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WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 10/4/2020 7:15:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back in the 80s, G.Grigsby had two space games, one strategic and the other tactical where the results of both were integrated into the other. It really was a hoot!

Why can't we have that option here? And it could be an option. If you don't want to play it out on a tactical level you don't have to.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 10/10/2020 2:41:47 PM   
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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 10/10/2020 4:56:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I belive the developmenttime would increase massively to include such a feature and I wounder how popular such an addition would be...

The time comitment to play this game is already pretty big...how many would increase this furthet by regularely play out the tactical battles ?

And considdering that the most common unit is division sized...what would those tactical fights look like with multiple divitions on each side..

That would be an awful amount of units to handle on the tactical map...

So...no thank you !

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 10/10/2020 6:24:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The other issue that always occurs with these is that if playing out the tactical battle gives one an advantage (over the quick combat option), then everyone will feel compelled to play them out. Esp. if the AI in the quick battles is dumb as a box of grenades.

I sympathize, since I feel like those games which have that feature do provide a richer gameplay experience, but for this title it probably would prove impractical.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 2:47:55 PM   
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I belive the developmenttime would increase massively to include such a feature and I wounder how popular such an addition would be...

The time comitment to play this game is already pretty big...how many would increase this furthet by regularely play out the tactical battles ?

And considdering that the most common unit is division sized...what would those tactical fights look like with multiple divitions on each side..

That would be an awful amount of units to handle on the tactical map...

So...no thank you !



So don't play with the tactical option. I said it was an option. if they we're able to do that in the 1980s I would imagine they could do it today.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 2:48:47 PM   
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The other issue that always occurs with these is that if playing out the tactical battle gives one an advantage (over the quick combat option), then everyone will feel compelled to play them out. Esp. if the AI in the quick battles is dumb as a box of grenades.

I sympathize, since I feel like those games which have that feature do provide a richer gameplay experience, but for this title it probably would prove impractical.



How would it be impractical? If you don't like it don't use it.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 4:09:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah great ! But how long do you think the developmenttime on such a feature would be...?
If they do it they should do it well !
It will almost add an entirely new game to the existing one...
And HOW MANY would actually use it ?

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 4:46:39 PM   
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How would it be impractical? If you don't like it don't use it.


Because on this scale it would mean DOZENS of battles per turn. And as I said (and you glossed over) if humans can run tactical better than the AI, then everybody will do tactical (at least for important battles). It would greatly bog down the game to no real good end.

That said, in an idealized universe I can see that working, perhaps on a smaller scale than WitE uses. Note WitP shows the tactical battles in detail, but doesn't allow user input.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 7:59:44 PM   
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How would it be impractical? If you don't like it don't use it.


Because on this scale it would mean DOZENS of battles per turn. And as I said (and you glossed over) if humans can run tactical better than the AI, then everybody will do tactical (at least for important battles). It would greatly bog down the game to no real good end.

That said, in an idealized universe I can see that working, perhaps on a smaller scale than WitE uses. Note WitP shows the tactical battles in detail, but doesn't allow user input.



Hello!

I said it should be an "option". Don't like it? Don't play it.

Or let wait for WitE2 to come out and watch terribly unrealistic combat results that take years and years of patches to finally get right, if ever.

And, as you postulate, if humans can run battles better than the AI who would be against running said battles?

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 8:24:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		And, as you postulate, if humans can run battles better than the AI who would be against running said battles?
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Most people...I would guess.
With what you are suggesting a single turn would take FOREVER to finish ! It might be fun the first few times but after that it would become tedious...big time ! The progress in the war would move forward at snail pace and last...forever !
The game is simply to big in scope for this to be relistic.




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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 8:43:43 PM   
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And, as you postulate, if humans can run battles better than the AI who would be against running said battles?


Most people...I would guess.
With what you are suggesting a single turn would take FOREVER to finish ! It might be fun the first few times but after that it would become tedious...big time ! The progress in the war would move forward at snail pace and last...forever !
The game is simply to big in scope for this to be relistic.






