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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 3:41:02 PM   
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https://weather.com/health/coronavirus/news/2020-05-03-coronavirus-daily-updates-covid-19-social-distancing


"“We’re looking at the prospect that this may be a persistent spread,” he said, with a steady stream through the summer of 20,000 to 30,000 new cases a day that result in 1,000 deaths a day."


"And then you can see this slow simmer explode into a new epidemic or large outbreaks."





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 3:46:28 PM   
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"Roche announced that its test is 100% accurate at detecting coronavirus antibodies and 99.8% accurate at ruling out the presence of those antibodies, meaning only one in 500 tests will get a false positive. Antibody tests use blood samples to assess whether a person had been previously infected, so they’re useful to determine the true spread of coronavirus. "

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 3:55:29 PM   
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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-report-warns-potential-war-us-over-coronavirus-backlash


"An internal report presented to Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top leaders concludes that global anti-China sentiment is at a level not seen since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and recommends preparing for a worst-case scenario of armed conflict with the United States, according to Reuters, citing people familiar with the content of the document."


"And while the world focuses on China's response to the virus, Australia - where two scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted coronavirus experiments overseas - has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of COVID-19, while the so-called 'five eyes' Western intelligence agencies explore whether coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab - while operating under the assumption that it's a non-modified virus of natural origin."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:14:26 PM   
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China Warns Of Possible Armed Conflict With US Over Coronavirus Backlash
Mon, 05/04/2020

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/chinese-report-warns-potential-war-us-over-coronavirus-backlash


"An internal report presented to Chinese President Xi Jinping and other top leaders concludes that global anti-China sentiment is at a level not seen since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, and recommends preparing for a worst-case scenario of armed conflict with the United States, according to Reuters, citing people familiar with the content of the document."


"And while the world focuses on China's response to the virus, Australia - where two scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology conducted coronavirus experiments overseas - has called for an international investigation into the origins and spread of COVID-19, while the so-called 'five eyes' Western intelligence agencies explore whether coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab - while operating under the assumption that it's a non-modified virus of natural origin."


Maybe the CCP is getting scared.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:18:13 PM   
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Correct Coronavirus NUMBERS will never be known and will be "area fire". Results may give a better picture than numbers.
After a surge in Annual Death Averages the number may drop due to people who died months earlier due to CoVid19.

This repost of a letter written to CDC from

Kenneth Stoller
International Hyperbaric Medical Association

show how "US data on influenza deaths are false and misleading."


https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc


Very interesting read. Again, profit seems an important factor in how medical decisions are made.

At the 2004 "National Influenza Vaccine Summit," co-sponsored by CDC and the American Medical Association, Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at the NIP, spoke on using the media to boost demand for the vaccine. One step of a "Seven-Step `Recipe' for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) Vaccination" occurs when "medical experts and public health authorities publicly...state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)—and urge influenza vaccination" (www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/36/2004_flu_nowak.pdf).

Another step entails "continued reports...that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people, helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza." Preceding the summit, demand had been low early into the 2003 flu season. "At that point, the manufacturers were telling us that they weren't receiving a lot of orders for vaccine for use in November or even December," recalled Dr Nowak on National Public Radio. "It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot."

If flu is in fact not a major cause of death, this public relations approach is surely exaggerated. Moreover, by arbitrarily linking flu with pneumonia, current data are statistically biased. Until corrected and until unbiased statistics are developed, the chances for sound discussion and public health policy are limited.

I am a pediatrician and this propaganda affects my practice directly.

Kenneth Stoller
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:21:19 PM   
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14 mins ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/coronavirus-live-updates-trump-administration-models-predict-near-doubling-of-daily-death-toll-by-june/ar-BB13zfhE

"As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now."


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:24:29 PM   
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DAN BLATHER, editor-in-chief of CBS News was FIRED for making up a story on Bush 43 because he had a grudge against Bush 41 (among other things).

He was undone because the fake document used a print font not even invented when the letter was supposed to be written. Then, when he is ordered to retract he goes on air and says "CBS News is unable to confirm the accuracy of this letter"

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

NBC shelved stories on Weinstein because he was a Clinton donor.

