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ORIGINAL: carlkay58
Hanny:
The rail net as Loki referred to is the repaired and functioning rail net. Yes it is bound by the historical rail lines as noted on the map but Loki may not have repaired/converted the same rails as the Axis did historically.
Kiev is in reciept of rail freight so he has a functioning rail line, i dont see how he could be asking a question thats impossible to answer, as you suggest he did.
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ORIGINAL: carlkay58
Historically the Axis captured the two major cities in the Dnepr River bend before Kiev fell. Those railyards are completely repaired by the time Kiev fell so they would be able to use their railyards to help the capacity in Kiev in the game. Loki's game does not include those railyards as of yet.
How does capacity in those cities increase capacity at kiev?, which game rule are you thinking applies here. In any event he has a double line in working order, his 4 sending locations all arrive in a 48 period over the 7 day logistical period, so there is massive unused line capacity, he achieved 5k, line capacity for double line is maxed out in game at 30000t, so you would need 2 double lines to move 60k in a week to Kiev is that what you mean? having more depots pushing supplies to Kiev, so Kiev can forward on more ina 7 day period and still try and create stocks to fill its own capacity. I think thats what you mean, is that right?.
If so it helps in game, as a single 30000t a double line max capacity is 30000/7/450 so 10 trains in a week, the line is maxed out at 10 trains a week, does that seem low to you?, it did to the Germans, who ran 94 trains a day in late 42, 136 trains a day from Kiev in 43.
German pre invasion capacity.
April 1940 the Reichsbahn started the Otto Program to upgrade the tracks using 30,000 workers and 300,000 tonnes of steel from the Heer allocation. This produced eight trunk lines from north to south: VII Berlin–Danzig–Lublin–Rowne–Kiev: 24 train pairs a day. What we are interested in is Kiev planned 48 trains a day capacity, the SU was running 60 train pairs a day on the same line up to start of war. So winter of 42, was when 24 pairs was achieved.
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ORIGINAL: carlkay58
The Germans did plan to have 75 train loads of supplies delivered each day in 41. However they fell extremely short of that goal. AGC reports that they were only receiving 12 to 15 trains per day in September before the rains hit. So less than 20% of what was calculated as needed.
AGC in July 14 trains, August 24, Sept drops back to July numbers, Ill do July from Halders diary http://militera.lib.ru/db/0/pdf/halder_eng6.pdf
Halder diary, page 203 6th July AGC requires 21 trains a day. Page 242 Wagner guarantees 14 @6300 tons. Page 246 what that translates into combat loads."To meet all supply requirements we have available: As of 18 July, 14 trains; 22 trains are necessary to catch up with the three Armies into the areas newly occupied".
Ie between 6th and 18th July 14*12=168 promised, 146 delivered.
So 6th AGC requires 21*12 days.
QM promises 14 a day, 14*12=168
QM delivers 146/12= 12 a day, =146.
32,000/24 =1333
AGC 21*12 =252*1333=335916 tons.
QM promises 168*1333=223944 tons
QM delivers=146*1333= 194618 tons.
AGC requires 335916
QM delivers 194618
58% of requirement met.
August, AGC gets double July delverd, in Sept for typhon, supply branch of the OKH warned Brauchitsch, Halder and Bock 'if the intensity of fighting and the operational rythm was to be similar to that of the summer campaign, the supply system would be able to cover a bit over 50% of AGC's needs for a space of time of two weeks. More than that, and the system would collapse and the it would be able to deliver just between 10-20% of the total load of supplies needed'.
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ORIGINAL: carlkay58
As far as I know, the only AG that came close to receiving what it needed was AGN and that was helped immensely by both the Baltic ports and rail system that did not require conversion but just repair. Also all rolling stock in the Baltic States that were captured were able to be used on the rail system while the other AGs encountered the fact that Soviet rolling stock was broad gauge and could not be used once the tracks were converted to European gauge without major revisions.
Yes that all helped a lot, what did not help was the Pzr corps getting to Divina 100 miles ahead of its supporting Inf, and running out of POL, it sent back its entire supply lift along with the QMs, and it was ambushed mostly lost, the result was an Inf Army had their trucks taken away to replace them, making it less mobile.
Other things also had an influence, for the first 90 days.
AGN replacement manpower 55000
AGC replacement manpower 161000
At 14 men to a ton, AGN used 3900 tons of rail freight to replace 78% of its losses, AGC 11500 to replace 82%, AGN used 9 trains, AGC used 25. 16 more trains of x w z for AGC from the choice of using AGC for the next major operation from replacements alone.
< Message edited by Hanny -- 4/23/2021 7:16:54 PM >
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