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East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 3:04:11 PM

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I try to buy most East Front games that come out, just to encourage the others, but the last month or so has been brutal...first WitE2, then the long-overdue expansion module for Combat Mission Red Thunder, now JTS Kiev '43. I'm sure I'll end up buying them all eventually, but now sure when I'll find the time to play them all.

So far WitE2 is seems more complicated than I remember WitE as being...

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 3:28:44 PM

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Once you get the hang of WitE2 then...

You forgot UoC II's Barbarossa DLC.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 3:43:49 PM

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You forgot UoC II's Barbarossa DLC.

Didn't actually buy UoC, IIRC it looked a little too beer-and-pretzel for me, unless I'm confusing it with another game. In any event, I don't have it (yet).

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 4:52:39 PM

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It's different, kind of beer and pretzel like, but its pretty fun and addictive.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 5:46:54 PM

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UoC? University of Connecticut? They've had some good basketball teams.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 7:19:40 PM

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UoC? University of Connecticut? They've had some good basketball teams.

You liked the look of those basketball teams but you would not even look at the Pittsburgh Rebellion?

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 9:26:19 PM

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UoC? University of Connecticut? They've had some good basketball teams.

You liked the look of those basketball teams but you would not even look at the Pittsburgh Rebellion?

Leave me the hell alone. Go harass someone else.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 9:32:48 PM

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Once you get the hang of WitE2 then...

You forgot UoC II's Barbarossa DLC.

Zovs, what game is UoC? I'm not very good with figuring that stuff out.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 9:34:39 PM

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Once you get the hang of WitE2 then...

You forgot UoC II's Barbarossa DLC.

Zovs, what game is UoC? I'm not very good with figuring that stuff out.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/14/2021 10:25:51 PM

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Once you get the hang of WitE2 then...

You forgot UoC II's Barbarossa DLC.

Zovs, what game is UoC? I'm not very good with figuring that stuff out.

Unity of Command. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=1008

Ah thanks.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 8:07:22 AM

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Sorry it�s Unity of Command II

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 10:45:25 AM

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I didn't think you could get too many east front games! Ha!

I can't, really...I just like them to be slightly more spread out!

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 12:19:03 PM

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I didn't think you could get too many east front games! Ha!

I can't, really...I just like them to be slightly more spread out!

Aye.

Would be nice to have more that take place in 41 and 42. Like a campaign covering south of Rostov in 42. Currently the seem to concentrate on Stalingrad 42 to the end of the war.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 1:39:06 PM

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I didn't think you could get too many east front games! Ha!

Still waiting for a decent Russian Campaign style computer game. German Corps/Russian Armies, monthly turns, etc. Not all of us want to micromanage hundreds of divisions with weekly turns. Barbarojja has potential, but the developers quit and left yet another halfway decent game to languish unfinished. Ditto for Russian Front. WTF? It cannot be that hard. If devs are going to put effort into making a game, then make it right. Grrr.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 1:47:31 PM

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I didn't think you could get too many east front games! Ha!

Still waiting for a decent Russian Campaign style computer game. German Corps/Russian Armies, monthly turns, etc. Not all of us want to micromanage hundreds of divisions with weekly turns. Barbarojja has potential, but the developers quit and left yet another halfway decent game to languish unfinished. Ditto for Russian Front. WTF? It cannot be that hard. If devs are going to put effort into making a game, then make it right. Grrr.

A game like that would have to have some good meat (details) since monthly turns would only be 44-50 turns.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 2:21:35 PM

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Would be nice to have more that take place in 41 and 42. Like a campaign covering south of Rostov in 42. Currently the seem to concentrate on Stalingrad 42 to the end of the war.

Agreed, and I stopped buying Kursk games long ago. Just not a very fun battle...

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 2:23:15 PM

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I really like the scale and scope of the JTS games; they cover individual operations, many of which are very interesting, on a more granular scale than something like WitE2.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 4:35:28 PM

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A game like that would have to have some good meat (details) since monthly turns would only be 44-50 turns.