CNN anchors literally cried on air when Trump won.

CNN literally conspired with the Obama DNI to give a briefing to Trump on the Pee Dossier so they could run with the story (which everyone knew was Russian gossip)

MSNBC??? What can you say?

The Editor of the NYT wrote an opinion piece to HIS OWN STAFF after 2106 asking them to be more "balanced". Like he asleep the whole time?

BTW, the Washington Press Corps KNEW that JFK had a full-time procurer of young females


While the threats to global media freedom are real and concerning in their own right, their impact on the state of democracy is what makes them truly dangerous.


https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-and-media/2019/media-freedom-downward-spiral

The fundamental right to seek and disseminate information through an independent press is under attack, and part of the assault has come from an unexpected source. Elected leaders in many democracies, who should be press freedom’s staunchest defenders, have made explicit attempts to silence critical media voices and strengthen outlets that serve up favorable coverage. The trend is linked to a global decline in democracy itself: The erosion of press freedom is both a symptom of and a contributor to the breakdown of other democratic institutions and principles, a fact that makes it especially alarming.

According to Freedom House’s Freedom in the World data, media freedom has been deteriorating around the world over the past decade, with new forms of repression taking hold in open societies and authoritarian states alike. The trend is most acute in Europe, previously a bastion of well-established freedoms, and in Eurasia and the Middle East, where many of the world’s worst dictatorships are concentrated. If democratic powers cease to support media independence at home and impose no consequences for its restriction abroad, the free press corps could be in danger of virtual extinction.

It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years?

The piece about the NY Times in 2016 is actually quite telling. To me that says there is a real intent on the part of the best journalism to self-regulate and call out non-objective reporting. Good on him. Takes courage to do that. Thanks for mentioning.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:25:29 PM   
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3 hrs ago



https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/costco-limiting-how-much-meat-you-can-buy-as-food-shortage-looms/ar-BB13zHED?li=BBnbfcL



"Growing concern over a looming meat shortage is having real-world consequences as two major grocery chains are instituting a limit on the amount that customers can purchase. National retail giant Costco recently announced a quota on how much fresh meat each shopper can by and several Kroger supermarkets locations have instituted a similar policy."


" The United States has got to have a food supply we can depend on for national security. If people don't have food, we're going to have riots."

This is why we will likely be seeing less beef, pork, and chicken in our local grocers' meat case and why the rationing of meat will likely extend to other grocery chains as well."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:28:15 PM   
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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2017sum.pdf




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:44:17 PM   
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It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years?


You can go a lot further back than 60 years to report on fraudulent news in the US. "Where we have one newspaper that does good, I think we have fifty that do harm." Mark Twain.

Read Bias, or any number of other books on press accuracy and it has only gotten worse since he wrote it in 2001.

https://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0060520841

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 4:52:41 PM   
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It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years?

The piece about the NY Times in 2016 is actually quite telling. To me that says there is a real intent on the part of the best journalism to self-regulate and call out non-objective reporting. Good on him. Takes courage to do that. Thanks for mentioning.


"Unsubstantiated"???? CBS FIRED Dan Rather at the height of his commercial success. Why do you think THAT happened? The alleged National Guard letter was proven forgery. How else could you have a font not invented for two decades after the letter was allegedly written??? You have blinders on, man.

As for 50 years...well, every example except JFK was from the last three Presidencies. I merely included JFK as an example of egregious press whitewashing.

As for the NYT, one shouldn't need the Editor writing an apology piece AFTER a two year election cycle telling his own journalists to be more unbiased. Objectivity is a prime ethical duty. They all took an ethics class. The piece was ONLY written because Trump won. He needed to claw back some credibility.His own readers were angry at him for failing to warn them. It's pointless. You say there are no examples I cite a few in a two minute post from memory and you call the firing of Dan Rather "unsubstantiated". Guess what there is no film of the Titanic hitting the iceberg either.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:03:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another really good report from Italy today (195 deaths). It's up a bit from yesterday, but significantly down over previous reports.

UK report is 288, down from yesterday and way down from the previous high levels.

