesn't go away."






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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 9:40:25 AM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 10:26:19 AM   
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This is an article about the unique properties of copper to kill microbes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

Thank you, Obvert, for sharing.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 11:34:49 AM   
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One piece of Covid theater I've noticed is plastic sheets with "Cu+" stickers (i.e. copper ion) have gone up to cover elevator buttons and door handles. I have no idea if this has any positive effect. I also once saw a couple of city employees doing some sort of desultory spraying on business fronts along a sidewalk. A lot of big buildings have people who will take your temperature, either with a handheld device or a thermal imager. When I want a temp check I can visit my nearby ATM.

Cheers,
CB


Copper material does kill the virus. Our entire Design and Engineering course is now shifting to designing products and devices or add-ons that could use this to kill the virus in general heavy use areas or devices.

They've designed phone cases, door openers, water bottles, button covers, reusable masks, eye shields, etc.

This is an article about the unique properties of copper to kill microbes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/copper-virus-kill-180974655/

Keevil, a microbiology researcher at the University of Southampton (U.K.), has studied the antimicrobial effects of copper for more than two decades. He has watched in his laboratory as the simple metal slew one bad bug after another. He began with the bacteria that causes Legionnaire's Disease and then turned to drug-resistant killer infections like Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). He tested viruses that caused worldwide health scares such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and the Swine Flu (H1N1) pandemic of 2009. In each case, copper contact killed the pathogen within minutes. "It just blew it apart," he says.

The first recorded use of copper as an infection-killing agent comes from Smith's Papyrus, the oldest-known medical document in history. The information therein has been ascribed to an Egyptian doctor circa 1700 B.C. but is based on information that dates back as far as 3200 B.C. Egyptians designated the ankh symbol, representing eternal life, to denote copper in hieroglyphs.

As far back as 1,600 B.C., the Chinese used copper coins as medication to treat heart and stomach pain as well as bladder diseases. The sea-faring Phoenicians inserted shavings from their bronze swords into battle wounds to prevent infection. For thousands of years, women have known that their children didn't get diarrhea as frequently when they drank from copper vessels and passed on this knowledge to subsequent generations. "You don't need a medical degree to diagnose diarrhea," Schmidt says.

And copper’s power lasts. Keevil’s team checked the old railings at New York City’s Grand Central Terminal a few years ago. "The copper is still working just like it did the day it was put in over 100 years ago," he says. "This stuff is durable and the anti-microbial effect doesn't go away."


Copper can also prevent the Egyptian flu. It can work (depending upon the style) for up to 5 days after the vector is introduced.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 11:46:10 AM   
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Here comes the run on Copper Fit and Tommy Copper compression wear.

Better get your orders in now folks!

Just like all forms of long term storage survivalist food this stuff will be back ordered for a year before we know it.



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 11:53:12 AM   
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whoever came up with the term 'excess deaths' should not ever go into a marketing or communications job. crikey.


Would

"Pearly Gate tickets"

appeal more?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:01:42 PM   
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In the days before his death, the New York man spoke often of his lost twin and the lessons humanity seemed not to have learned
100-Year-Old WWII Vet Dies of COVID-19
April 27, 2020 11:23AM


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New Yorker and 100-year-old World War II veteran Philip Kahn died of COVID-19 on April 17, just over a century after his twin brother, Samuel, succumbed to the 1918 influenza pandemic, reports Carolyn Gusoff for CBS New York.

“My grandfather Phil and his brother were pandemic bookends,” grandson Warren Zysman tells Natalie O’Neill of the New York Post. “He knew the devastation of the first one—and he told me, ‘Warren, my boy, history repeats itself.'”


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wwii-veteran-dies-covid-19-100-years-after-flu-pandemic-killed-his-twin-brother-180974752/

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:15:46 PM   
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https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-death-ruputured-heart.html


"An autopsy of the remains from the first known COVID-19 death in the U.S. has revealed that the person died from a ruptured heart triggered by the virus's attack, according to news reports.

The 57-year-old woman, Patricia Dowd of San Jose, California, died at home on Feb. 6 after experiencing flu-like symptoms, according to The Mercury News. Recently, an investigation into her death found that Dowd was actually infected with the new coronavirus, meaning that U.S. COVID-19 deaths had occurred weeks earlier than thought.

Dowd's death was initially thought to be the result of a heart attack. But now, an autopsy report shows that the virus had spread to Dowd's heart muscle, and the viral infection caused a valve in her heart to rupture, The Mercury News reported."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:16:55 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:17:27 PM   
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Interesting, easy to read

The full coronavirus genome and the proteins it encodes are shown below.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/science/coronavirus-genome-bad-news-wrapped-in-protein.html




Fascinating article...although the headline is technically incorrect. Some viruses have full protein envelopes. The Corona viruses have a lipid bilayer envelope with some proteins "floating" in the lipid sea. It's basically a beach ball of fat with the water-loving surfaces pointing inside and out. Probably a hearkening back to the first organisms on the planet except that the first organisms had to have the additional cellular machinery that the virus lacks. You can't have a virus unless you first have a more complete host. The God-damned thing is so ruthlessly efficient it is hard not to evoke the concept of evil.