Not necessarily. A game like AH Russian Campaign was/is a fun game to play and replay. Sometimes, too many details and micromanaging everything down to a gnat's ass sucks the fun out a game. Some of us still enjoy simple gameplay moreso than having to "work" to have some fun with a simulator. Whatever. Bottom line is that I did not play WITE much at all and have not gotten WITE2. I may pick it later this year with my anniversary coupon and see what the smaller operational scenarios are like, but I'd rather see a decent remake of Russian Campaign one of these days. FWIW...

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/15/2021 9:13:35 PM

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Still waiting for a decent Russian Campaign style computer game.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/16/2021 11:32:55 AM

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/16/2021 6:16:37 PM

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Still waiting for a decent Russian Campaign style computer game.

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Missed this one when it came out, Steve. I note TOAW-IV has a default Russian Campaign 1941-1945 scenario. So I downloaded yours and renamed it AH Russian Campaign 1941-1945. I will give it a go one of these days. I have not been too keen about TOAW game mechanics but maybe this will draw me back in. Thx.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/16/2021 6:18:18 PM

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/18/2021 1:03:46 PM

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Still waiting for a decent Russian Campaign style computer game.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4417932

Missed this one when it came out, Steve. I note TOAW-IV has a default Russian Campaign 1941-1945 scenario. So I downloaded yours and renamed it AH Russian Campaign 1941-1945. I will give it a go one of these days. I have not been too keen about TOAW game mechanics but maybe this will draw me back in. Thx.

Of interest, in III this one worked poorly, but with the month long turns in IV out of supply units will generally evaporate. This is exactly how some boardgames worked, including this one. So you can eliminate chunks of the enemy just like the good ole days.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/18/2021 2:10:26 PM

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Panzer Corps 2 as well, though if you're on the fence just wait a year or two until they come up with all the DLC up to 1945.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/18/2021 3:22:24 PM

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Greetings 76mm,
I too feel the weight of East Front games and trying to decide which ones are the best bet.
At 69 years old I no longer have much interest in high learning curves and long turn times.
As much as i feel the attraction to East Front 2, JTS Kiev '43 and Schwerpunkt World War II I would not play them.

I opted to get Combat Mission Fire & Rubble and deal with soviet partisans. Currently trying to get my swimmwagan with order messenger across a river guarded by partisans. Took three ties to get the swimmwagen to swimm safely. Now on to more scenarios to reach Berlin and the Volksstrumm.

Also purchased Bloody Streets: Assault on Berlin 2nd edition which comes with a separate mapbook to use with Fire & Rubble.
https://www.amazon.com/Bloody-Streets-Soviet-Assault-Berlin/dp/1912866137

However, I would jump at JTS Panzer Campaign Berlin '45 or Bautzen '45
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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/18/2021 6:38:05 PM

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As much as i feel the attraction to East Front 2, JTS Kiev '43 and Schwerpunkt World War II I would not play them.

You do realize only the first game you mention has a steep learning curve. The others not so much and all of them have smaller scenarios that don't take long at all to play.

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RE: East Front Overload... - 5/18/2021 6:53:55 PM

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I too feel the weight of East Front games and trying to decide which ones are the best bet.
At 69 years old I no longer have much interest in high learning curves and long turn times.
As much as i feel the attraction to East Front 2, JTS Kiev '43 and Schwerpunkt World War II I would not play them.

I opted to get Combat Mission Fire & Rubble and deal with soviet partisans.

I'll get Fire & Rubble sooner or later but have more or less lost interest in the Combat Mission franchise. Too much modern content, too little East Front content, just not my thing. And most of the scenarios I played in CMRT were too puzzle-like for my taste, you had to play them in a certain way to have any chance. Also not my thing.

For me there is no learning curve for the JTS games, I've played enough of them that it is old hat at this point. The main thing is to re-install autohotkey when necessary, so that I can use my full suite of hotkeys, and then remembering them.

I never bought Schwerpunkt, I generally don't buy games without full-fledged editors; I've made an exception for the JTS games (although they lack a map editor) because the other editors are pretty good and I like the games otherwise.

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