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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 5:27:19 PM   
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This is a cracking match.... and a cracking group.

With Germany possibly able to get 6 points (if this stays the same), France will have to try and beat Portugal in the last game. Bye, Bye Ronaldo????


aye Germany reminding us all that they are a superb team with a long history of delivering when it matters.

Going back to 4 pts and out. I realise that a degree of Calvinist pessimism is essential to being Scottish but I can see Scotland managing to come in as #5 out of the third placed teams exactly that way. We've shown we can (sort of) manage matches and maybe win by the odd goal but we are not exactly set up to score freely against any semi-decent side

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 5:38:37 PM   
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Am I the only one more worried by Portugal than France?

How fast this post grew old

As fast as my previous post did.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 5:55:50 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 5:57:31 PM   
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This is a cracking match.... and a cracking group.

With Germany possibly able to get 6 points (if this stays the same), France will have to try and beat Portugal in the last game. Bye, Bye Ronaldo????


aye Germany reminding us all that they are a superb team with a long history of delivering when it matters.

Going back to 4 pts and out. I realise that a degree of Calvinist pessimism is essential to being Scottish but I can see Scotland managing to come in as #5 out of the third placed teams exactly that way. We've shown we can (sort of) manage matches and maybe win by the odd goal but we are not exactly set up to score freely against any semi-decent side

Scottish supporters has a special place in my heart since '92. Wish you guys all the best.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 6:10:02 PM   
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This is a cracking match.... and a cracking group.

With Germany possibly able to get 6 points (if this stays the same), France will have to try and beat Portugal in the last game. Bye, Bye Ronaldo????


aye Germany reminding us all that they are a superb team with a long history of delivering when it matters.

Going back to 4 pts and out. I realise that a degree of Calvinist pessimism is essential to being Scottish but I can see Scotland managing to come in as #5 out of the third placed teams exactly that way. We've shown we can (sort of) manage matches and maybe win by the odd goal but we are not exactly set up to score freely against any semi-decent side
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Famous last words but I really wouldn't worry about it. I may be wrong but I genuinely don't think 4 points and out is likely. Assuming you win (if you don't win then its all pointless anyway),You will have (at worst) a -1 goal difference. The 3rd place teams that qualified last time had even or better GD so that might be a problem, but only if there are a large number of teams on 4 points that finish third. And I just don't see that happening.

Fingers crossed - but let's hope Scotland beat Croatia first - then we can worry about what might happen .


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/19/2021 9:08:22 PM   
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Well that was a surprise, and makes the last round of games very exciting.

Spain and Poland need to win their last game.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 8:33:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		So we begin the last round of group games, where all four teams have to play at the same time in order to avoid a repeat of the Austro-German stitch up from 1982.....

Looking at the tables, we have three teams guaranteed through - Netherlands, Belgium and Italy - and only one team definitely out - North Macedonia.

Strangely, the results and the way the fixtures still to come have panned out, means that every group can have a 4-point third place finish.

Interesting....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 12:12:54 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 6:11:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done to the Welsh!! They join Italy, Holland and Belgium in the next round. They also potentially have a very favourable draw. They will play Russia, Finland or Denmark.

Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.

We have our first 3rd place finisher.... and they have 4 points. Five more slots to fill in the coming days... Switzerland can only wait and hope.

The scores on the doors so far:




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 6:41:47 PM   
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Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.


I can just imagine the fights that may occur if they are on the same plane!

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 6:46:50 PM   
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Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.


I can just imagine the fights that may occur if they are on the same plane!

Ready for a new European War?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 6:53:20 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 9:08:03 PM   
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Magnificent performance from the Welsh. Down to 10 men for so long in the second half you feared for them but the came through with style. Gareth Bale even missed a sitter.

Best wishes,
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Italy changed 8 players in the starting team against Wales. While I understood Mancini's need to rest the top players, I feared that the cohesive, well oiled team we saw in the first two games was on the bench - and I think I was right.

Italy had both the need to start thinking about the next game and the moral need to play the best they could - so to guarantee a honest third place to the deserving team. IMHO, this team of reserves fired usual Italian cylinders at 75%, and were seldom dangerous. Wales played the best game they could and almost scored with, IIRC, Bale (about whom, however, I was not impressed).

I disagreed with the red card, BTW. It was a bad foul, but caused more by maladroit than a real intention to cause harm, and by a player that I didn't see as "aggressive" and with a general bad behaviour up to that point.

At the end, I think that both teams did their best. One goal for Italy was a just result. Wales worked hard to keep their "promotion" standing. It was not a great game, but kudos to both teams.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/20/2021 9:54:38 PM   
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...

The scores on the doors so far:





I still maintain that Scotland are quite capable of both getting 4 pts and still not progressing (I equally maintain we can easily lose to a pretty competent Croatia side)

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 6:13:15 AM   
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The scores on the doors so far:





I still maintain that Scotland are quite capable of both getting 4 pts and still not progressing (I equally maintain we can easily lose to a pretty competent Croatia side)
warspite1

And as a Spurs and England fan, I fully understand and sympathise with the mindset of a Spurs and Scotland fan.

