Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

I am 90% sure the SHQ does two passes - once with the limtis and once without the limits, in case there is logistics points left over.
That way to strict limits can not result in wasted points.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

Analysis:
- You got a massive bottleneck towards units. Only 2/3 of the supplies and 0% of the reinforcements made it through
- You need way more Logistics leftover for Zone deliveies. You need at least twice as much as your current limit
- You need way more Logistics leftover for Zone retreival as well. You need fours times as much as your current limit
I guess you went conquering and just overestimated how much building in the wake off your troops would tax your logistics.
You need to stop expanding. Possibly even fall back onto defensible/easier supplied terrain.
You definitely have a bottleneck towards your troops. But overall your logstics is overtaxes as well. Hopefully one upgrade will be enough to work off any piled up orders. You should post some screenshots in the main forum of SE so we can help.

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

Analysis:
- You got a massive bottleneck towards units. Only 2/3 of the supplies and 0% of the reinforcements made it through
- You need way more Logistics leftover for Zone deliveies. You need at least twice as much as your current limit
- You need way more Logistics leftover for Zone retreival as well. You need fours times as much as your current limit
I guess you went conquering and just overestimated how much building in the wake off your troops would tax your logistics.
You need to stop expanding. Possibly even fall back onto defensible/easier supplied terrain.
You definitely have a bottleneck towards your troops. But overall your logstics is overtaxes as well. Hopefully one upgrade will be enough to work off any piled up orders. You should post some screenshots in the main forum of SE so we can help.

All of this is pretty much irrelevant.

In that current turn, I had 24891 logistical points available. Out of all these, because of the logistics limitations, the points should be distributed like this in the first pass:
-7467 (30%) to SHQ -> Zone
-7467 (30%) to SHQ -> Unit
-4978 (20%) to Zone -> SHQ
-4978 (20%) to Replacements

You can even see the max points allowed in the first image; however, the game is not registering the limitation and is sending 20533 points to Zone -> SHQ instead of the 4978 max allowed, meaning there are no points left for replacements.

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

The only bottleneck is right next to the SHQ, and that's where the highest amount of logistical points are available (around 28000 in this turn). The north is pretty much the same, the maximum is yellow. All ground units are in supply range, those in the north do not need replacements. The ones that do need them are in the west.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

The only bottleneck is right next to the SHQ, and that's where the highest amount of logistical points are available (around 28000 in this turn). The north is pretty much the same, the maximum is yellow. All ground units are in supply range, those in the north do not need replacements. The ones that do need them are in the west.

Your Bottleneck is right at the SHQ, it seems. If that part is the weakest, that means you have to upgrade it's Logistics.
First the Zone Deliveries with limits happen
Second, Unit delivieres happen. I am going to go out on a limb and say the issue is the western front. You got a lot of untis there with contact to the enemy, so this is where fighting is happening. So I guess the North/Western way out of the city runs out of logistics.
So Zone Retreival, replacements and the 2nd pass without limits can only happen with the eastern part of th empire, until that too develops the bottleneck Southeast of the SHQ. But by that time, most of the LOogistics to the east happened.

At lest 1 upgrade of the SHQ Truckstop is nessesary. However it might be better to start using some railway lines. One line to a city in the East should fix it, sidestepping the need to use roads for the first half.

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

The only bottleneck is right next to the SHQ, and that's where the highest amount of logistical points are available (around 28000 in this turn). The north is pretty much the same, the maximum is yellow. All ground units are in supply range, those in the north do not need replacements. The ones that do need them are in the west.

Your Bottleneck is right at the SHQ, it seems. If that part is the weakest, that means you have to upgrade it's Logistics.
First the Zone Deliveries with limits happen
Second, Unit delivieres happen. I am going to go out on a limb and say the issue is the western front. You got a lot of untis there with contact to the enemy, so this is where fighting is happening. So I guess the North/Western way out of the city runs out of logistics.
So Zone Retreival, replacements and the 2nd pass without limits can only happen with the eastern part of th empire, until that too develops the bottleneck Southeast of the SHQ. But by that time, most of the LOogistics to the east happened.

At lest 1 upgrade of the SHQ Truckstop is nessesary. However it might be better to start using some railway lines. One line to a city in the East should fix it, sidestepping the need to use roads for the first half.

The SHQ part is the strongest with around 28000 logistical points and is using railways, the entire city network is railway going from one end to the other.

There is no fighting yet, not on the eastern front and not on the western front. There are no other bottlenecks aside from the one at the SHQ.

Of course more logistical points are going to solve everything, but the point is that it should not be sidestepping replacements when it is possible for it to send them.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

The only bottleneck is right next to the SHQ, and that's where the highest amount of logistical points are available (around 28000 in this turn). The north is pretty much the same, the maximum is yellow. All ground units are in supply range, those in the north do not need replacements. The ones that do need them are in the west.

Your Bottleneck is right at the SHQ, it seems. If that part is the weakest, that means you have to upgrade it's Logistics.
First the Zone Deliveries with limits happen
Second, Unit delivieres happen. I am going to go out on a limb and say the issue is the western front. You got a lot of untis there with contact to the enemy, so this is where fighting is happening. So I guess the North/Western way out of the city runs out of logistics.
So Zone Retreival, replacements and the 2nd pass without limits can only happen with the eastern part of th empire, until that too develops the bottleneck Southeast of the SHQ. But by that time, most of the LOogistics to the east happened.