What are you talking about? Did you not read where I said, "The OPTION...".

If you don't want to play it with the tactical interface you don't have to.

Just don't complain when WitE2 comes out with some hyper-flawed combat results.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 8:48:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		In your opinion...how large would the unitcount be in these tactical battles of yours ? Considdering that most battles will include atleast a divition on either side.
What unit size do you considder ? Individual squads and vehichles...or maybe platoon size units ?
Even if you go with platoonsize units you will need to controll hundreds of units on the tactical field.
How long will these battles take ? A single battle...In a single turn...

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/6/2020 9:19:10 PM   
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In your opinion...how large would the unitcount be in these tactical battles of yours ? Considdering that most battles will include atleast a divition on either side.
What unit size do you considder ? Individual squads and vehichles...or maybe platoon size units ?
Even if you go with platoonsize units you will need to controll hundreds of units on the tactical field.
How long will these battles take ? A single battle...In a single turn...



You scale it. If the battles begin with a 6-1 advantage in infantry and tanks then you fight some tactical battle at a 6-1 level. Type in the results and it is scaled up in damage and lost squads, vehicles and guns.


You don't fight each battle in a tactical manner-just pick whatever battle you might find interesting.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/7/2020 7:36:27 AM   
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Back in the 80s, G.Grigsby had two space games, one strategic and the other tactical where the results of both were integrated into the other. It really was a hoot!

Why can't we have that option here? And it could be an option. If you don't want to play it out on a tactical level you don't have to.



Because G.Grigsby has not made a space game?. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Grigsby

Why you cant have it here is prob to do with no one wanting such a childish idea in WiTE, children not being the target audience.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/7/2020 8:19:48 AM   
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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/7/2020 10:15:22 AM   
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Because G.Grigsby has not made a space game?. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Grigsby

Why you cant have it here is prob to do with no one wanting such a childish idea in WiTE, children not being the target audience.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/7/2020 10:19:48 AM   


And I want to feel minus 40C and taste of 200g vodka before assoult :-)

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/7/2020 12:53:27 PM   
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Back in the 80s, G.Grigsby had two space games, one strategic and the other tactical where the results of both were integrated into the other. It really was a hoot!

Why can't we have that option here? And it could be an option. If you don't want to play it out on a tactical level you don't have to.



Because G.Grigsby has not made a space game?. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Grigsby

Why you cant have it here is prob to do with no one wanting such a childish idea in WiTE, children not being the target audience.



Paul Murray. Thanks for the correction.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/8/2020 8:39:33 AM   
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Paul Murray. Thanks for the correction.


Correcting you look like being a full time job. So, not G Grigsby, but Cosmic Balance(CB) 1 and 2, an 8 bit game little more complicated than a modern spreadsheet, ( WiTE has more code in its combat sub routine than the entire CB series combined) where tactical combat in CB2 could be exported to CB1 but did not have a campaign layer in CB1, max of 8 units a side.


This is what it looked like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdqbTCNGEVk
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one strategic and the other tactical where the results of both were integrated into the other.


Nope you can only export from CB2 tactical battles into CB1, there was no strategic campaign in CB1, it being a tactical only game.

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/8/2020 6:10:45 PM   
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Paul Murray. Thanks for the correction.


Correcting you look like being a full time job. So, not G Grigsby, but Cosmic Balance(CB) 1 and 2, an 8 bit game little more complicated than a modern spreadsheet, ( WiTE has more code in its combat sub routine than the entire CB series combined) where tactical combat in CB2 could be exported to CB1 but did not have a campaign layer in CB1, max of 8 units a side.


This is what it looked like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdqbTCNGEVk
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one strategic and the other tactical where the results of both were integrated into the other.


Nope you can only export from CB2 tactical battles into CB1, there was no strategic campaign in CB1, it being a tactical only game.



Have a good week, Hanny!

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RE: WitE 2 with tactical option would be great - 11/17/2020 8:54:31 PM   
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