Believe me, after watching England vs Scotland I too can well imagine a loss to the Czechs and England being in the same boat....


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 11:11:05 AM   
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And as a Spurs and England fan, I fully understand and sympathise with the mindset of a Spurs and Scotland fan.

Believe me, after watching England vs Scotland I too can well imagine a loss to the Czechs and England being in the same boat....



seems its all irrelevant. Gilmour is out with a positive covid test, heard that Robertson has to self-isolate .. doubt it will just be those 2 who can't play on Tuesday

edit - from a friend 'its ok, he'll be well rested for the final' so panic over

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 3:48:51 PM   
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Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.


I can just imagine the fights that may occur if they are on the same plane!


Turkey and Balkan states relations formed long before any concept of western colonial definition. Similar culture for neighbours. Turks, Macedonians, Albanians, Circassian , Serbs and Greeks were Pasha in Ottoman times. So no fight. Cheers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia%E2%80%93Turkey_relations

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 6:15:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Austria join Holland, Belgium, Italy and Wales in the last 16.

We also have the first known pairing:

Italy vs Austria

Ukraine are not definitely out.... but let's face it... they are!! And potentially good news for England and Scotland - that is at least one group that didn't produce a 4-point third place finisher.






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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 6:26:01 PM   
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Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.


I can just imagine the fights that may occur if they are on the same plane!


Turkey and Balkan states relations formed long before any concept of western colonial definition. Similar culture for neighbours. Turks, Macedonians, Albanians, Circassian , Serbs and Greeks were Pasha in Ottoman times. So no fight. Cheers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia%E2%80%93Turkey_relations


There is a theory about how Italy actually started WWI. After Turkey lost the Italo-Turkish war of 1911-12 (my paternal grandfather was a Bersagliere in that war, BTW), dominoes started to fall. The Balkan States started the Balkan War of 1912 due to their renewed perception of Turkey's weakness. They formed a "Balkan League of Christian Nations", composed of the Kingdoms of Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro, and won back the vast majority of the land nominally belonging to the Ottoman Empire.

Then they started squabbling between themselves about who got what, causing the Second Balkan War of 1913. So much for Christianity. Anyway, irredentism grew across the region and, in 1914, someone pulled a bad stunt and...

However, had we Italian stayed quiet, or just LOST the war against Turkey as we used to do in wars, instead of invading and winning for the only time in our military history (considered from the Reunification), nothing else would have happened. Or so some historians think.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 7:52:18 PM   
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Belgium 0-0 Finland
Denmark 1-0 Russia

Well there's still a long way to go but if it stays like this, England have qualified, as have Finland! and Scotland or Croatia will definitely qualify with a win.

Russia will go from second to bottom. They were happy to waste time earlier.... then Denmark scored. Yet another good game from these championships.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/21/2021 9:06:11 PM   
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Belgium 2-0 Finland
Denmark 4-1 Russia

Denmark - with just 3 points - qualify. Russia, started the night in second spot, finish bottom and Finland - who kept Belgium out for so long finish third, but with a -2 GD, they actually push Ukraine up one place and both are unlikely to progress!!..... but I'm done predicting anything anymore - maybe Croatia and Scotland will draw and put both out, maybe France will batter Portugal and put them out? Who knows!!

So its:

Austria vs Italy
Denmark vs Wales

Joining these four we have Holland, Belgium, Switzerland, Czech Republic, England, France and Sweden. So we know 11 of the 16, but not the positions - 1st to 3rd - of those in bold.




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 12:42:38 AM   
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However, had we Italian stayed quiet, or just LOST the war against Turkey as we used to do in wars, instead of invading and winning for the only time in our military history (considered from the Reunification), nothing else would have happened. Or so some historians think.


What about WW1 (after switching alliances, an old habit of the Savoy house ), Ethiopia (1935-36) and Albania (1939)?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 3:43:28 PM   
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Turkey join North Macedonia on the plane home.


I can just imagine the fights that may occur if they are on the same plane!


Turkey and Balkan states relations formed long before any concept of western colonial definition. Similar culture for neighbours. Turks, Macedonians, Albanians, Circassian , Serbs and Greeks were Pasha in Ottoman times. So no fight. Cheers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Macedonia%E2%80%93Turkey_relations


There is a theory about how Italy actually started WWI. After Turkey lost the Italo-Turkish war of 1911-12 (my paternal grandfather was a Bersagliere in that war, BTW), dominoes started to fall. The Balkan States started the Balkan War of 1912 due to their renewed perception of Turkey's weakness. They formed a "Balkan League of Christian Nations", composed of the Kingdoms of Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro, and won back the vast majority of the land nominally belonging to the Ottoman Empire.

Then they started squabbling between themselves about who got what, causing the Second Balkan War of 1913. So much for Christianity. Anyway, irredentism grew across the region and, in 1914, someone pulled a bad stunt and...

