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ORIGINAL: stjeand

I would be happy to play someone that tries the rolling armor. I have tried that there is just does not seem to be enough hexes to do that in the front.
Maybe I am not playing well.


I guess we would need to test it. Maybe we just do not need a fix for it...Just play better.
I don't really use most of the UK starting units. I might use 1...but mostly just builds.

In the one I am playtesting I have...

UK 2 Armor / 2 Mech / 5 Inf
France 1 Armor and not sure...a lot of Inf.


Any screen shots? I want to see what you had set up...
How many trucks did you use? Honestly I stopped using them completely. Cost appears to be above the gain, at least for me but then maybe I am wrong as I went through 100 points in 3 turns. The return is just 2 more attacks per unit. Maybe that is good and what need to occur.

Not sure how you did not get the UK units to Africa though. As soon as a unit is worn...hit the rail lines to the south and transport out to Africa.

I will have to retest.

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Sorry Silly but you have raised a very valid point with the all-in strategy but you are against weakening the UK, you are against weakening the Canadian, you are against weakening the French.
So, what shall we do? Boosting the Germans?

I am quite sure the in-game mechanisms won't allow to do a limitation of 4-5 UK corps in France in 1940. But, this is what I like in the game, you can do a strategy not based on events.

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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

What I am doing

Fixing the French Fleet support from port issue. They shouldnt be able to

Air units now will only intercept naval when set to naval mission, but still support land. It will be just like supply interdiction.

I reduced the starting UK forces back to historical now that the game has been flushed out. I had to add to their forces to prevent an easy German invasion. But since we improved invasion rules and added naval rules I can put them back to historical. They will lose about 100 starting strength but all of these are repairs not raw builds. So this should put even more pressure on the decision to go all out in France or not. I don't want players quitting in August 1940 because it is too hard. Not fair to anyone. Like every game I make your decisions are a balance of give and take with a zero sum outcome if your opponent plays optimally. In this case how fast do you want France to fall? The range should be June to August.

Disposable French Fleet - I am considering how to implement a morale adjustment for lost ships for countries you can negotiate a surrender with. This basically would translate into a smaller Vichy, earlier surrender, or possible capture of naval groups for the Axis. Still deciding.

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I wouldn't mind testing this as the German. While in my test game I took Paris, what I can't be sure of is whether the German suffered to much damage to be able to take on Russia. Also, whether they had the strength and time to take Egypt. The victory in France could easily be the place where the German Army is crippled. Might end up a short game.

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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

A shatter isn't a loss. It goes to the queue.

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ORIGINAL: stjeand

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I wouldn't mind testing this as the German. While in my test game I took Paris, what I can't be sure of is whether the German suffered to much damage to be able to take on Russia. Also, whether they had the strength and time to take Egypt. The victory in France could easily be the place where the German Army is crippled. Might end up a short game.

If the Germans did not lose any units then you should be good...
The issue is lost units.
In our testing 3 to 6 corps are lost...and usually 1 or 2 are armor. That ends the game.

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ORIGINAL: kennonlightfoot

Here is what my hot seat game looked like on May 10th. I think I moved over two more Br small Corps after this screen shot.

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ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

After the tests carried out against Hadros, Stjeand and NCC I think the biggest problem as indicated by NCC and now Hadros is that the Corps and armored units break very easily. The casualties may be bearable for the Axis but the loss of units is irreplaceable.

Of the proposed solutions, the one I like the most is to delay Allies technology, this would force to invest in escorts without delay and would make the fall of France easier, the All-in strategy would be a suicide.

What happens when there is no all-in strategy is that the surplus troops are sent to the Middle East, this in part would also be solved.

IMHO a possible easy solution would be to not let the Allied troops upgrade until the fall of France. It's that simple, without making any more changes.

I'm also concerned about how easy it is for tanks and Corps to break now due to the latest change: ´´ Losses have also been mitigated by 10% in the latest patch. So 10% of all land combat losses are reverted to effectiveness losses.´´

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So the question is: If the German's take Paris by August how does that effect the game in the long term?
Can the UK defend Egypt?
Can the Germans and Italians take Egypt before the British can reinforce it?
Can the Germans support a Mediterranean plan and still be ready to invade Russia in 41?
Will the UK be able to survive in the Atlantic so it can lend any support to Russia?

There is also an alternate path for the Germans. A Mediterranean and Sealion path instead of invading Russia in 41.
In this they would take all of the Mediterranean including Gibraltar. This would allow them to use Italian troops to garrison France.
Against England do a mini-Sealion. Just take the cities and ports that don't trigger US bonuses. Just run around playing hell with the UK economy and destroying any units that come out of the VP cities. Basically turn the UK into an Italy like ally for the US.

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ORIGINAL: stjeand

The only time I can ever do okay in Africa is if the Allies forget Syria...which is rare.
I did it once...and won't again.

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

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Or as I said reduce the number of labs for UK and for France. Oblige them to concentrate on something at the cost of another technology. We can perfectly divide the UK labs by two and add labs to UK two turns after each country surrender

I think it is better to leave the investigation as it is, so as not to create new problems.

Maybe as a first step, only not allow to use the updates until the fall of France?
Weaker France
Weakest RAF
France falls on a historic date
Germany less casualties

But trouble, Yugoslavia and Greece will fall easy, and All-in France will move to All-In Middle East.

The more I think about it, the more difficult I see a solution that does not unbalance the game at some point in the game.

Some kind of BEF and Middle East troop limit?

I think I'll let someone smarter than me fix it (:

(in reply to ncc1701e)

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ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

A shatter isn't a loss. It goes to the queue.

Sorry, I think you're confused (:
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I'm sure Alvaro wrote somewhere that after a shatter you get a small % of PP of those steps not already killed

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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

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ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

A shatter isn't a loss. It goes to the queue.

Sorry, I think you're confused (:

I'm sure Alvaro wrote somewhere that after a shatter you get a small % of PP of those steps not already killed

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ORIGINAL: stjeand

Now could Germany invade the UK? Maybe...they could try but they have to take the French coast first. And at the moment the British navy is in the channel.

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ORIGINAL: stjeand

So just completed the campaign in France with ComadrejaKorp.