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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 2:55:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Interesting is his use of the Babs. Suggests to me it is being used sub optimally.

Alfred

Correct.

The entire report screams sub-optimal use.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 3:05:49 PM

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I think I will buy out the III Indian HQc today and get them to Palembang while I can do it in relative safety.

I see so much opportunity here. I need 2 more days to get things established.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 3:11:22 PM

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Obviously, Soerabaja is the closest yard, but I don't really feel safe using it. I have an AR or two hiding somewhere, and I will have Houston meet up with them in some god forsaken base and pump out the counterflooding before continuing to Australia and major repairs.

If you look close at the map, you can see several dot bases with ships in port. Makes you wonder.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 3:16:36 PM

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The Wake/Midway/Marcus Island operations still look good...

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:02:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Interesting is his use of the Babs. Suggests to me it is being used sub optimally.

Alfred

Hi Alfred, could expound on that just a little further. I don't see anything evident but i would like to learn more from the experts.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:07:30 PM

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Even just a few days at Sumatra with air cover and naval support would work wonders for Houston. Then either Sydney, Columbo, or Cape Town.

Maybe build up the airfield in the base behind Palembang so it can't be bombarded from the sea. That would also be a nice place for the HQ if Palembang gets crowded. A good place for torpedo bombers set at range one, at 1,000 or even 100 foot altitude. Pull some of the Malaya HQ there as well, in case you lose Singapore fast as it will reform there and give its HQ additions to Palembang defenses. Although encouraging bombardments at Palembang can destroy the oil and refineries there.

Don't forget to have bombers ready to fly city attacks for the night or day after he captures a base with oil.

If you want, you can use the Chinese DC-2s to airlift the Cavite Base unit closer to getting out of China, safer for it as well. You can split the DC-2 unit into thirds to rescue some of the Hong Kong defenders to reform those units in India as well.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:22:37 PM

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Even just a few days at Sumatra with air cover and naval support would work wonders for Houston. Then either Sydney, Columbo, or Cape Town.

Maybe build up the airfield in the base behind Palembang so it can't be bombarded from the sea. That would also be a nice place for the HQ if Palembang gets crowded. A good place for torpedo bombers set at range one, at 1,000 or even 100 foot altitude. Pull some of the Malaya HQ there as well, in case you lose Singapore fast as it will reform there and give its HQ additions to Palembang defenses. Although encouraging bombardments at Palembang can destroy the oil and refineries there.

Don't forget to have bombers ready to fly city attacks for the night or day after he captures a base with oil.

If you want, you can use the Chinese DC-2s to airlift the Cavite Base unit closer to getting out of China, safer for it as well. You can split the DC-2 unit into thirds to rescue some of the Hong Kong defenders to reform those units in India as well.

Nice ideas...but:

Iboats are probably off Soerabaja.

I suspect Palembang isn't going to be amphibiously invaded. But I hope he tries.

Can't hold that base behind Palembang so I don't want to build it up. Maybe that will change.

Not spending pp to buy out restricted remnants.

Right now there is absolutely no hurry in flying the Cavite Base force out with DC2s. I don't want to subject the planes to op losses needlessly. If the situation changes, then maybe, but till then it is the shoe leather express.

Bombing oil centers the day after they are taken...if I can. Not building my bomber usage around that idea at this point in time.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:24:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Interesting is his use of the Babs. Suggests to me it is being used sub optimally.

Alfred

Hi Alfred, could expound on that just a little further. I don't see anything evident but i would like to learn more from the experts.

Well, Alfred identified the unit. Babs. What is different about Babs from all the other Japanese losses that could suggest sub-optimal usage?

This also goes to Rusty's point that Japan is needlessly suffering losses.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:32:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

quote:

ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Interesting is his use of the Babs. Suggests to me it is being used sub optimally.

Alfred

Hi Alfred, could expound on that just a little further. I don't see anything evident but i would like to learn more from the experts.

Well, Alfred identified the unit. Babs. What is different about Babs from all the other Japanese losses that could suggest sub-optimal usage?

This also goes to Rusty's point that Japan is needlessly suffering losses.

so were you a teacher or professor?

i see the flak losses. I lose a lot of babs to ops and some to fighters if not careful but i don't think i ever lost them to flak.

Thanks

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 4:35:56 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Even just a few days at Sumatra with air cover and naval support would work wonders for Houston. Then either Sydney, Columbo, or Cape Town.

Maybe build up the airfield in the base behind Palembang so it can't be bombarded from the sea. That would also be a nice place for the HQ if Palembang gets crowded. A good place for torpedo bombers set at range one, at 1,000 or even 100 foot altitude. Pull some of the Malaya HQ there as well, in case you lose Singapore fast as it will reform there and give its HQ additions to Palembang defenses. Although encouraging bombardments at Palembang can destroy the oil and refineries there.

Don't forget to have bombers ready to fly city attacks for the night or day after he captures a base with oil.

If you want, you can use the Chinese DC-2s to airlift the Cavite Base unit closer to getting out of China, safer for it as well. You can split the DC-2 unit into thirds to rescue some of the Hong Kong defenders to reform those units in India as well.

