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P-51 Production - 8/4/2020 10:48:49 AM

The_Serious_Strategy_Gamer

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So esteemed Forumites, here is a question about P-51 production. I am playing the additional air HQ grand campaign, and I have advanced to September 1943 and I am not getting an P-51, although I am thinking that I should.

I have gotten a couple of P-51A (2 factories), but my understanding is that they should have been switched over to the production of the P-51B-1 (expansion rate 2, 24 limit) in June, and to the P-51B-10 in September (expansion rate 3, limit 36), alas I am not seeing any air frames in the pool, nor factories on the overview of the type.

What am I doing wrong?

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/4/2020 7:14:32 PM

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P-51 will be produced until the end of September 1943 as defined in data.
There's actually a display bug not showing a proper end date for aircraft with update paths, factory upgrades will only happen past the end date of the current production model

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/5/2020 6:27:21 AM

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There is something I consider to be a bug in the game. You get P-51B-1's for a month or two, then production stops for a few months, then you get some P-51B-10's for a few months, then production again stops for a few months, then you start getting P-51D's until the end of the war.

I can't believe that's the way North American Aviation's production of P-51's actually worked, with no aircraft delivered for months at a time.

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/5/2020 9:46:45 AM

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Hmm, so its purely a display bug? Let's see if I will start to get them in October then. Weird that the game has a bug pulling its own data.

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/5/2020 9:43:32 PM

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Check data in editor - many fighters have a date overlap with last production and first month of the successor. Old type will stay in production until they are past its last production date then switch to new model.

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/5/2020 11:33:56 PM

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Dennis,

This is what I posted on the testing forum just over two years ago:

I don't understand the combination of production start and stop dates, combined with delayed availability for US fighters.

For example, let's look at the P-51 in the 1943 Campaign (AAHQ) scenario:

The P-51B-1 is produced Turns 1-9, but not available to deploy until Turn 10. A total of 192 are built, which will equip three US FB-F groups, but leaving no replacements available.

The P-51B-10 is produced Turns 10-44, but not available to deploy until Turn 23, which means 13 turns go by in which not a single new P-51 enters the pool. A total of 1,378 are built.

The P-51D is produced Turns 45 onward, but not available to deploy until Turn 53, by which time 372 are available, which means 9 turns go by in which not a single new P-51 enters the pool.

So from Turn 9 to Turn 23, and again from Turn 44 to Turn 53, no new P-51's of any type are delivered to the pool.

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/6/2020 8:07:25 PM

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B-1 is produced until 11/43, B-10 until 5/44.
You need to look at the true dates in the editor, not the borked display in the production menu which does not show end dates

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RE: P-51 Production - 8/15/2020 12:14:22 PM

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So looking at the editor the B-1 would start to be produced in 1943 June.

However it is now 1943 September 11 and I have no P-51B-1 is the pool per the production view (the type does not even show up, with or without filters) and I can not select it when changing the airplane type of a US FB group. Only the P-51A shows up at all (as an outdated plane in the production view with #- and with like 6 aircraft in the pool)

I dont get it

EDIT: Ok, per the editor the P-51A is produced until 1943 September, so I guess that is what is preventing the B-1 to show up. I wonder whether it get produced in the background or not at all though.

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