At lest 1 upgrade of the SHQ Truckstop is nessesary. However it might be better to start using some railway lines. One line to a city in the East should fix it, sidestepping the need to use roads for the first half.

The SHQ part is the strongest with around 28000 logistical points and is using railways, the entire city network is railway going from one end to the other.

There is no fighting yet, not on the eastern front and not on the western front. There are no other bottlenecks aside from the one at the SHQ.

Of course more logistical points are going to solve everything, but the point is that it should not be sidestepping replacements when it is possible for it to send them.

It does not sidestep replacement.

Replacements and Supplies use exactly the same roads/raillines.
If supplies is only 2/3 finished, that is because they literally ran out of Logistics points.
If Logistics to the units already hits 0 during supply, there is nothing left for Replacements either.

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If the only bottleneck is in the SHQ, and there is a limitation of 30% logistic points on both units and zone supply, it should get to the replacement part without running out of logistics points first.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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If the only bottleneck is in the SHQ, and there is a limitation of 30% logistic points on both units and zone supply, it should get to the replacement part without running out of logistics points first.

What???

Again:
- It does Zone Deliveries
- It does Unit deliveries, but runs out of Logistics at 2189/3094 or 2722/3034
- Ir does Zone retreival, but it is out of Logistics
- It does Unit Replacements, but is out of Logistics

2nd pass without Limits:
- It does Zone Deliveries without Limits, but is out of Logistics
- It does Unit Deliveries without Limits, but is out of Logistics
- It does Zone Reteival without Limits, but is out of Logistics
- It does Replacement without Limits, but is out of Logistics

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ORIGINAL: redrum68
Can you try setting SHQ > Unit to 0% and Zone > SHQ to 0% then see if you get replacements? This should show whether the logistics to units runs out during the earlier phases therefore not leaving anything for replacements.

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Do you see how the SHQ -> Zone uses 3341 points, and SHQ -> Unit uses 1311? 4751 points are not enough to cause a bottleneck in a place where there's 29689 points total.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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Do you see how the SHQ -> Zone uses 3341 points, and SHQ -> Unit uses 1311? 4751 points are not enough to cause a bottleneck in a place where there's 29689 points total.

30k for all directions together.
Split over 6 directions by the pull point system, wich is in part based on the previous turns draw.
By simple math, that leaves on average 4948 per for each direction.

Example:
If you got 29689 Logsitcs under the SHQ.
The 5 other directions need 24938.
That leaves 4751 for that direction.

The end result is still the same: "Boss, we simply do not have enough trucks/trains to fullfill all the demand!"

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No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

No, that was the "initial points" overlay. This is the "used points" overlay, and the numbers match.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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ORIGINAL: Akrakorn

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

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No, the railway system is pretty much a line with the "6 directions" feeding into this single line, you can see it has used 28349 logistic points that turn on that single direction. The cities are surrounded by railway stations that feed into the main line. I use traffic signs to block logistic points from feeding into the single-hex railstations, so the logistic points DO NOT get split.

Those numbers do not add up:
If one direction has 28349 and the other has 9279 the SHQ should have 37628 total logistics from Railway alone!
As it only has 29689 and 28349 go west, that means there is only a connection of 1340 going to that first hex going east.

You somehow cut the railline comming from the east. Game propably has to use the lower 10% of capacity or trucks to move goods to the station literally one hex outside the city.
I would guess it is that 95% block on a main artery, set to also affect pull points!

No, that was the "initial points" overlay. This is the "used points" overlay, and the numbers match.

You already said the issue is the eastern army not getting supplies.
The east, for wich only 2212 of the 9200 points are used.
The east, wich wich the numbers do not add up on under the SHQ and the first Hex outside it.
The east, for wich a bottleneck was displayed right between those two hexes.

The Initial poitns where eactly what was needed for debugging this.

You messed up. It happens. You now know how and why. Just fix it.

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he says that "There is no railway station in the city itself, so the points do not get refocused". Does this not mean that the city has only access to 5 percent of the throughput from all the rail capacity built around the city?

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ORIGINAL: whollaborg

As @Akrakorn is now surrendering our game I dear to peek in to this post.

he says that "There is no railway station in the city itself, so the points do not get refocused". Does this not mean that the city has only access to 5 percent of the throughput from all the rail capacity built around the city? Also, because the truckstations stop some of the through going supply points, if I remember correctly, maybe the capital city stops some of the supply points starting from those railstations whose only one hex rail goes to city.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

The city only has directly access to the free part of the Railway logistics.

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ORIGINAL: zgrssd

However trucks can ship the goods out of the city hex, to the railway hexes and from there let them go by train.
But the whole point of a Railway system is to get Logistics useage off the roads. Not putting a station directly under the SHQ breaks that.

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No, because the city and the cities surrounding it have railheads. Truckstations do not refocus rail points.

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I really do not know what you mean by this. Trucks are not shipping anything to the railway hexes because the railway hexes are generating their own points. There is 0 need to put a station under an SHQ, it doesn't break anything. As long as point A and point B are connected, all points between A and B have full access to the logistic system, regardless of what is on them.