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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 10:21:33 AM   
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I watched the laser pointer scene and I don't think that it is a question of deserved/undeserved penalties (the Danish Federation already said that they will not pursue the matter). The problem is that laser beams are dangerous and UEFA is right to crack down on them.

Ten years ago (maybe more) there was a "epidemic" of laser beams here in Italy with some players being hit in the eyes and suffering pain (nothing permanent, but still...) This went on for months, afflicting all the teams, before a coordinated effort of increased surveillance cameras and observers nailed some culprits. Once these idiots understood that being amid a crowd on the stands didn't protect them the "great laser beam show" abated. UEFA is right to try to nip this idiocy in the bud.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 12:17:46 PM   
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Copa America 2021

3rd/4th Place match

Colombia v Peru

Technically this game is tomorrow but it's in the early hours of morning UK time. So I list it here.

I fancy the Colombians to pick up 3rd place but I am not sure how 3rd/4th place games are approached in South America. I am going to assume that both teams are committed to winning it.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 12:26:19 PM   
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Wow. Someone seems to have got entirely the wrong end of the stick, insulted me, got picked up on it, then got hysterical and gone back to a previous post to claim things that weren’t said…..

So first things first. In post 4756 I wasn’t talking about you. I was talking about what was being reported as written in certain Danish publications. The clue was where I referenced the Danish publications.

I wasn’t talking about CNN being a Danish publication. Why would I even be referring to the CNN article that was correctly raising the subject of the marker?? I was talking about Danish publications – and I said they may not be mainstream Danish publications – going off on one about England.

It appears you thought I was talking about you. NO. I only brought you into it in post 4758 because of your totally uncalled for attack on me in post 4757.

I want England to do well. You want Denmark to do well. But according to you I want England to do well because I suffer from ‘precious nationalism’. Nationalism always has unpleasant undertones – so thank-you for that. How wonderful that you can support your country's national football team without feelings of 'Nationalism' whereas you make out my support for my country clearly has another meaning

You then go on about my post 4756 as though I was having a go at you – when, as said, I specifically referred to Danish publications. You said it was good of me not to mention you. Yes, there was a reason for that – because I wasn’t referring to you. You simply assumed I was for reasons I can't imagine. When you bleat on about you not saying the penalty was unfair etc. Yes I know, I didn't say you did – unless of course you are the editor of the Danish publications I was referring to????

So your whole post 4762 is simply a pathetic whine at something you believe was directed at you and never was.

Post 4763 you respond to my comments from 4758 and yes, they WERE directed at you, but only as a result of your totally unwarranted attack on me in post 4757.

Yes, I said 'you as well' because, thanks to your post 4763, I was NOW adding you to those bizarre Danish publications I was referring to earlier because you didn't give them any sanction. No, YOU did not comment about Covid and the English – that was the Danish publications I referred to earlier. Do you start to see a theme running here? Quite simply you had no reason to think I was referring to you.

And thanks for deciding that some of the praise for other nations was ‘just going through the motions’ – yes, thanks for that. I have the ability to appreciate football generally and love the world's game (its why I started this thread). I also have the good grace to applaud great football and footballers, so don’t you dare say that is fake. Who do you think you are telling me what I think? Oh and please, show me where I have misspelt Christian Eriksen.

And IF (massive IF) we win on Sunday, you are going to put an * against the win??????? Wow, I mean wow… So you put an * against Denmark in 1992, yes? I mean they didn’t even QUALIFY for the finals. They were allowed in because of Yugoslavian issues but they didn’t actually qualify. So presumably that's a huge * right there.

You think Argentina and the hand of god deserves an *? You think Argentina in 1978 deserves an * because of the 6-0 win vs Peru? You think Germany reaching the World Cup final deserves an * because of the Algerian stitch up? How many more * are you going to place in your imaginary football stats book?

Thankfully – mercifully – there is nothing to say Schmeichel was affected by the laser pen – indeed I am sure he would have halted proceedings if he had - any professional in that position would have. Sadly it seems the stewards could not find the culprit. Let’s hope UEFA come down hard on England – certainly they should not consider England hosting a tournament for a LONG time. But regardless of the actual effect on the night (which would appear to be nil as the Danish FA do not want any further action), you place your little * against England even reaching the final and insert Denmark instead.

You ended your post with saying that '[I have] assumed things that were not true, or misrepresented [your] view'. Now. Re-read post 4756, look at my reference to Danish publications and tell me who is guilty of assuming and misrepresenting.

This whole unpleasant exchange has come about because YOU have done just that. Well done.