Nice ideas...but:

Iboats are probably off Soerabaja.

I suspect Palembang isn't going to be amphibiously invaded. But I hope he tries. Can't hold that base behind Palembang so I don't want to build it up. Maybe that will change.

Not spending pp to buy out restricted remnants.

Right now there is absolutely no hurry in flying the Cavite Base force out with DC2s. I don't want to subject the planes to op losses needlessly. If the situation changes, then maybe, but till then it is the shoe leather express.

Bombing oil centers the day after they are taken...if I can. Not building my bomber usage around that idea at this point in time.

Malaya HQ is ABDA and so are the Hong Kong units. Any Malaya HQ units, including the HQ, should be able to be flown to the DEI. I do believe that the Hong Kong units should be able to be flown into China. Once the main part is destroyed, buying out the unit is a lot cheaper.

Shoe leather express? Is that the LPC? LPC => Leather Personnel Carrier.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 5:18:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Interesting is his use of the Babs. Suggests to me it is being used sub optimally.

Alfred

Hi Alfred, could expound on that just a little further. I don't see anything evident but i would like to learn more from the experts.

Four turns (really only 3) into the war and Japan has already lost 5 Babs. The Babs is a Recon aircraft. With proper handling both flak and operational losses should be minimal.

1. At the start of the war it equips IJA recon units which are situated in areas where Allied flak is weak.

2. With its maximum altitude, it should be able to fly above almost whatever Allied flak it is going to encounter in December 1941.

3. Losing 1 per turn as an operational loss suggests he is flying all of them at extended distance. That should be largely unnecessary. Japan does not need long range intel of Chinese movements at this stage of the war. There are enough targets within normal range to occupy the Babs units. Those units not close enough should be training recon pilots for the units flying the much more capable Dinah.

This loss rate is unsupportable. Recon aircraft can be intercepted by enemy aircraft and flak but their loss rates to these causes should be very, very low. Operational losses should dominate but closer to 2-3 per month.

Alfred

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 5:20:49 PM

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Obvert,

Just a reminder that Allied HQs automatically return like Lazarus, except for 4.

Alfred

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 5:26:42 PM

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I don't think that the Malaya HQ returns as it has withdrawl date if I remember correctly, the same with the Burma Corps.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 6:31:09 PM

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Obvert,

Just a reminder that Allied HQs automatically return like Lazarus, except for 4.

Alfred

Did you mean Lowpe?

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/15/2020 11:39:30 PM

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I don't think that the Malaya HQ returns as it has withdrawl date if I remember correctly, the same with the Burma Corps.

They both have withdraws.

The problem I have with flying out splinters to buy back at greatly reduced PP is that I think an exploit. In addition, I wouldn't want to fly out the splinter till the last minute, and in the case of Singers, the Japanese should be LRCAP it which means plane losses.

And finally, the benefit to game play is small. I have one command HQ in the area...and plenty of smaller HQs to keep it occupied so to speak.

It is funny, I don't have a problem saving splinters or more when playing Japan defensively...especially if I can evacuate by sea or fast transport. Of course those are all unrestricted commands.

I am just strange.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/16/2020 9:27:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Obvert,

Just a reminder that Allied HQs automatically return like Lazarus, except for 4.

Alfred

Did you mean Lowpe?

(rather sheepishly)

Yes.

When I first read you post I thought you were alluding that Lowpe reguarly performing a Lazurus, hence his name should now be associated with coming back from the dead.

Now I see your post had a second meaning too. The resurrection and that I had addressed the observation to the wrong person.

I suppose my only defense is that I'm participating in a giant maskirovka. Yeah that sounds like my get out of gaol card.

Alfred

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/16/2020 5:39:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Obvert,

Just a reminder that Allied HQs automatically return like Lazarus, except for 4.

Alfred

Did you mean Lowpe?

(rather sheepishly)

Yes.

When I first read you post I thought you were alluding that Lowpe reguarly performing a Lazurus, hence his name should now be associated with coming back from the dead.

Now I see your post had a second meaning too. The resurrection and that I had addressed the observation to the wrong person.

I suppose my only defense is that I'm participating in a giant maskirovka. Yeah that sounds like my get out of gaol card.

Alfred

So Alfred was caught in a mistake, error, or whatever that an individual wants to call it. It just proves that he is human. More important is that he admitted it.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/16/2020 5:52:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

quote:

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Obvert,

Just a reminder that Allied HQs automatically return like Lazarus, except for 4.

Alfred

Did you mean Lowpe?

(rather sheepishly)

Yes.

When I first read you post I thought you were alluding that Lowpe reguarly performing a Lazurus, hence his name should now be associated with coming back from the dead.

Now I see your post had a second meaning too. The resurrection and that I had addressed the observation to the wrong person.

I suppose my only defense is that I'm participating in a giant maskirovka. Yeah that sounds like my get out of gaol card.

Alfred

So Alfred was caught in a mistake, error, or whatever that an individual wants to call it. It just proves that he is human. More important is that he admitted it.

You will find typos.

