Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Frostwave

Hamlet dies ?!?!?!?!
Spoiler alert that ****

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ORIGINAL: Vic

[...] I am thinking in the direction of allowing some "pull" systems to work in tandem with the current systems to make it easier if you do not want to micro-manage.[...]

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ORIGINAL: DeltaV112

I find it rather insulting that you think that the only reason someone could want the logistics system changed is "because they can't figure it out". I figured the logistics system out quite well, but I hated actually managing it. Adding traffic signs all over conquered territory and checking every turn to make sure that there wasn't a road I was missing or new asset, adjusting the partial signs to optimize throughput down the primary logistical routes, doing the math on how much extra capacity I would need for an offensive and where to put supply bases and truck stations to extend range, it was all perfectly comprehensible and the least fun part of the game.

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ORIGINAL: Nemo84
The changes being requested in the logistics thread are merely aimed at removing brainless busywork. Being forced to place a traffic sign on every road leading to a lvl.1 farm is not a deep strategic decision.

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ORIGINAL: DeltaV112

I find it rather insulting that you think that the only reason someone could want the logistics system changed is "because they can't figure it out". I figured the logistics system out quite well, but I hated actually managing it. Adding traffic signs all over conquered territory and checking every turn to make sure that there wasn't a road I was missing or new asset, adjusting the partial signs to optimize throughput down the primary logistical routes, doing the math on how much extra capacity I would need for an offensive and where to put supply bases and truck stations to extend range, it was all perfectly comprehensible and the least fun part of the game.

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ORIGINAL: tortugapower

I don't have time to read "Logistics is a mess" thread. However, in this thread which is much younger (and easier/quicker to read), I will plop down my two cents:

1. Logistics system as-is is very opaque. Forgive the ego, but I consider myself decent-to-advanced at understanding wargames, and I don't understand it. This is ultimately a design decision, but that means the game -- which has great appeal so far to a widespread group, beyond hardcore wargamers -- likely won't be understood by newcomers, who will get frustrated and stop playing. (I've already seen this happening.)

2. There's probably changes that can be made that automate things and still allow people to override manually (traffic signals comes to mind). This is also a design decision, and also going to be more inclusive to non-hardcore wargamers if done. (I'm not accounting for the dev time for this, which might be unrealistic.)

On design decisions I defer to Vic, who has already made many games I love.

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ORIGINAL: Destragon

If those civilian buildings would AUTOMATICALLY place a traffic sign when they get built, it would be a huge improvement.

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ORIGINAL: btonasse

Enough food in SHQ's inventory? Check.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

For 1, there is this:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4834257
I fully agree it needs more Documentation/expalantion.

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ORIGINAL: Falke

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ORIGINAL: btonasse

Enough food in SHQ's inventory? Check.

Wrong, there was not enough food in the SHQ when it gets sent to the Units.

SHQ > Units is before
Zone > SHQ

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ORIGINAL: btonasse

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ORIGINAL: Falke

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ORIGINAL: btonasse

Enough food in SHQ's inventory? Check.

Wrong, there was not enough food in the SHQ when it gets sent to the Units.

SHQ > Units is before
Zone > SHQ

Like I said: "I'm sure there's a very good reason why more food wasn't delivered to those units". Thank you for both providing the reason and demonstrating my point. Nothing in the interface makes that clear. Quite the contrary, the interface hides information (actually it provides that information, but always 1 turn off, which makes no sense, as it's not very useful to only be informed of stuff after the fact).

Now if I want to know if my units will receive supplies the following turn? Unless absolutely nothing changes in terms of how many supplies troops/zones need, the only way to know for sure is to calculate everything, because if I build one new formation or start building/complete an asset, nothing in the interface will give me a preview of how much stuff I will need to move around to satisfy the demand.

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ORIGINAL: shi4stone

i love how i feel like playing transport tycoon in this game. the only grip on the logistics is when private economy build a farm next to my artery road, and me not aware losing half of the capacity to that... so i have to check the preview every turn, not a big deal, but maybe a notification of newly construct asset outside connected towns could be good.

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ORIGINAL: Destragon

The system does have some actual issues. I wrote about that stuff here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4828365
It's pretty much just about how micromanagement heavy the traffic sign system is.
Number 4 in my post there is probably annoying me the most while playing. I keep having to double check my road network to make sure that some civilians didn't suddenly build a mine somewhere, which causes half the logistics, which were heading to some important front, to be diverted and wasted, without giving you any notification or warning beforehand.
If those civilian buildings would AUTOMATICALLY place a traffic sign when they get built, it would be a huge improvement.

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ORIGINAL: Nemo84
The logistics system is rather simple to figure out compared to some other wargames (which is a good thing). The changes being requested in the logistics thread are merely aimed at removing brainless busywork. Being forced to place a traffic sign on every road leading to a lvl.1 farm is not a deep strategic decision.