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 12:38:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

I watched the laser pointer scene and I don't think that it is a question of deserved/undeserved penalties (the Danish Federation already said that they will not pursue the matter). The problem is that laser beams are dangerous and UEFA is right to crack down on them.

Ten years ago (maybe more) there was a "epidemic" of laser beams here in Italy with some players being hit in the eyes and suffering pain (nothing permanent, but still...) This went on for months, afflicting all the teams, before a coordinated effort of increased surveillance cameras and observers nailed some culprits. Once these idiots understood that being amid a crowd on the stands didn't protect them the "great laser beam show" abated. UEFA is right to try to nip this idiocy in the bud.

Agreed. There is no place in football for the idiots who do this kind of thing. It is unfortunate that the FA and UEFA were unable to identify the culprit. It needs to be stamped out hard.

I love watching football. I don't want it spoiled by idiots who show no respect for opposing teams or the braindead who think that shining a laser into a goalkeeper's eyes is acceptable or funny.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 2:48:10 PM   
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I think the problem here this 'Euro Champ 2020' should be better called 'Euro Champ 2020 England' as the England was mostly likely the host nation for this tournament. Even Wales travel to Baku but England didn't play even single match outside London. They dominate the match against Danmark (Danes have 0.25 Expected goals stat) but still no one knows what will happen in penalties if that weak penalty has not been given. And what about VAR? Imagine Danes have given that penalty in Wembley. It is impossible. Final still in Wembley but one must ask Ceferin...

I believe in football it is no right thing to say 'we've so many clear chances and we deserve winning'. Goal is goal referee should not intervene, bad sides should still win.
warspite1

Why is there a 'problem' here? Was Euro 2016 called 'Euro Champ 2016 France'? Was Euro 2012 called 'Euro Champ 2012 Poland and Ukraine'?

For reasons mentioned in an earlier post, there was no one single host nation for this tournament, but for whatever reason, England hosted the majority of games. Well if the finals were in England then they would host all the games - like France did five years ago. Why is that a problem?

Funny you moan that England didn't play a single match outside London. I thought Rome was in Italy.....maybe they moved it.


Don't you know? Rome is in the state of GEORGIA, in the USA!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Georgia

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 5:01:42 PM   
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Just a dumb American question...why not have soccer teams play a best of 3 games match? 3 games would would be a better test than deciding on penalty kicks.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 5:21:13 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: gamer78

I think the problem here this 'Euro Champ 2020' should be better called 'Euro Champ 2020 England' as the England was mostly likely the host nation for this tournament. Even Wales travel to Baku but England didn't play even single match outside London. They dominate the match against Danmark (Danes have 0.25 Expected goals stat) but still no one knows what will happen in penalties if that weak penalty has not been given. And what about VAR? Imagine Danes have given that penalty in Wembley. It is impossible. Final still in Wembley but one must ask Ceferin...

I believe in football it is no right thing to say 'we've so many clear chances and we deserve winning'. Goal is goal referee should not intervene, bad sides should still win.
warspite1

Why is there a 'problem' here? Was Euro 2016 called 'Euro Champ 2016 France'? Was Euro 2012 called 'Euro Champ 2012 Poland and Ukraine'?

For reasons mentioned in an earlier post, there was no one single host nation for this tournament, but for whatever reason, England hosted the majority of games. Well if the finals were in England then they would host all the games - like France did five years ago. Why is that a problem?

Funny you moan that England didn't play a single match outside London. I thought Rome was in Italy.....maybe they moved it.


Don't you know? Rome is in the state of GEORGIA, in the USA!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Georgia


See there is another Rome. No longer Byzantium and Kayser-i Rûm. USA is the new successor of The Roman Empire.

warspite1, UEFA Euro 2016 France was called UEFA Euro 2016 France and UEFA Euro 2012 Poland-Ukraine was called UEFA Euro 2012 Poland-Ukraine.. UEFA Euro 2020 is only called UEFA Euro 2020. No main host.

Italian PM said finals should be played in Rome and Merkel seemed to be agreement in late June. Not my 'moan'

2 months ago https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0269-1243fd8a9a91-372765bb3ccb-1000--2021-final-switches-to-portugal/ from Istanbul for UK's suddenly red list. UEFA accepted immediately. It's ok.

But now there is 65000 supporters in Wembley. UK Govt forgot about Covid regulations and UEFA says final stadium won't change. Well..

And https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/08/1000-italy-fans-to-be-allowed-in-to-uk-for-euro-2020-final-at-wembley. Still England is very solid team hope the best.




