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ORIGINAL: bairdlander2

I used the AI pre set missions as Axis.Changed ground attack to all 7 days and intensity to high as well as set target to units.Results of air losses.

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ORIGINAL: loki100
Second, its far easier to destroy planes on the ground than in #1, so plan your ground moves with a half an eye on large airbases where you suspect there must be a lot of damaged planes. that can add 1000 or so to your air phase cull.

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ORIGINAL: Speedysteve

I haven’t run it yet but with D1 being the day when the VVS are all on the ground drinking vodka and smoking I’ll maximise airfield attacks then and my current logic says stagger a mixture of CS and Interdiction missions through the rest of the week at medium intensity. I’ll play around with that when I start my first campaign later after my curry and beers🤪

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander2

I used the AI pre set missions as Axis.Changed ground attack to all 7 days and intensity to high as well as set target to units.Results of air losses.

WOAH!

You won't have any German Airplanes left at that rate. I personally don't use the AI pre-set at all. Of course I don't mind micro-managing everything in the game and as such you can see in my snapshot below the differences. There is a learning curve but well worth it if you don't mind managing your Air Force.


This is what I get for Turn 1 and only fly "only" the 1st day bombing missions for comparison. (this is from the last Beta AAR game I did) You really can't fly the airforce into the ground (nor the ground troops either or you are going to pay a price)

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ORIGINAL: Searry

Do you bomb most of the airfields only once? Do you have 1 mission per airfield except in the bialystok area and in areas where there's a good opportunity to easily bomb 2 airfields next to each other if they both have either bombers only or fighters only? No air superiority missions. Also, switch your bombers to have the biggest number of 50kg bombs.

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ORIGINAL: dudefan

Air superiority missions as well?

Even though i only do Medium intensity day1 bombing I lose at least 500 and destroy around 2500-3000

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander2

I used the AI pre set missions as Axis.Changed ground attack to all 7 days and intensity to high as well as set target to units.Results of air losses.

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

the more you take out on the ground, the less you have to deal with on later turns in the air, so plan, then plan again,

then go back to the manual and read,

then read again, then play and plan again.

after a few losses,

some hair loss,... some games ended early, some tantrums and shouts at the pc,....

and some more time learning the game you think you know, you soon learn Air takes out ground targets, then tanks & Mech units roll over airfields,

which in turn leaves little left,.... apart from what's not in range, or brought in from elsewhere etc etc...

but after saying all that, Russia is vast, and not only is the land never ending, Mother Russia learns

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ORIGINAL: Searry

Last time I reached 4200 planes destroyed on the ground after the ground movement was over. The new AOG assigning mechanic is useful in this as your fighters can run many many missions, of course this will cause ops losses of around the same amount as in that image. 3700 is a good target for the air phase.
You want to have all the bases with fighters on very high priority and first on the list and then work down to bomber bases but if you stray too far enemy fighters in their rear will absolutely maul your unescorted bombers.
An altitude of 7k feet is good as it's below the most effective part of low AA.

Even if you feel very tempted, don't use fuel tanks on your F-2s, the ops losses will rack up suddenly and massively.

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ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

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ORIGINAL: Searry

Last time I reached 4200 planes destroyed on the ground after the ground movement was over. The new AOG assigning mechanic is useful in this as your fighters can run many many missions, of course this will cause ops losses of around the same amount as in that image. 3700 is a good target for the air phase.
You want to have all the bases with fighters on very high priority and first on the list and then work down to bomber bases but if you stray too far enemy fighters in their rear will absolutely maul your unescorted bombers.
An altitude of 7k feet is good as it's below the most effective part of low AA.

Even if you feel very tempted, don't use fuel tanks on your F-2s, the ops losses will rack up suddenly and massively.

3700? What was it in reality?

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ORIGINAL: dudefan

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander2

I used the AI pre set missions as Axis.Changed ground attack to all 7 days and intensity to high as well as set target to units.Results of air losses.

WOAH!

You won't have any German Airplanes left at that rate. I personally don't use the AI pre-set at all. Of course I don't mind micro-managing everything in the game and as such you can see in my snapshot below the differences. There is a learning curve but well worth it if you don't mind managing your Air Force.


This is what I get for Turn 1 and only fly "only" the 1st day bombing missions for comparison. (this is from the last Beta AAR game I did) You really can't fly the airforce into the ground (nor the ground troops either or you are going to pay a price)

Whoa. Can you send a screenshot of your directives?what altitude do you use?

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

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3. But the Air Directives are executed in the order in which you define them.
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ORIGINAL: loki100

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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

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3. But the Air Directives are executed in the order in which you define them.
...

with the very important proviso, that this is weighted by priority. So the missions execute in priority order first and then in the order you created them:

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ORIGINAL: Bamilus

Thanks for tips, guys. Using single hex ground attacks, prioritizing fighter bombs first, and not going past escort range, first turn I was able to get 2200 soviet air losses vs 100 axis. I know it's not great but way better than the 400-500 axis losses vs 2000-2500 soviet losses the default AI settings give you.

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ORIGINAL: CapAndGown

quote "1 bombing mission per airfield"

Since you only get 10 air directives that would seem to mean only 30 airfields bombed (10 per Luftflotte) with no ground support or recon. I am not understanding. Is this what is intended?

Could someone walk be through step-by-step of how to set up air doctrines on the first turn? From just running the AI assist missions in my few test runs it seems clear that AI assist is totally inadequate.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: dudefan

Air superiority missions as well?

Even though i only do Medium intensity day1 bombing I lose at least 500 and destroy around 2500-3000

1. The order in which you bomb Soviet air bases matter.

2. Altitude matters.

3. Bomb load out matters (I know many in BETA said it does not but it does, this goes hand-in-hand with altitude)

4. I don't fly Air Superiority missions 1st turn.

5. Anything bombing past 8 - 10 hexes requires an escort of fighter(s). Otherwise you are going to get mauled if intercepted flying un-escorted on the first turn. I do use drop tanks but only when needed.

6. I don't do wide hex bombing.