Denmark, one of the first to begin easing countermeasures, continues to show a gradual decline in new cases and stable (but relatively low) mortality.

Austria, which also eased, has had marked declines in cases and mortalities. These may be significant, as there were some reports last week of "flare ups" that might require renewed countermeasures. That doesn't appear to be the case, at least on a national basis. (There might be local areas that require some attention.)

With the easing of countermeasures in the US beginning about 10 days ago, there are predictions of flare-ups etc. We should know pretty soon if that's going to be an issue. And, if it is, we'll then see if responses are adequate and if medical capacity becomes too stretched. On the other hand, if the results continue favorably, further easing will ensue.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:05:23 PM   
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What those making the push back didn't seem to grasp is that the very existence of Fox News IS the proof. Fox News, and Briebart and Daily Wire and and many other conservative bent news organizations only came into existence as push back against the prevalent liberal bias that was overwhelming at the time.

Those organizations would never have come into existence, if not for the liberal bias they exist to push back against.

Do we have more of a balance now, sure we do. But a large majority of mainstream news organizations still exhibit a very heavy liberal bias. It's a shame we get one colored view from one side and another colored view from the other, with almost no one seemingly able to give us an uncolored view.

Some will continue to keep their heads buried in the sand in denial. Nothing can be done about them and it's a waste of effort engaging them. Moving on was the best choice CR could have made. You should do the same Cap.

Constantly being challenged to prove the sky is blue gets tedious very quickly......

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:32:27 PM   
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French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December
Old samples from 24 pneumonia patients who tested negative for flu are retested


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested

Interesting in the light of those influenza statistics from NYC from a day or so back - from memory the numbers for December were c.3-4 times higher than those from previous years??

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:37:15 PM   
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Cats and dogs ‘thrown from tower blocks’ in China

Sounds like something out of Judge Dredd or The Raid...

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:38:50 PM   
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French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December
Old samples from 24 pneumonia patients who tested negative for flu are retested


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested

Interesting in the light of those influenza statistics from NYC from a day or so back - from memory the numbers for December were c.3-4 times higher than those from previous years??


Whoa! That is interesting. Have to be careful because they are probably just testing for RNA and a tiny contamination can be amplified with the polymerase technique.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 5:56:14 PM   
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Isn't the fact that you know about that due to journalism reporting it? You're making the case yourself.



Not true, I have to hunt to find this reporting. Plus there are random acts of journalism being committed. Two that come to mind are Atkinson (lost her job because of it) and Herridge currently. Certainly the rise of the Drudge Report was accomplished by breaking stories that the media wouldn't run.



The Drudge Report is media. What media "won't run" is up for much debate though. Firstly, what is the definition of media to you? Secondly, this implies some collusion between rival independent businesses striving for a higher market share. Thirdly, how you back that up with some kind of objective evidence seems pretty tough.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 6:32:54 PM   
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It's interesting you've included a handful of unsubstantiated reports over the past, what, 60 years?

The piece about the NY Times in 2016 is actually quite telling. To me that says there is a real intent on the part of the best journalism to self-regulate and call out non-objective reporting. Good on him. Takes courage to do that. Thanks for mentioning.


"Unsubstantiated"???? CBS FIRED Dan Rather at the height of his commercial success. Why do you think THAT happened? The alleged National Guard letter was proven forgery. How else could you have a font not invented for two decades after the letter was allegedly written??? You have blinders on, man.

As for 50 years...well, every example except JFK was from the last three Presidencies. I merely included JFK as an example of egregious press whitewashing.

As for the NYT, one shouldn't need the Editor writing an apology piece AFTER a two year election cycle telling his own journalists to be more unbiased. Objectivity is a prime ethical duty. They all took an ethics class. The piece was ONLY written because Trump won. He needed to claw back some credibility.His own readers were angry at him for failing to warn them. It's pointless. You say there are no examples I cite a few in a two minute post from memory and you call the firing of Dan Rather "unsubstantiated". Guess what there is no film of the Titanic hitting the iceberg either.


I don't really care what indescretions, firings or other difficulties you bring up. These exist in every profession. I simply commented that your interest in this topic seems to go way back.

