Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: DeepBlack

Drang Nach Osten - An old monster board game.

Similar to getting too high and ordering six Big Macs
to assuage the munchies, then realizing there is no way
in hell you can eat all those Big Macs.

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ORIGINAL: Platoonist

The Longest Day by Avalon Hill. Not nearly as complicated as some monster games but bad enough.

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ORIGINAL: Zovs

ASL

But being persistent for 30+ years pays off and the complexity fades away.

The Europa Series, each part of the game system is easy to understand but putting it all together makes it complex.

Battlelines Air Force, even though the map was blank, figuring out the altitude in your head and range to target was too much when I was a teenager.

Ney vs Wellington (and Cassino), the elevation and LOS was a complex nightmare for a 17 year old.

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

For non-wargaming, well, I'd pick any mainstream role game system. For instance, the cliche Dungeons and Dragons. Just try being the person in charge of running it. That's the definition of complicated.

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

4E was a disaster: D&D by J.J.Abrams, if you get my drift.

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

4E was a disaster: D&D by J.J.Abrams, if you get my drift.

OT but I think J.J. Abrams is good at disaster. Star Trek, disaster. Star Wars, disaster.

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ORIGINAL: UP844

Air War by SPI... I still have nightmares about it

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

World in Flames.

By the time my friend and I had set up Global War, we'd generally be knackered and take a break for a few beers. We'd play, but as we were beginners, we were slow. Eventually my girlfriend would get sick of all the maps and charts set up and we'd put it away.

Matrix World in Flames is radically faster to play. There's movement on the AI front too, for those not in the know. Steve is starting with the Barbarossa scenario but plenty of groundwork has been done by expert players for everything up to Global War.

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ORIGINAL: Zovs
[8.55] Fade-Back Deceleration
As indicated in the rules for Diving (10.4), an aircraft that pulls out of a dive has its Movement Allowance reduced to its Throttle Setting immediately, and does not undergo "Creep Deceleration" in the same way that aircraft pulling out of climbs undergo Creeping acceleration. However, an aircraft that pulls out of a dive may, on the turn that it enters Level Flight execute fade-back deceleration; this means that, for this Game-Turn only, the aircraft's Movement Allowance is only decreased by one point, rather than to the aircraft's Throttle Setting. On the next Game-Turn, the aircraft must decrease its Movement Allowance to its Throttle Setting; fade-back deceleration may only be executed on the Game-Turn that an aircraft pulls out of a dive.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: Zovs
[8.55] Fade-Back Deceleration
As indicated in the rules for Diving (10.4), an aircraft that pulls out of a dive has its Movement Allowance reduced to its Throttle Setting immediately, and does not undergo "Creep Deceleration" in the same way that aircraft pulling out of climbs undergo Creeping acceleration. However, an aircraft that pulls out of a dive may, on the turn that it enters Level Flight execute fade-back deceleration; this means that, for this Game-Turn only, the aircraft's Movement Allowance is only decreased by one point, rather than to the aircraft's Throttle Setting. On the next Game-Turn, the aircraft must decrease its Movement Allowance to its Throttle Setting; fade-back deceleration may only be executed on the Game-Turn that an aircraft pulls out of a dive.

I'll pass!

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ORIGINAL: Zovs

[8.55] Fade-Back Deceleration
As indicated in the rules for Diving (10.4), an aircraft that pulls out of a dive has its Movement Allowance reduced to its Throttle Setting immediately, and does not undergo "Creep Deceleration" in the same way that aircraft pulling out of climbs undergo Creeping acceleration. However, an aircraft that pulls out of a dive may, on the turn that it enters Level Flight execute fade-back deceleration; this means that, for this Game-Turn only, the aircraft's Movement Allowance is only decreased by one point, rather than to the aircraft's Throttle Setting. On the next Game-Turn, the aircraft must decrease its Movement Allowance to its Throttle Setting; fade-back deceleration may only be executed on the Game-Turn that an aircraft pulls out of a dive.

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ORIGINAL: Zovs

From Air Force manual:

An aircraft which ends the Game-Turn in a non-Level Bank attitude must loose 100 feet of altitude unless it performed a non-banking maneuver during that Game-Turn. This altitude loss is determined during the Status Determination Phase following the plot of the non maneuvering banked aircraft, and affects its next turn's altitude.

The Deflection Modifier
This modifier is used to figure the effect of deflection. To determine the Deflection Modifier, figure the difference of the clock positions of the opposing aircraft relative to each other. Add the modifier shown for the resulting difference to the total Hit Table Modifiers. Ad one more if the firing aircraft currently meets Advantage Requirements.

SPI's Air War

[4.5] THE MOVEMENT, THROTTLE, AND ENGERY POINTS TRACK OF THE AIRCRAFT AND MISSLE CONTROL DISPLAY
[4.51] The Movement, Throttle, and Engery Points Track carries three aircraft control markers: The Movement Allowance marker; the Throttle Setting marker; and the Engergy Point marker.

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[8.55] Fade-Back Deceleration
As indicated in the rules for Diving (10.4), an aircraft that pulls out of a dive has its Movement Allowance reduced to its Throttle Setting immediately, and does not undergo "Creep Deceleration" in the same way that aircraft pulling out of climbs undergo Creeping acceleration. However, an aircraft that pulls out of a dive may, on the turn that it enters Level Flight execute fade-back deceleration; this means that, for this Game-Turn only, the aircraft's Movement Allowance is only decreased by one point, rather than to the aircraft's Throttle Setting. On the next Game-Turn, the aircraft must decrease its Movement Allowance to its Throttle Setting; fade-back deceleration may only be executed on the Game-Turn that an aircraft pulls out of a dive.

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ORIGINAL: Perturabo
These kinds of games just beg for some kind of a series of training scenarios that would focus on learning these rules one by one or something.