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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 5:41:30 PM   
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B29 arrives this month, so at the moment 0 are in the pool. Sigint shows John is reinforcing Singapore with another division.


Don't you get squadrons a head of time? I think I have been hit by b29s as early as December of 1943. Mods vary of course.


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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 6:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just checked and apparently I had 12 B-29 squadrons appear in Aden in the last few weeks which I didn't notice. Wallah! I have 7x12: 84 B-29s. I'll bring them up once I secure lower Burma and have good air support and supply at Rangoon. This is my first time playing really into mid-1944.

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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 8:01:24 PM   
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I just checked and apparently I had 12 B-29 squadrons appear in Aden in the last few weeks which I didn't notice. Wallah! I have 7x12: 84 B-29s. I'll bring them up once I secure lower Burma and have good air support and supply at Rangoon. This is my first time playing really into mid-1944.


Maybe you should keep an eye on the intelligence report for reinforcements as well as the Operations Report.

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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 8:45:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is the optimal use for B29s? How well would they do in unescorted strikes against targets with Franks and Georges for CAP defense? My B24s and such have been treated roughly unless I also have air supremacy. How effective are B29s in night strikes? I'd love to know how others would suggest to use them and set up their air missions?

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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 9:03:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sort all your air squadrons by mission, and then find any that have a 40% training and double check to make sure you didn't miss them when they arrived.


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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/11/2020 9:14:05 PM   
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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/12/2020 2:54:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure what your HRs involving 4Es are, but Canoerebel used B-29s in one of his recent AAR games to port strike Japanese bases with large concentrations of shipping. It made forward operations for his opponent incredibly dangerous, and I'm pretty sure that he bagged at least one carrier through this.


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RE: April 1st, 1944 - 8/12/2020 8:01:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		The prewar concept of "the bomber must get through," was flawed and proven not to be true. So to answer your question when unescorted bombers faced a CAP made up of planes with cannons, the bombers got slaughtered. The B-29s can drop mines into ports at night and channels. That is one use early when you don't have a lot of bombers. Also bombing bases without fighters will force him to thin out his front line fighters to cover deeper bases within B-29 range. Those base attacks can be port, airfield , troops and out strategic day or night. One reason the Americans captured Iwo Jima was to provide a base to fly P-51 escorts out of to protect the B-29 missions. Also to have a midway point base for damaged B-29s to land on and not turn into an operational lose.

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April 1st, 1944 - 8/12/2020 4:23:54 PM   
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Rangoon doesn't fall, but we get a nice 2-1 attack with forts falling to 1. Should be soon, I'll probably try a shock attack this turn to finish it off, esp as some units seem to have finally moved to the north of Rangoon in escape (I'll attack those thise turn with my 150AV in tanks there). Interestingly, John tries a shock attack to remove my paras at Toungoo and comes off much worse; and a bombardment at Moulmein sees a high number of Japanese casualties. The only bad news is in placing my carriers just south of Moulmein, they were just in the range of Bangkok based on my settings and my CVs launched nav strikes agaisnt a well CAP'd Bangkok. We probably sink a number of xAPs with troops on them, but we lose ~150 A/C in the process.



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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - 8/12/2020 4:29:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You were not expecting a naval strike but his land units have taken some damage. That will take a little time and supplies to heal.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - 8/12/2020 4:38:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reading the tea leaves, I remember from CR's game with John that he mentioned John tends to slow things down when he is not happy with how things are going: things suddenly come up, he's very busy with real life, school for the kids, etc. Well, John said that things will be slowing down in terms of turn exchanges as school is starting soon, so there's that.

Based on the exchanges the past week, I'm pretty sure John was surprised by my landing at Pegu, but also believed that was all the forces to be committed and probably felt confident in holding or at least having time for an orderly retreat. I quickly landed 4 additional divisions at Rangoon and sped up the time table significantly. The 50k at Rangoon and the 40k north of Rangoon in jungles of the Burmese-Indian border are in great danger.

Anyways, given that things will slow down, I will be taking more time on these turns as I seriously need to re-organize things for future invasions.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - 8/12/2020 4:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		One reason for slowing down is a player might need to decide what to do after contemplating each possibility that come to him, then to issue the necessary orders. Not to mention:

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April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/13/2020 1:37:35 AM   
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Sorry, miscounted again. This turn is actually the 2nd of April, with the previous being the first, and with it Rangoon finally falls. Better yet, we see victories across the board and while we don't destroy the garrison at Rangoon, it is severely mauled and forced to flee to a base from which we can probably cut it off and destroy it for good. Moreover, John's 40k troops on the Indian border are in real trouble. All in all, a nice day on the land front in Burma. We should begin proper attacks on Moulmein soon enough and will, of course, be bringing in all types of base units to turn Rangoon into a major airbase. John did us a favor and maxed out the airfield to 8(7). The port needs to be built up, currently only at 4(6). Pegu will also be built up to to max out its airfield.