However, had we Italian stayed quiet, or just LOST the war against Turkey as we used to do in wars, instead of invading and winning for the only time in our military history (considered from the Reunification), nothing else would have happened. Or so some historians think.


Maybe. Better organized Austria Hungary also couldn't resist Balkan nationalism. Yes it is more about identity&language and ambitions. For Balkan Wars grandparents tell the population exchange -it was problematic- and that generation has the anger. They stole everything they have. It is typical for a war. Not extra ordinary. Later Turkey has good relations. for example in 70's and 80's there was a comedy film about most footballers in Turkey Yugoslav origin. Yugoslavia was very popular. But attitude is not same for Austria, always rival nation yesterday and today. Culturally nothing is similiar, it shouldn't be necessary course. But Üsküp, Macedonia, Alexander the Great is different, very much liked.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 5:13:22 PM   
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The two Group D games today are:-

Czech Republic v England
Croatia v Scotland

Mount and Chillwell are both out of contention due to them both self-isolating after Scotland's Plague-Carrier-in-Chief, Billy Gilmour, breathed all over them. Thankfully, none of the Scottish lads have a problem because "they were told not go near the Plague-Carrier with a ten-foot bargepole."

This from the BBC:-

"Much of Monday was taken up with chat about how Gilmour could have got coronavirus, why none of his team-mates had to isolate as close contacts, why an Instagram video of Gilmour, Robertson and John McGinn playing table tennis on Sunday night was mysteriously deleted as the Scottish FA attempted to reassure everybody that none of the other Scotland players would be ruled out as none had strayed that deeply into Gilmour's personal space."

Best wishes,
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 6:03:54 PM   
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Meanwhile to take this thread back to the football...

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This from the BBC:-

"Much of Monday was taken up with chat about how Gilmour could have got coronavirus, why none of his team-mates had to isolate as close contacts, why an Instagram video of Gilmour, Robertson and John McGinn playing table tennis on Sunday night was mysteriously deleted as the Scottish FA attempted to reassure everybody that none of the other Scotland players would be ruled out as none had strayed that deeply into Gilmour's personal space."

Best wishes,
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aye I think quite a few people are bemused at the apparent inability of covid to spread when individuals are in close physical contact with each other ...


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 6:34:31 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 6:55:13 PM   
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Meanwhile to take this thread back to the football...

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This from the BBC:-

"Much of Monday was taken up with chat about how Gilmour could have got coronavirus, why none of his team-mates had to isolate as close contacts, why an Instagram video of Gilmour, Robertson and John McGinn playing table tennis on Sunday night was mysteriously deleted as the Scottish FA attempted to reassure everybody that none of the other Scotland players would be ruled out as none had strayed that deeply into Gilmour's personal space."

Best wishes,
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aye I think quite a few people are bemused at the apparent inability of covid to spread when individuals are in close physical contact with each other ...



Two friends of mine got COVID during last Winter's lockdown. Both of them haven't a clue as how they got it. And both have three people in their families (wife and two teenage daughters the first; wife, one boy and one daughter under 10 the other). To add to the mystery, not a single family member got COVID, even if they were living in close contact due to the forced lockdown. Then they self-quarantined away from their families and got rid of the virus in a matter of days (one experienced some days of high fever and that was it).

This virus will be studied for years. The number of different ways it can manifest itself is off the scale.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 7:10:12 PM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 7:57:01 PM   
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Meanwhile to take this thread back to the football...

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This from the BBC:-

"Much of Monday was taken up with chat about how Gilmour could have got coronavirus, why none of his team-mates had to isolate as close contacts, why an Instagram video of Gilmour, Robertson and John McGinn playing table tennis on Sunday night was mysteriously deleted as the Scottish FA attempted to reassure everybody that none of the other Scotland players would be ruled out as none had strayed that deeply into Gilmour's personal space."

Best wishes,
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aye I think quite a few people are bemused at the apparent inability of covid to spread when individuals are in close physical contact with each other ...



Two friends of mine got COVID during last Winter's lockdown. Both of them haven't a clue as how they got it. And both have three people in their families (wife and two teenage daughters the first; wife, one boy and one daughter under 10 the other). To add to the mystery, not a single family member got COVID, even if they were living in close contact due to the forced lockdown. Then they self-quarantined away from their families and got rid of the virus in a matter of days (one experienced some days of high fever and that was it).

This virus will be studied for years. The number of different ways it can manifest itself is off the scale.


There are some people with an already existing immunity to Covid-19 from prior to the emergence of Covid-19. Do you remember all of those colds that you got?

Some people may have preexisting immunity to the coronavirus

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/some-people-may-have-preexisting-immunity-to-the-coronavirus

It Turns Out, We All May Have Some Immunity to COVID, New Study Shows
December 17, 2020

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/some-people-may-have-preexisting-immunity-to-the-coronavirus

Recent research proves that our cells can help protect us from coronavirus and other pathogens.
July 23, 2020

https://bestlifeonline.com/coronavirus-immunity/

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/22/2021 8:26:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was being facetious .. please don't turn this into a Covid thread - that leads to a quick lock by the moderators on past experience

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