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 5:31:43 PM   
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Just a dumb American question...why not have soccer teams play a best of 3 games match? 3 games would would be a better test than deciding on penalty kicks.

The primary reason is that football already has a congested fixture list. Too many players are already playing two games a week with a very short summer or winter break. An international player can easily be playing 65-70 matches a season. Regular players will (providing they have no injuries) will play 45-50 games a season.

Imagine playing American football where instead of offensive, defensive, and special teams, only one team is ever allowed on the field. They have to play for 90 minutes with one half-time break of fifteen minutes and no stops for adverts or breaks of any kind. Now get them to play 65 matches a season with a 6 week break in between seasons. You will then understand why even more matches are not really possible.

Penalty shootouts are a necessary evil. But they also make for some good drama.

Best wishes,
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 6:48:54 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Just a dumb American question...why not have soccer teams play a best of 3 games match? 3 games would would be a better test than deciding on penalty kicks.

The primary reason is that football already has a congested fixture list. Too many players are already playing two games a week with a very short summer or winter break. An international player can easily be playing 65-70 matches a season. Regular players will (providing they have no injuries) will play 45-50 games a season.

Imagine playing American football where instead of offensive, defensive, and special teams, only one team is ever allowed on the field. They have to play for 90 minutes with one half-time break of fifteen minutes and no stops for adverts or breaks of any kind. Now get them to play 65 matches a season with a 6 week break in between seasons. You will then understand why even more matches are not really possible.

Penalty shootouts are a necessary evil. But they also make for some good drama.

Best wishes,
Steve.


"Ironman Football" is what is that is called and that used to be the way that it was played or some players would come off and others go on but most played offense and defense. In one way, it was cleaner as far as hits and such would go.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 7:13:29 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Just a dumb American question...why not have soccer teams play a best of 3 games match? 3 games would would be a better test than deciding on penalty kicks.

The primary reason is that football already has a congested fixture list. Too many players are already playing two games a week with a very short summer or winter break. An international player can easily be playing 65-70 matches a season. Regular players will (providing they have no injuries) will play 45-50 games a season.

Imagine playing American football where instead of offensive, defensive, and special teams, only one team is ever allowed on the field. They have to play for 90 minutes with one half-time break of fifteen minutes and no stops for adverts or breaks of any kind. Now get them to play 65 matches a season with a 6 week break in between seasons. You will then understand why even more matches are not really possible.

Penalty shootouts are a necessary evil. But they also make for some good drama.

Best wishes,
Steve.

Thank you for taking my proposal seriously.

I believe that American football is not the best comparison for soccer; because American football is a COLLISON sport. Every play involves deliberate, violent collisions. Many NFL players are physically unable to play the next day. I don't think the NFL has ever played a game with less than 3 days of rest (Sunday to Thursday). Basketball is a better comparison, and is often played on consecutive days. NBA players play as many 100 games a year (counting playoffs but not pre-season). True, NBA players don't play 90 minutes but that's what a bench is for. Using your bench is a truer test of a team's depth than just the starters and a few late substitutions (maybe soccer should make substitutions more flexible).

What did soccer do before penalty shots? Have a rematch the next day?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/9/2021 9:20:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch


quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Just a dumb American question...why not have soccer teams play a best of 3 games match? 3 games would would be a better test than deciding on penalty kicks.

The primary reason is that football already has a congested fixture list. Too many players are already playing two games a week with a very short summer or winter break. An international player can easily be playing 65-70 matches a season. Regular players will (providing they have no injuries) will play 45-50 games a season.

Imagine playing American football where instead of offensive, defensive, and special teams, only one team is ever allowed on the field. They have to play for 90 minutes with one half-time break of fifteen minutes and no stops for adverts or breaks of any kind. Now get them to play 65 matches a season with a 6 week break in between seasons. You will then understand why even more matches are not really possible.

Penalty shootouts are a necessary evil. But they also make for some good drama.

Best wishes,
Steve.

Thank you for taking my proposal seriously.

I believe that American football is not the best comparison for soccer; because American football is a COLLISON sport. Every play involves deliberate, violent collisions. Many NFL players are physically unable to play the next day. I don't think the NFL has ever played a game with less than 3 days of rest (Sunday to Thursday). Basketball is a better comparison, and is often played on consecutive days. NBA players play as many 100 games a year (counting playoffs but not pre-season). True, NBA players don't play 90 minutes but that's what a bench is for. Using your bench is a truer test of a team's depth than just the starters and a few late substitutions (maybe soccer should make substitutions more flexible).

