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RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/26/2021 1:15:12 PM   
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Playing Road to Leningrad as Sov vs AI. Up to Turn 3 there is no production of MiG-3 and IL-2. Since I am playing a mod, I retry using the stock scenario HvH without making any moves. The prod for Sov upto Turn 3 is shown in pic. Is it a bug?

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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/26/2021 1:20:56 PM   
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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/26/2021 9:13:28 PM   
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You'll start getting some on turn 4. Not exactly sure why you're not getting them sooner, or why more of the airframes aren't being turned into aircraft after turn 3. I don't think the scenario designer would want more going into the scenario in any case, but I'll ask if there's another factor that is coming into play here.

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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/29/2021 11:12:25 AM   
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Any update? I am not sure if this is an issue confined to the Road to Leningrad scenario.

I use the 41 Campaign to test by playing HvH without making any move. The production of MiG-3 and IL-2 in the first 5 turns are,

MiG-3 : 0, 130, 101, 130, 115
IL-2: 0, 123, 0, 139, 0

The production rate as reported in the production screen are af:130 and af:145 for MiG-3 and IL-2 respectively. In most of the time the production is less than the expected max despite airframes available in the stock. I have not attached a save as I think you can easily reproduce this from your side.









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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/29/2021 10:16:25 PM   
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Gary told me the following a few months back:

A/c will only build if number of airframes in pool is >= build limit of the aircraft. Would that explain what you are sseeing?

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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/29/2021 11:17:46 PM   
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Never ben a fan of these aircraft build restictions.
I hope this rule from Gary is adjusted by the 'production usage' limits as set by scenarios ?
With 20% set for soviets in RtL this actual build threshhold should be much lower

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RE: RtL Sov no prod of MiG-3 and IL-2 - 5/30/2021 9:33:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Gary told me the following a few months back:

A/c will only build if number of airframes in pool is >= build limit of the aircraft. Would that explain what you are sseeing?


Thank you for the information. I set out below the aircraft production and airframe stock in T1 to T5 of my Road to Leningrad and 41 Campaign test cases for reference:

--- Data ---
A. Road to Leningrad scenario test
MiG-3 aircraft production limit af:130; airframe production rate 130/turn; scenario production 20% - actual observed prod rate of airframe 26/turn
* Aircraft Produced : 0, 0, 0, 17, 15 (for Turn 1 to Turn 5 respectively)
* Airframe Stock before production: 72, 98, 124, 133, 144
IL-2 aircraft production limit af:145, airframe production rate 78/turn; scenario production 20% - actual observed prod rate of airframe 14/turn
* Aircraft Produced : 0, 0, 0, 15, 0
* Airframe Stock before production: 100, 114, 128, 142, 141

B. 41 Campaign test
MiG-3 aircraft production limit af:130, airframe production rate 130/turn
* Aircraft Produced : 0, 130, 101, 130, 115
* Airframe Stock before production: 72, 202, 202, 231, 231
IL-2 aircraft production limit af:145, airframe production rate 78/turn
* Aircraft Produced : 0, 123, 0, 139, 0
* Airframe Stock before production: 90, 168, 123, 201, 140

--- Assessment ---
If the airframe stock refers to the number before production, then this rule can explain the zero production cases. However,
(i) it cannot explain why there is production for IL-2 in T4 of the RtL test case, when the airframe stock before production is 142 (smaller than the limit of 145);
(ii) for a small scenario using partial production, I suggest that the build limit in this rule “A/c will only build if number of airframes in pool is >= build limit of the aircraft” should be reduced by the same % as the production; and
(iii) when airframe > build limit, it is still unclear why the aircraft production figure fluctuates – a bug/some undocumented rules/some rules already in the Manual that I have missed?

Finally, is this rule documented in the manual? I presume that this rule applies to both Axis and Soviet sides.


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