If it was good enough for Zeus to come down from Olympus every so often, it is good enough for me to appear to come down too.

Alfred

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/16/2020 7:00:26 PM

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I don't worry about typos or misspelling because for some English is not their first language. Even if it is, they still might have trouble with it.

Unless it changes the meaning or I can have fun with the error.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/17/2020 3:51:11 PM

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Every turn that goes by, I realize there are neglected task forces. I suspect this problem will grow, as the Allies just get so many units.

It is a long war, so I am not too concerned about having something idle in safe areas, but I was a little disappointed in forgetting Penguin this turn. Sure, she is less than 5 vp, but it is the concept...I had gotten her to safety, and almost never do that. Rochambeau is another that irks.

In India I have consolidated all the engineering units at Calcutta, and rejoined them. We will build up Ledo first to size 5, to house the B17s, before moving on to other bases which will see Forts before expanding runways or ports.

I have bought out 1 b17 squadron, and will probably buy out one more from Philippines with the next turn.

Offensive actions:

Ground Attack at Foochow
Bombing Ichang
Nothing exciting ship wise...need to refuel and rearm...should have something this next turn
Big Cap Trap again, should work as this will be my third in the game and I usually go about 1 for 3

Boise, RN Destroyers and Deathstar are trying to make good their escapes
Everything is steaming to Wake, Midway, Marcus...will be loading in 3-4 days for Marcus.
Decided to land base force and def art btln on Christmas Island Pacific Ocean

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:12:52 AM

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Dec 15 & 16, 1941

China

94th Chinese Corp heading NE to Ichang, 358 AV, will await their arrival before attacking Ichang again.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:19:36 AM

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Sub attacks:

Dutch score again:

Submarine attack near Soc Trang at 59,74

Japanese Ships
xAK Johore Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage (Yusen N!)

Allied Ships
SS KXIII

xAK Johore Maru is sighted by SS KXIII
SS KXIII attacking on the surface

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Submarine attack near Lihue at 181,91 about 10 hexes north of Pearl

Japanese Ships
SS I-25

Allied Ships
xAK Ruth Alexander, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage (Ouch, a good ship)

xAK Ruth Alexander is sighted by SS I-25
SS I-25 attacking on the surface
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Submarine attack near Tandjoengpinang at 51,85

Japanese Ships
SS I-162

Allied Ships
xAP Kedah, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage (2 vp trawler)

xAP Kedah is sighted by SS I-162
SS I-162 launches 4 torpedoes

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:27:48 AM

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Being too aggressive, guess the KB was hanging out in the deadzone between Midway and Wake -- scratch a FA btln and Combat Engineers....

Morning Air attack on TF, near Midway Island at 156,98

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
B5N2 Kate x 22
D3A1 Val x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DMS Zane
xAP St. Mihel, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1
DMS Hovey, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Boggs, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Castor, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
1525 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 62 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 82 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (46 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000' *
Naval Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP St. Mihel

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:31:07 AM

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Every turn that goes by, I realize there are neglected task forces. I suspect this problem will grow, as the Allies just get so many units.

It just gets worse. I'm playing in '44 for the first time and there's...just. so. much. Hard to get a handle on all of it.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:33:19 AM

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Air losses...Japanese air losses exceed Allies with this turn.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:43:52 AM

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Burma increased by 10K supply, China holding steady at 180K. Over 110K at Singers now and 42K at Palembang.

Palembang 80+AV and growing very quickly, although most troops moving overland from Oosthaven. Dutch torpedo boats arrive in Palembang with this turn.

Japan will be in for a fight at Singers and Palembang.

Right now, everything is smoke and mirrors compared to Singers and Palembang.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:55:31 AM

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Lots of at risk Allied shipping desperately moving supplies and troops...

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 6:30:44 AM

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Good work on Palembang

I wonder if your opponent is aware of how critical it is to be Japanese hands as soon as possible

I can't believe he's not got Singkawang or Kuching on the first turn to be honest

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:23:36 PM

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More reinforcements for Palembang/Singapore.

You may ask why am I sending armored cars to Palembang...and the answer is that in a hex that can be bombarded navally, tanks are targeted last or seldom targeted whether it is because they are tanks or smaller...Given the terrain, forts and relative immunity to naval bombardments they can really do well.

I hope to get some reinforcements to Singapore too...the route is from Palembang to Singers rather than by ship straight to Singers.

I have stripped almost all starting supply from Ceylon...

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 8/18/2020 12:29:59 PM

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More reinforcements for Palembang/Singapore.

You may ask why am I sending armored cars to Palembang...and the answer is that in a hex that can be bombarded navally, tanks are targeted last or seldom targeted whether it is because they are tanks or smaller...Given the terrain, forts and relative immunity to naval bombardments they can really do well.

I hope to get some reinforcements to Singapore too...the route is from Palembang to Singers rather than by ship straight to Singers.

I have stripped almost all starting supply from Ceylon...

If you decide to leave some units to make a stand on Ceylon, Trincomalee has much better defensive terrain than Colombo. That more than makes up for the forts you might build at Colombo.

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