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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

There was some talk of air conditioning earlier on this thread. I know of one case in Korea early on where a Covid carrier was sitting near an upright air con unit at a restaurant and spread it to other patrons in the air con's path.

As I've mentioned before, I think there's only so long you can keep people cooped up. Luckily, here in Korea people did a lot of self-quarantining early on. People have made their own decisions as businesses, with very few exceptions, have not been been forced to shut down. By now, however, people are out in force. I doubt there are many people sheltering-in-place. Thankfully mask wearing is not a political issue and people just do it. You are required to wear one on public transport, which includes taxis, but that's about it for government requirements. We now have about 50 new cases a day (we were once down to about 6), but I think that's generally accepted. Life goes on.

New Zealand is an interesting case in that it has all but defeated the virus. It would be interesting to get a Kiwi viewpoint on this thread. Here's a piece from a libertarian perspective that questions the country's approach: New Zealand will be left behind with 'Covid-hysteria'. As someone who relies on international trade for business myself, I'm sympathetic to a lot in the piece.

Here's a quote: "Eventually, isolation means penury. If we cannot trade and travel our economy will become increasingly detached from the rest of the world. Commercial relationships will atrophy. Domestic tourist sites will become abandoned and new facilities will not be constructed. As the rest of the world moves on from Covid-hysteria, we will be left behind."

Cheers,
CB

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only one store actually required masks.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Mortality continues its long decline in the US, which you wouldn't surmise from the news media reports.

Positive tests/active cases continue to rise, so perhaps things are destined to change.

As I posted here yesterday, hospitalizations in my area and in the state as a whole continue to decline, even as positive tests go up. I don't know if this is consistent with other states, but it suggests that there are a lot of fairly mild cases that aren't transitioning into serious ones (not yet, anyway). In my county, total mortality is 15, the same number for the past 29 days.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yes, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

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es, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yes, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

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es, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

I do not share your optimism. The United States is now recording 20% of the new cases worldwide with 4% of the Worlds population. This is a new statistic. 22 States are reporting net increases, Washington States Governor is reporting Yakima County is now near "the breaking point" and Florida has just reported it's 100,000 case, Oklahoma and Missouri reported their largest single-day case increases yet and nationally recognized infectious disease expert, Dr. Peter Hotez of the Baylor College of Medicine says if current trends continue Houston could become the worst affected city in the U.S rivaling Brazil in severity. I'm adapting as quick as I can but I can recognize when the river is going to rise past it's banks. I do not believe we are even remotely headed in the right direction. this is not a "second wave" and if the summer heat is going to slow this thing down the climate in Houston has changed quite a bit since my last visit.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

You're not sharing my optimism of your optimism? You're disagreeing with yourself?

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yer making that up. Actually, you had just lost 16 carriers following an ill-advised raid on Port Stanley, marooning KB 29 hexes SE of Tahiti without fuel. You couldn't bring yourself to run a turn for ten days and sent this email to your opponent: "Dude, I just came down with Covid. I have a doctor's appointment next week. I'll get a turn back to you after National Sub Month in August."

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yes, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

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es, I think that might be the case. A corollary is that we're better at protecting the most vulnerable - the elderly. So there are rising case numbers, partly due to increasing testing, partly to the young and healthy now catching it, partly to some plants (meat-packing, textile) having outbreaks. But mortality is dropping because the outbreaks aren't reaching the nursing homes very often. We've learned and adapted (and will have to continue doing so).

I do not share your optimism. The United States is now recording 20% of the new cases worldwide with 4% of the Worlds population. This is a new statistic. 22 States are reporting net increases, Washington States Governor is reporting Yakima County is now near "the breaking point" and Florida has just reported it's 100,000 case, Oklahoma and Missouri reported their largest single-day case increases yet and nationally recognized infectious disease expert, Dr. Peter Hotez of the Baylor College of Medicine says if current trends continue Houston could become the worst affected city in the U.S rivaling Brazil in severity. I'm adapting as quick as I can but I can recognize when the river is going to rise past it's banks. I do not believe we are even remotely headed in the right direction. This is not a "second wave", this is still an unmitigated first wave and if the summer heat is going to slow this thing down the climate in Houston has changed quite a bit since my last visit. That place is as hot as balls.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

......Something has to give, soon.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

That's the point I'm making.

Either mortality has to begin rising, coincident with rising new cases, or else there's no meaningful correlation between the two. Something has to give.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Maybe it is a good thing that it is the younger people getting it since they are less likely to have bad outcomes and it increases the chance of herd immunity kicking in. Do you pessimistic people think of that? How many of these new cases are the result of being able to test more people? As long as the hospitalizations continue to decrease, it is good.

As far as people not wearing masks here in the stores, the closest known case is 30+ kilometers or 20+ miles away. These are small communities, there are no subway lines, the buses are usually not too crowded, so the risk is small. Wearing a mask also interferes with the vision for those who wear glasses. When I go to a larger community, I will wear a mask and I will do so for awhile afterwards. Many people here also have automobiles and do not depend upon public transportation, in that regard I am in the minority here.