The virus has 30K nucleotides. Mammalian genomes have 3 billion base pairs. That is 3x10**4 vs 3x10**9. We have a 100,000 x "advantage" in nuclear material IN EVERY CELL and the damned thing has provoked a global recession.





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:19:35 PM   
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Mine are mostly short medium types - and clearly are not hunting dogs.


I see all the pillows, where are the dogs?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:23:39 PM   
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Researchers sift through data to compare nations’ vastly different containment measures.
27 April 2020


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01248-1


"The trackers lay bare the vast range of policies deployed in different nations. The Vienna team has captured details of around 170 interventions in 52 countries, ranging from small measures such as floor stickers that mark a two-metre separation to major, restrictive policies such as school closures. They are also following some countries’ recent efforts to restart daily life and measures that go with them, including making the wearing of face masks mandatory. "

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:41:04 PM   
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Updated:27 April 2020


https://www.thelocal.se/20200427/sweden-publishes-new-statistics-on-coronavirus-death-toll



"These figures show that up until April 23rd, around 1,700 deaths (1,684) occurred in Sweden where Covid-19 was the cause of death. Around 90 percent of the deceased were aged over 70, just one percent were younger than 50, and the majority had one or more known risk factors."



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 12:56:08 PM   
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Coronavirus “Why are so many healthcare workers dying?”
27 April 2020

https://williambowles.info/2020/04/27/coronavirus-fact-check-4-why-are-so-many-healthcare-workers-dying/



"Media reports paint a picture of healthcare workers being hit very hard by the pandemic, but the statistics suggest otherwise"

"The deaths of doctors, nurses and other medical workers has been a major talking point since the pandemic began.

It started in Italy, where a website was set up listing the deaths of doctors who “died on the frontlines”.

Despite being billed as “frontline” doctors, fifteen of the names are dentists. There are also surgeons, psychiatrists, paediatricians and other specialists who obviously would not have been “on the frontlines” treating Covid19 patients."

"When Swiss Propaganda Research noted that many of them were retired, and that average age was over sixty-nine, the dates of birth were removed."

https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/27/coronavirus-fact-check-4-why-are-so-many-healthcare-workers-dying/



From the off-guardian report on NHS workers:

Finally, let’s put these numbers in some context:

The NHS is the biggest single employer in the UK. NHS England, NHS Scotland and NHS Wales employ roughly 1.5 million people (Wikipedia estimates over 1.7 million). That’s over 4% of the 38 million working-age adults, or 2.5% of the entire population of the UK.

As such, you would expect roughly 2.5% of the Covid19 victims to be NHS employees (assuming proportionate distribution).

However, the 106 NHS employees represent only 0.58% of the UK’s 18,200 total Covid19 casualties as of April 22nd.

In summary: In direct contradiction of the media coverage, healthcare workers are NOT being disproportionately affected by Covid19. They are actually substantially under-represented.


This is interesting.The fact-checker needs some fact checking though. It omits ages when talking about the NHS who have died. Many have been very young.

This is a study of NHS workers who have died. It omitted those retired or those not working currently for other reasons.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/exclusive-deaths-of-nhs-staff-from-covid-19-analysed/7027471.article

As shown in the chart below, there are unusually high ranges of mortality for middle and younger age groups. Working aged people are obviously more often under 70, so you'd likely see more in this range, but I think this is the surprising part not fleshed out by the off-guardian report. You'd really also have to look at ages of people working in the NHS.

UK mortality figures show 12.7% of deaths are in the under 65 age group. So although it's a low percentage of the total UK figures, it's actually a higher percentage, about 4%, of the total deaths for under 65 age groups.

I'd be very curious to see US stats on this and those form Italy and elsewhere. Does virus load at time of infection play a part? Is it stress and low immune system function that puts more younger people at risk in healthcare? What is it?

As a teacher I could be going back in at some point to a high virus load environment without PPE (if infections break out in the teen population and are largely asymptomatic) and I for one would like to know more.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:02:46 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:04:45 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:06:15 PM   
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I had a copper roof put on the barn a few years ago - should I go sunbathe on it?????


Just rub it really hard and hope some comes off onto your hands.

Or cut a few finger pads out of it and tape them on for trips to the ATM and grocery store.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/28/2020 1:14:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: fcooke

whoever came up with the term 'excess deaths' should not ever go into a marketing or communications job. crikey.


Would

"Pearly Gate tickets"

appeal more?

Alfred



LMAO - very amusing.

I have a self developed expression (?? perhaps or found / heard in the past)

"I feel sad that I will not see my family in heaven in the afterlife - but its good to know I will have all my close friends with me none the less "

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A People that values its privileges above it's principles will soon loose both. Dwight D Eisenhower.

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