To cut off the 40k at Bassein, we will run LRCAP over the base to hit any air transports and send our fast tanks currently north of Rangoon further north to the rail junction between Bassein and Prome. Not even sure we need to devote forces from Rangoon to investing Moulmein and can probably use them solely for mopping up the Burmese interior and cutting off as many IJA troops as possible.


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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/13/2020 2:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like you unhinged his route of possible escape in Burma and now he has to figure out can he open it back up again or have to do a long march through the jungle back to Thailand out of supply and suffering the ravages of illness and your air strikes. It would be common for such a reversal of fortune to take time to decide on the course of future operations. Does he rush in with all the IJN and try to fight it out to save his troops in danger of being cutoff in Northern Burma or rush reinforcements to Thailand to build a defensive line north of Bangkok and work his way north to building a jungle route using the broken trail and then rail system through Chang Mai. As you state you could use this respite to straighten out and attend to some neglected areas so it is hard churning out 2-4 turns a day and things sometimes fall through the cracks that really needed addressing earlier. One thing a good commander has to do is get inside the opponents operational planning cycle and upset it so he has to change major plans he has had in place. That is what the Blitzkrieg did to the Allies prewar plans with dealing with a German invasion through the low countries. The allies never got their balance back and were always reacting behind the moves of their opponent. You have seized the initiative, now make him dance to your tune.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/13/2020 3:36:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		As mentioned before, lots of nice little bases to develop for the air war. Rangoon is at 8(7) and can actually be developed even further to a level 9 airfield. Pegu is currently at 2(7), but can be developed. Moulmein has also been nicely developed to 7(7). Going even further down (and thus even deeper into the Japanese interior with long-range heavy bombers), Mergui is at 2(7) and can be developed. Victoria Point is at 7(6) and in easy range for landings. John has does a bit of development work for me already here. Stretching it even further, Sabang is at 7(7), Georgetown at 8(7), etc.

I plan to reinforce Little Andaman and take Trinkat or the little dots near it to help seal off the Andaman Sea.


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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/13/2020 7:02:44 PM   
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Looks like you unhinged his route of possible escape in Burma and now he has to figure out can he open it back up again or have to do a long march through the jungle back to Thailand out of supply and suffering the ravages of illness and your air strikes. It would be common for such a reversal of fortune to take time to decide on the course of future operations. Does he rush in with all the IJN and try to fight it out to save his troops in danger of being cutoff in Northern Burma or rush reinforcements to Thailand to build a defensive line north of Bangkok and work his way north to building a jungle route using the broken trail and then rail system through Chang Mai. As you state you could use this respite to straighten out and attend to some neglected areas so it is hard churning out 2-4 turns a day and things sometimes fall through the cracks that really needed addressing earlier. One thing a good commander has to do is get inside the opponents operational planning cycle and upset it so he has to change major plans he has had in place. That is what the Blitzkrieg did to the Allies prewar plans with dealing with a German invasion through the low countries. The allies never got their balance back and were always reacting behind the moves of their opponent. You have seized the initiative, now make him dance to your tune.

Looks like the IJ units in the north can still get to the Burma road and retreat to China if they go via Myitkyna and south from there.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/15/2020 11:36:04 PM   
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11/4th Brigade is planning for an attack on Midway Island.
8/4th Brigade is planning for an attack on Midway Island.


Midway has level 4 forts, a full army regiment, and a CD unit, but we'll be setting up more mines at it and subs around it just in case. Moreover, again, it is very close to Pearl and relief and my numerous CVEs, CV/CVLs, and surface ships there.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/16/2020 4:20:32 AM   
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Nothing to report except I have this in my latest sigint:

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11/4th Brigade is planning for an attack on Midway Island.
8/4th Brigade is planning for an attack on Midway Island.


Midway has level 4 forts, a full army regiment, and a CD unit, but we'll be setting up more mines at it and subs around it just in case. Moreover, again, it is very close to Pearl and relief and my numerous CVEs, CV/CVLs, and surface ships there.


It looks like the unit is loaded on transports.

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/16/2020 4:34:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, that didn't escape my attention, nor the sudden surveillance of Midway and the stationing of 5-6 subs just south of it on the path to Pearl. Hm...

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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/16/2020 5:26:27 AM   
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RE: April 2nd, 1944 - Fall of Rangoon - 8/16/2020 2:59:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Midway and subs around it as well as constant reconnaissance. Not very subtle again. You can also see my naval forces at Pearl. I am sending an additional 50AV by APD to reinforce the 120AV already at Midway with its 4 forts. Unfortunately, one CV is in repair for 50 days from taking a torpedo and 2 Cleveland-class CLs went into refit for 16 more days. Nonetheless, I like my chances. Also notice, Midway is well-supplied.