The downstairs community kitchen and dining room opened up. Take the elevator downstairs and drink coffee that someone else has made. But half the chairs are stacked up so people won't congregate too much. I will buy rolls tomorrow when I take my Sweet Pea in to the clinic. The cinnamon in the rolls helps to stabilize the blood sugar.

As far as the US with the high positive testing rate, there are other factors in play. Many countries but not the US and Western Europe vaccinated for TB which apparently gives some protection. How many other countries are testing as much as the US and are honest with their reporting?

As far as shingles go, I have never had Chicken Pox but I do have antibodies for the Varicella virus.

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California shattered its single-day record for most new coronavirus cases Monday as the number of people hospitalized statewide due to the virus also reached record levels.

As of Monday evening, county health departments had reported more than 6,000 new cases, with several counties still yet to report, according to data compiled by The Chronicle. California hadn’t exceeded 4,515 new cases in a single day previously, according to the state’s health department.

Monday’s number included some counties reporting multiple-day totals after not updating their case counts over the weekend, and state officials note that daily case counts might not represent true day-over-day change due to lags in reporting of results.

However, officials in Los Angeles County, which reported a record 2,545 new cases Monday, noted that total reflected not just testing but a higher rate of tests coming back positive.

“Today marks the third day in a week that we have reported 2,000 or more cases of COVID-19,” county health director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said in a statement. “And while some of the increases are due to test reporting issues, it is clear that much of the increase represents more community transmission.”

Officials said Los Angeles County’s average 8.4% positive rate over the last seven days is higher than its overall 8% rate and up from a seven-day average of 5.8% just 10 days ago.

“Throughout our recovery journey, we have said that it is likely that the number of cases will increase as more people are out of their homes and around other people,” the county health department wrote in a series of Twitter posts. “It is very important to watch how this increase in cases translates into hospitalizations over the next few weeks.”

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

6,000-plus: California shatters its single-day record for most new coronavirus cases

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California shattered its single-day record for most new coronavirus cases Monday as the number of people hospitalized statewide due to the virus also reached record levels.

As of Monday evening, county health departments had reported more than 6,000 new cases, with several counties still yet to report, according to data compiled by The Chronicle. California hadn’t exceeded 4,515 new cases in a single day previously, according to the state’s health department.

Monday’s number included some counties reporting multiple-day totals after not updating their case counts over the weekend, and state officials note that daily case counts might not represent true day-over-day change due to lags in reporting of results.

However, officials in Los Angeles County, which reported a record 2,545 new cases Monday, noted that total reflected not just testing but a higher rate of tests coming back positive.

“Today marks the third day in a week that we have reported 2,000 or more cases of COVID-19,” county health director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said in a statement. “And while some of the increases are due to test reporting issues, it is clear that much of the increase represents more community transmission.”

Officials said Los Angeles County’s average 8.4% positive rate over the last seven days is higher than its overall 8% rate and up from a seven-day average of 5.8% just 10 days ago.

“Throughout our recovery journey, we have said that it is likely that the number of cases will increase as more people are out of their homes and around other people,” the county health department wrote in a series of Twitter posts. “It is very important to watch how this increase in cases translates into hospitalizations over the next few weeks.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/6-000-plus-California-shatters-its-single-day-15358857.php

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

6,000-plus: California shatters its single-day record for most new coronavirus cases

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California shattered its single-day record for most new coronavirus cases Monday as the number of people hospitalized statewide due to the virus also reached record levels.

As of Monday evening, county health departments had reported more than 6,000 new cases, with several counties still yet to report, according to data compiled by The Chronicle. California hadn’t exceeded 4,515 new cases in a single day previously, according to the state’s health department.

Monday’s number included some counties reporting multiple-day totals after not updating their case counts over the weekend, and state officials note that daily case counts might not represent true day-over-day change due to lags in reporting of results.

However, officials in Los Angeles County, which reported a record 2,545 new cases Monday, noted that total reflected not just testing but a higher rate of tests coming back positive.

“Today marks the third day in a week that we have reported 2,000 or more cases of COVID-19,” county health director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said in a statement. “And while some of the increases are due to test reporting issues, it is clear that much of the increase represents more community transmission.”

Officials said Los Angeles County’s average 8.4% positive rate over the last seven days is higher than its overall 8% rate and up from a seven-day average of 5.8% just 10 days ago.

“Throughout our recovery journey, we have said that it is likely that the number of cases will increase as more people are out of their homes and around other people,” the county health department wrote in a series of Twitter posts. “It is very important to watch how this increase in cases translates into hospitalizations over the next few weeks.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/6-000-plus-California-shatters-its-single-day-15358857.php

I heard about that surge upward - worse than they were before reopening. I couldn't find it in the article but I wonder if international travel has been restarted and a lot of this could be imported? Or maybe just interstate travel could do that? Or maybe it's just young people getting back into the dance clubs.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wait....

New York set the standard on how to handle this?

I'd rather follow the lead of Arkansas.