What did soccer do before penalty shots? Have a rematch the next day?


Replays. Sometimes multiple replays. But it was the strain they put on the fixture list that demanded another way to end a game if everything was level. Several schemes have been tried over the years including tossing a coin, golden goal, silver goal etc. They are all, including penalty shootouts, in one way or another, unsatisfactory ways to separate tied teams. Penalty shootouts are nothing more than the best of a bad lot.

And... American Football. Take away the crash helmets, the shoulder pads, knee pads, eye liner and lipstick. Amend the rules slightly to allow non-stop play and you have ... rugby. I was being gentle with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JatpVqDGIu4

And Independence Day match at Twickenham. England v USA four days ago.. Highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSa92kf3ezk

Best wishes,
Steve

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 12:46:05 AM   
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In 1982 if the World Cup Final was not decided after extra time then the match would have been played again three days later. Only if the second match ended up in a draw, too, there would have been a penalty shootout (Italy ended up beating Germany 3 - 1 within the regular 90'). I honestly don't know if the rule was used before 1982, for sure it wasn't anymore in 1986.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 2:01:31 AM   
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Is there any sentiment towards changing the offsides rule to open up the game? There would be fewer scoreless ties...

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 8:27:34 AM   
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Is there any sentiment towards changing the offsides rule to open up the game? There would be fewer scoreless ties...

There are constant changes to the offside rules. And they are all with the intention of making life easier for forwards.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 8:31:08 AM   
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Copa America 2021

3rd/4th Place

Colombia 3 Peru 2

A late 92nd minute goal won it for Colombia. Colombia will be happy with 3rd. The Peruvians will shake their heads in resignation.

Highlights:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lz1jP5G9EM

Copa America 2021 Final

Argentina v Brazil

Again, technically tomorrow but in the early hours of morning (UK time) I might forego my beauty sleep and stay up to watch it. The clash of giants. Neymar v Messi. Both players in good form. Hopefully, a good game.

Best wishes,
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 12:44:02 PM   
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To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 1:09:52 PM   
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Nothing wrong with a draw. Some wargames have that battle result also. It is more about tempo in 90 minutes I think-at least for the audience-. Throw in, corners, set pieces and lately the VAR decisions. It is not about score&amount of goals but more about the tempo in open play.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 1:51:14 PM   
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To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 2:19:00 PM   
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Is there any sentiment towards changing the offsides rule to open up the game? There would be fewer scoreless ties...

There are constant changes to the offside rules. And they are all with the intention of making life easier for forwards.


Sometimes with dangerous results...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAauUPcS0Q&list=PLrdpldKEF2349mkeSTQaBV_IoHoov2Yn8&index=4




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 2:48:36 PM   
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I saw many injuries with the new rule waiting for VAR to make decision. Typical example in this video -ref and defending players knows well that attacking player is offside- but game keep on going. Very poor rule. They've to change that.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 3:02:21 PM   
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I saw many injuries with the new rule waiting for VAR to make decision. Typical example in this video -ref and defending players knows well that attacking player is offside- but game keep on going. Very poor rule. They've to change that.


I generally like VAR. Not everyone has the same opinion, but during this Euro we saw many cases where VAR was instrumental in catching (or denying) all kind of fouls. Sure, some believe that not conceding a goal for a three inches-offside (maybe only a knee) is unsportsmanship, but that's the rule...

However, this doctor is right: any rule that allows for players to rush against each other from opposite directions is potentially dangerous. Sometimes you can't avoid it: in Rui Patricio case this kind of clash could have occurred even if the attacker was not offside. But if the officials can do something they should do it at once.

I have seen offsides being called 30-40 seconds after the actual event. What's the good in that?

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 3:11:43 PM   
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What did soccer do before penalty shots? Have a rematch the next day?

warspite1

In times past, some big matches have been decided on a coin toss. Italy have won the European Championships once - in 1968. They won their semi-final against the Soviet Union on the the toss of a coin. A World Cup qualifier saw Spain miss out to Turkey in 1954. The Turks won on the drawing of lots....


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 4:12:33 PM   
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To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Just keep doing it until one side or the other wins. Someone will tire out. If nothing else, if there is no score within a certain period of time, start removing random players from the team. When it gets down to goalie vs goalie . . .

Then when those are gone, simply state that neither team advances to the next round.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 5:28:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Just keep doing it until one side or the other wins. Someone will tire out. If nothing else, if there is no score within a certain period of time, start removing random players from the team. When it gets down to goalie vs goalie . . .