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April 6th, 1944 - 8/17/2020 8:14:01 PM   
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Something might or might not be approaching Midway we'll see. As stated before, it has 4 forts, a CD unit, and an army regiment. It will be joined by the 1 Spec SVC Unit (US Rangers) by APD in 2 turns. This will raise the AV to ~160 with 4 forts. So far all I've seen that might be trying for it is a Brigade unit of some sort. My CVEs, CV/CVL, and various surface units set sail from Pearl today just in case. Subs are being posted at Midway as well. My surface units will be 1 fast BB SCTF, 2 slow BB SCTFs, a CA/DD SCTF, and 5-6 DD SCTFs. My CVEs and CV/CVL combine for ~750 A/C.


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April 7th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 1:06:06 AM   
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Interesting turn more for the tea leaves than the action. First, in we decide to send in one of our carrier units to hit John's transports near Port Blair (he seemed to be thinking we were heading back to port so I flanked one back just in case).



More interestingly, John has setup his subs in some sort of cordon south of Midway, he moved them slightly down and setup a straight line. Furthermore, sub Burrfish gets 10/10 DL by "Japanese dive bomber" type aircraft near Wake. Could be Wake's ASW patrols, but I think it might be carriers, especially given the "heavy radio activity" from the previous turn. The question is do I try to land my 50 AV with the APDs this turn and risk John sending his carriers forward or do I hang back and land them after the Japanese landings, figuring John won't be able to immediately take a 4-fort island with 112 AV. And the real interesting thing is John seems to have a division planning for one of the Hawaiian bases...interesting. Don't know if that's just misdirection on John's part, cause he strikes me as the guy crazy enough to do it. I should note I have significant AV on each of the island and will bring up some new divisions from San Francisco to Pearl shortly. As guessed, John also seems to have designs on the SoPac; I have reinforced Manus but I'll bring stuff up from Australia to Lae, etc. too.

I should note I plan to bring some carriers back from India soon because I can have good local supremacy even with divided carriers.


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RE: April 7th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 1:12:23 AM   
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RE: April 7th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 1:18:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hope he does. I have lots lots lots of fighters and bombers at Pearl, and lots of AV on each of the islands, since I use them as staging grounds. So, I seriously doubt its happening. If it does, he'll suffer.


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April 8th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 2:57:09 AM   
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The beast appears. It seems a Midway operation was on the table; I wonder if John thinks this will be as easy as Wake. It shouldn't be...and if a brigade is all he is bringing, it shouldn't be enough. My APDs should be able to offload the 1st Spec Svc Unit and its 50AV before leaving. More importantly, the APDs are not detected so he shouldn't know they are there. John might try rushing his carriers forward anyways now that his TFs have been discovered.


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RE: April 8th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 3:14:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking that Kona planning has to be a head fake. Even the Midway run seems fishy, as one brigade is certainly not going to cut it. Is anything happening elsewhere?

Interesting times.

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RE: April 8th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 3:28:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm inclined to believe the Midway op is real; this is like the 5th day in a row we've gotten sigint of a 3/4th Brigade or a 2/4th Brigade (i.e. loaded on transports based on the name) is planning an attack on Midway. Moreover, based on the heavy radio activity, the enemy TFs west of Midway have been moving to slow to just be carriers/SCTFs, most likely including slower ships such as transports. I think John might try, reasons being he already showed his earnestness through invading Wake and he might think my defenses are equally lax at Midway, or at least not too robust. But yes, this can certainly be a massive diversion. He could also be luring my naval forces into a trap, but its hard to see me being more than evenly matched, unless I seriously miscounted his carriers.

Other than that, numerous sigint points to John planning to take back bases around Guinea, such as Lae and Manus. This also could just be an attempt to get me to move my forces out of India, where he is in trouble.

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RE: April 8th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 3:38:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe your analysis is correct based on what you have in SIGINT and what you are seeing on the map. I find it hard to believe though that he is only bringing a Bde, which would only defeat a Defense BN and maybe some engineers and base force units. So either he grossly under estimated the garrison there or he has more than what you are seeing in SIGINT. The rule of thumb for an Atoll, my rule that is, you must have a 3-1 advantage when assaulting. Also you must land in the early phase so as to have two phases to offload and bombard. Good luck and good hunting.

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April 9th, 1944 - 8/18/2020 9:50:33 PM   
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The plan revealed. John will most likely attempt landings and his force is covered by one carrier force; furthermore he has another KB force that was hiding in the north, perhaps planning to try to come down on any Allied force sallying from Hawaii, very reminiscent of the actual Japanese Midway plan in a way. The real question is this: I now have 160 AV at Midway with level 4 forts. I can move back and simply let him try first before moving in. On the other hand, I am in prime position to potentially meet John's carriers in a turn with my fighters. While his carrier force is quite sizable, I do have a large advantage in fighters, at least based on the current numbers I'm seeing. I could move forward with CAP set to the full 100% for all 600 fighters to try and decimate his carriers bombers and make this a pure SCTF fight. I have lots of combat ships.

What would you do?


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