Journalism is a daily activity. I don't stop flying planes just because a few crash here and there. I don't stop driving cars, (although with the fatality and injury rates, maybe I should?), and I don't stop looking for fairly objective reporting even when there are some controversies, some bias and some difficulties understanding which is which.

Freedom of the Press is not diminished by these issues, but since they have all (apparently) come to light, that is actually quite good. Critique is fine. The practice and institution of journalism is much bigger than a few scandals, and much more important.

Would you rather not have it at all?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 6:35:55 PM   
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Isn't the fact that you know about that due to journalism reporting it? You're making the case yourself.



Not true, I have to hunt to find this reporting. Plus there are random acts of journalism being committed. Two that come to mind are Atkinson (lost her job because of it) and Herridge currently. Certainly the rise of the Drudge Report was accomplished by breaking stories that the media wouldn't run.



The Drudge Report is media. What media "won't run" is up for much debate though. Firstly, what is the definition of media to you? Secondly, this implies some collusion between rival independent businesses striving for a higher market share. Thirdly, how you back that up with some kind of objective evidence seems pretty tough.


I am old enough that I consider media to be the major networks and newspapers. The corporate media so to speak. And yes they do collude to a huge degree even to using the same buzzwords over and over again.



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 7:19:27 PM   
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Isn't the fact that you know about that due to journalism reporting it? You're making the case yourself.



Not true, I have to hunt to find this reporting. Plus there are random acts of journalism being committed. Two that come to mind are Atkinson (lost her job because of it) and Herridge currently. Certainly the rise of the Drudge Report was accomplished by breaking stories that the media wouldn't run.



The Drudge Report is media. What media "won't run" is up for much debate though. Firstly, what is the definition of media to you? Secondly, this implies some collusion between rival independent businesses striving for a higher market share. Thirdly, how you back that up with some kind of objective evidence seems pretty tough.


I am old enough that I consider media to be the major networks and newspapers. The corporate media so to speak. And yes they do collude to a huge degree even to using the same buzzwords over and over again.


Most here use the word media and predominantly give examples based on major sources that either began as or most often are associated with US TV networks.

I haven't lived in the US for over a decade (2007) and I didn't watch TV news when I did since about the late 80s.

I read. I read from may sources. I look to find references and cross reference when I can, and now I even have several sources that rate journalistic sources for accuracy and reliability around a number of factors. I believe journalism is needed now more than ever to counter the false reports that paper all over social media and from our (sometimes) trusted figures.

Without good journalism, a free press, we veer toward authoritarianism. It's very surprising to hear so much critique of it here. I hope most just mean they only like the sources they trust.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 7:35:03 PM   
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French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December
Old samples from 24 pneumonia patients who tested negative for flu are retested


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/french-hospital-discovers-covid-19-case-december-retested

Interesting in the light of those influenza statistics from NYC from a day or so back - from memory the numbers for December were c.3-4 times higher than those from previous years??


This is revelatory. Wow.

So it was in France in December? If true ...

Then I'm betting it was also in Italy, the UK, and almost assuredly, NYC. Now have another look at those flu numbers Lowpe posted a day or two ago.

Also, this is before we really even knew what was going on in China.

I wonder how much before November it was moving through Wuhan? It's been estimated to have all kicked off in November. I'm guessing now it was earlier than that.

It'll be interesting if other countries can source samples from "flu/pneumonia" cases from December and November, even.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 7:53:01 PM   
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May 03, 2020


https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2020/05/secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-says-enormous-evidence-for-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-origin.html


"WASHINGTON — U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo said “enormous evidence” shows the novel coronavirus outbreak began in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, and that Beijing has refused to give international scientists access to learn what happened.

“I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” Pompeo said on ABC’s “This Week,” broadcast Sunday. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.”"

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:02:37 PM   
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https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/12/06/influenza-flu-season-off-to-an-early-start-16-flu-related-deaths-already-in-california/

Flu Season Off To An Early Start; 16 Flu-Related Deaths Already In California

I also think the very first Stanford study alluded pretty heavily to the virus being in California around December.

