Please can I answer! :-) Says right on the pic. SMS Goeben which was donated by the Kaiser to Turkey in 1914. This was instrumental in bringing Turkey into WW1 on the German side. The British had just seized a battleship they were building on behalf of Turkey so the gift went a long way to negate a decade of patient diplomacy by the Foreign Office. An example of tactical expediency leading to strategic misfortune, if one were ever needed :-)
She was the last operational dreadnought type until scrapped in the 70s.
The retired HMS Centurion fitted with dummy turrets etc to masquerade as the HMS Anson?
Nope....I intentionally picked a very difficult ship. If this group can get it, not sure I can come up with something harder!!!
It's harder because you can't see all the turrets and guns due to the coverings
I will at least give a timeframe; that photo was taken in 1945
That forward rangefinder appears to be in a sub-optimal position - s/b higher up for more visibility. I think it is a Russian cruiser like Sverdlov.
It is not a Russian cruiser. I'll give more hints if everyone is stumped. Also, I did say this picture was taken in 1945. It was August of 1945. So it's not a Sverdlov, as those were post ww2
It's tough to get, I wouldn't get it if I didn't know!!!
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The retired HMS Centurion fitted with dummy turrets etc to masquerade as the HMS Anson?
Nope....I intentionally picked a very difficult ship. If this group can get it, not sure I can come up with something harder!!!
It's harder because you can't see all the turrets and guns due to the coverings
I will at least give a timeframe; that photo was taken in 1945
That forward rangefinder appears to be in a sub-optimal position - s/b higher up for more visibility. I think it is a Russian cruiser like Sverdlov.
It is not a Russian cruiser. I'll give more hints if everyone is stumped. Also, I did say this picture was taken in 1945. It was August of 1945. So it's not a Sverdlov, as those were post ww2
It's tough to get, I wouldn't get it if I didn't know!!!
Didn't notice the 1945 comment. The widely spaced funnels suggest CL Belfast.
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Visiting HMS Belfast is a good use of a couple of hours if you are on the south bank of the Thames. You can then hit the Imperial War Museum. The current version is more suited to the general population than we old geezers. But the Holocoust exhibit will likely need you to visit a pub afterwards.
ARA La Argetina is correct! Photo taken at New Orleans on August 8, 1945....Argentina had joined the Allies in March, so I suppose she was in New Orleans for a refit
She was a modified Arethusa-class, lengthened to support additional berthing for training cadets
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ARA La Argetina is correct! Photo taken at New Orleans on August 8, 1945....Argentina had joined the Allies in March, so I suppose she was in New Orleans for a refit
She was a modified Arethusa-class, lengthened to support additional berthing for training cadets
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...so nothing like most Royal Navy cruisers of the time M_M .... I smell a rat
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An observation: The picture of the Randolph could not have been taken in 1945. The national insignia on the Bearcat wings include red stripes on the white horizontal bars - a revision that was not authorized until January 1947.
P.S. I never would have figured out either ship. Congrats to those who did.
ARA La Argetina is correct! Photo taken at New Orleans on August 8, 1945....Argentina had joined the Allies in March, so I suppose she was in New Orleans for a refit
She was a modified Arethusa-class, lengthened to support additional berthing for training cadets
warspite1
...so nothing like most Royal Navy cruisers of the time M_M .... I smell a rat
Wonderful thing, the internet
In fairness it is a good reminder to give pilots some slack when they misidentify ships.
ARA La Argetina is correct! Photo taken at New Orleans on August 8, 1945....Argentina had joined the Allies in March, so I suppose she was in New Orleans for a refit
She was a modified Arethusa-class, lengthened to support additional berthing for training cadets
warspite1
...so nothing like most Royal Navy cruisers of the time M_M .... I smell a rat
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ARA La Argentina
Built by the British, and does show very similar hull and turret layout. The superstructure different though.
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ARA La Argetina is correct! Photo taken at New Orleans on August 8, 1945....Argentina had joined the Allies in March, so I suppose she was in New Orleans for a refit
She was a modified Arethusa-class, lengthened to support additional berthing for training cadets
warspite1
...so nothing like most Royal Navy cruisers of the time M_M .... I smell a rat
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ARA La Argentina
Built by the British, and does show very similar hull and turret layout. The superstructure different though.
warspite1
Sorry I disagree. The Arethusas were an experiment in making the smallest practical cruiser. The three turrets alone mean that the class are dissimilar to RN cruisers of the time. Only during the war did three turrets become the vogue again in order to make room for other weaponry.
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MM is right, if you blow the photo up a bit, you can make out the insignia on the wings of the Walrus. It's an anchor, unusual but it was what the Argentine Navy used on their aircraft
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MM is right, if you blow the photo up a bit, you can make out the insignia on the wings of the Walrus. It's an anchor, unusual but it was what the Argentine Navy used on their aircraft
warspite1
I'm not saying he isn't or it isn't. I am simply saying that deducing this was La Argentina from the fact that all RN CL of the period looked similar is....er... how can I put it?..... Well I sure as hell wouldn't put money on that being the reason
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MM is right, if you blow the photo up a bit, you can make out the insignia on the wings of the Walrus. It's an anchor, unusual but it was what the Argentine Navy used on their aircraft
warspite1
I'm not saying he isn't or it isn't. I am simply saying that deducing this was La Argentina from the fact that all RN CL of the period looked similar is....er... how can I put it?..... Well I sure as hell wouldn't put money on that being the reason
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An observation: The picture of the Randolph could not have been taken in 1945. The national insignia on the Bearcat wings include red stripes on the white horizontal bars - a revision that was not authorized until January 1947.
P.S. I never would have figured out either ship. Congrats to those who did.
CV-32 USS USS Leyte visited Istanbul with CVG-7 using the "L" tailcode.
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MM is right, if you blow the photo up a bit, you can make out the insignia on the wings of the Walrus. It's an anchor, unusual but it was what the Argentine Navy used on their aircraft
warspite1
I'm not saying he isn't or it isn't. I am simply saying that deducing this was La Argentina from the fact that all RN CL of the period looked similar is....er... how can I put it?..... Well I sure as hell wouldn't put money on that being the reason
I bet you're fun at the pub quiz.
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WWII history doesn't tend to feature in pub quizzes
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MM is right, if you blow the photo up a bit, you can make out the insignia on the wings of the Walrus. It's an anchor, unusual but it was what the Argentine Navy used on their aircraft
warspite1
I'm not saying he isn't or it isn't. I am simply saying that deducing this was La Argentina from the fact that all RN CL of the period looked similar is....er... how can I put it?..... Well I sure as hell wouldn't put money on that being the reason
I bet you're fun at the pub quiz.
warspite1
WWII history doesn't tend to feature in pub quizzes
I ended up in an argument with the host of a pub quiz that "Siam" was an acceptable response to countries with just 4 letters in their name. AE wouldn't lie to me.
An observation: The picture of the Randolph could not have been taken in 1945. The national insignia on the Bearcat wings include red stripes on the white horizontal bars - a revision that was not authorized until January 1947.
P.S. I never would have figured out either ship. Congrats to those who did.
Good point, but I dont see Leyte going to the Med until too late, assuming the date on the photo is correct. I have seen a photo of Randolph with a front on photo of a Bearcat with a small "20" on the front of the cowling, closest I could get. (And I bet there were hundreds with the same markings) There are similar photos of Yavuz at the time of the visit by Missouri but no CV are mentioned in the TF.
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