It mentions the 2003 flu season, I remember that well as my kids got sick and were never tested for influenza but were reported for having influenza. I can remember a discussion with the Doctor at the time about statistical accuracy. "In my medical opinion they have the flu..." I said "fair enough."

I have had so much more life experience with the medical system since then. I fear I am no longer an easy patient. But I do pay promptly.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:18:56 PM   
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says ‘enormous evidence’ for Wuhan lab coronavirus origin
May 03, 2020


https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2020/05/secretary-of-state-mike-pompeo-says-enormous-evidence-for-wuhan-lab-coronavirus-origin.html


"WASHINGTON — U.S. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo said “enormous evidence” shows the novel coronavirus outbreak began in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, and that Beijing has refused to give international scientists access to learn what happened.

“I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan,” Pompeo said on ABC’s “This Week,” broadcast Sunday. “These are not the first times that we’ve had a world exposed to viruses as a result of failures in a Chinese lab.”"


Interesting. You picked this from The Oregonian, my hometown rag.

A headline search showed a story on this ran in virtually every paper.

I prefer the take of the Guardian. It shows some real teeth instead of simply reporting the quote, making sure to mention he did not provide any of the evidence he claimed he had seen and also showing the part where he got a bit confused about whether the virus was manmade in origin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/mike-pompeo-donald-trump-coronavirus-chinese-laboratory


The US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, claimed on Sunday there is “enormous evidence” the coronavirus outbreak originated in a Chinese laboratory – but did not provide any of the alleged evidence.

Pompeo’s claims, made in an interview with ABC’s This Week, represented an escalation in rhetoric. He had previously said the US was looking into the possibility the virus came from a lab in Wuhan, China.

On Sunday, Pompeo said: “There is enormous evidence that that’s where this began,” later adding: “I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan.”

At one point, the secretary of state appeared confused over whether he was claiming the Sars-CoV-2 virus (which causes the Covid-19 disease) was deliberately engineered or escaped as the result of a lab accident.

“Look, the best experts so far seem to think it was manmade. I have no reason to disbelieve that at this point,” he said.

But when he was reminded that US intelligence had issued a formal statement noting the opposite – that the scientific consensus was that the virus was not manmade or genetically modified – Pompeo replied: “That’s right. I agree with that.”



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:29:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Here is a Dec 6th article from San Francisco about the Flu...

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/12/06/influenza-flu-season-off-to-an-early-start-16-flu-related-deaths-already-in-california/

Flu Season Off To An Early Start; 16 Flu-Related Deaths Already In California

I also think the very first Stanford study alluded pretty heavily to the virus being in California around December.

It mentions the 2003 flu season, I remember that well as my kids got sick and were never tested for influenza but were reported for having influenza. I can remember a discussion with the Doctor at the time about statistical accuracy. "In my medical opinion they have the flu..." I said "fair enough."

I have had so much more life experience with the medical system since then. I fear I am no longer an easy patient. But I do pay promptly.


I remember that study. I think it also traced the genome and based on some way of understanding the difference between the genetic evidence form China and the type found in the states, made an estimate it was both more prevalent in the US and in the US much longer than known in WA.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:31:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys-a quick update regarding my aunt (and Godmother) in Quebec:

After being laid low for two days last week, she is now afebrile and taking food and water. She does not have respiratory signs of disease to speak of, although she is getting passive oxygen supplementation just in case. Tough old bird just may beat this thing.

She should be being moved back out of hospital again into the transition facility. After 14 days, she will be tested (twice) and, if negative, returned to her nursing home.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:34:04 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:40:37 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:47:51 PM   
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Hey guys-a quick update regarding my aunt (and Godmother) in Quebec:

After being laid low for two days last week, she is now afebrile and taking food and water. She does not have respiratory signs of disease to speak of, although she is getting passive oxygen supplementation just in case. Tough old bird just may beat this thing.

She should be being moved back out of hospital again into the transition facility. After 14 days, she will be tested (twice) and, if negative, returned to her nursing home.


Good news!

We have a 99 year old woman treat positive for Covid at my parents home. She is doing well, but I don't know the treatment of course. She tested positive four to five days ago.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 5/4/2020 8:48:57 PM   
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