Then when those are gone, simply state that neither team advances to the next round.

Stop reading The Big Book of Insane Ideas. You will feel better for it.

Best wishes,
Steve

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/10/2021 6:44:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shunwick


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: shunwick


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Just keep doing it until one side or the other wins. Someone will tire out. If nothing else, if there is no score within a certain period of time, start removing random players from the team. When it gets down to goalie vs goalie . . .

Then when those are gone, simply state that neither team advances to the next round.

Stop reading The Big Book of Insane Ideas. You will feel better for it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Think if one team was already down a player due to a red card. That would make that team very offensive minded.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/11/2021 1:56:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: shunwick


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: shunwick


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Just keep doing it until one side or the other wins. Someone will tire out. If nothing else, if there is no score within a certain period of time, start removing random players from the team. When it gets down to goalie vs goalie . . .

Then when those are gone, simply state that neither team advances to the next round.

Stop reading The Big Book of Insane Ideas. You will feel better for it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Think if one team was already down a player due to a red card. That would make that team very offensive minded.

For God's sake give it up. You are just embarrassing yourself.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/11/2021 2:19:22 AM   
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Copa America 2021 Final

Argentina 1 Brazil 0

Di Maria scored the only goal of a tight, highly contested, fouling and diving contest. Argentina could have made dead certain of the result shortly before the end of the game but Messi fluffed it. Yep. Fluffed it. Argentina deserved the victory. Brazil huffed and puffed at them during the second half but barely troubled the Argentinian keeper.

Euro 2020 Final

England v Italy.

Should be a fascinating match. Southgate will not deviate from his defensive safety-first strategy. I really, really hope the Italy don't give England too much respect. Otherwise it is going to be dull.

Good luck to both teams.

Best wishes,
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/11/2021 11:17:14 AM   
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Can England end 55 years of hurt tonight?

Well we have some decent players, we have home advantage – so we have a chance, but…….this is England and so even if we do triumph, it will likely not be an easy ride for anyone supporting the three lions…..

1966 – England’s only win in the Football World Cup – but despite being at home and being the better team on the day, England allowed Germany to equalise in the 89th minute. There was then the controversial linesman’s call before Geoff Hurst wrapped it up with the final kick of the game.

2003 – England’s only win in the Rugby World Cup – but despite being the clear favourites and out-playing Australia, the English forwards couldn’t put the game to bed with handling error after handling error, and it took a last kick of the game from Johnny Wilkinson to finally overcome the Aussies.

2019 – England’s only win in the Cricket World Cup – but despite being at home and playing New Zealand in the final (rather than the more fancied Australia or India) it took a super over and a boundary count back to separate the sides.

…so no, what we can I think guarantee, is that even if England prevail, it will be a nail-biting, rollercoaster of emotions that leaves everyone a nerve-shredded, quivering wreck, before we reach the end…..

But if that is a given, the question is, can they even actually win it?

I’d put our chances – playing as we have – as perhaps 20%. Just hope we take any chances that come and Italy have an off day. What is so frustrating is that that % should be much, much higher with the players we have, and if we play to our strengths then I would say this should be a real 50%/50% battle.

Tactics and mental frailty aside, both sides appear to have a good strength in depth. Italy will miss Spinazolla (what a player) and England have doubts over Foden – although he is an unlikely starter based on recent games, and more likely to be used as an impact player. I rate the Italian goalkeeper, Donnarumma, very highly, but Pickford has made some great saves in this tournament too.

If we attack Italy, balls in behind, balls over the top, run at defenders, then we have a good chance of victory because we have the players that can exploit such tactics. We need Shaw and Walker (I assume they will get the nod) to exploit space on the flanks in support of Sterling and Saka/Sancho(?).

Chiellini and Bonucci are highly experienced, top notch campaigners. They will simply lap up slow, predictable, build up play. But their age comes at a cost in mobility. The England wide forwards have to run at them while Harry Kane tries to pull them out of positon.

Which England will turn up tonight? If it’s the one that played Scotland then we might as well not bother playing the game. Because if we resort to square balls in front of the defence, sideways, backwards and unimaginative (Maguire walking everywhere), then Jorginho, Barella and Veratti won’t even need to break sweat.

But if England’s strong suit is pace in attack, Italy have shown just how quickly they can counter, and with Insigne – Walker’s pace may be required to help out Stones and Maguire.

The Italians will be, I suspect, the most ‘street-wise’ of any team we’ve played so far, and England’s defenders and defensive midfielders need to be careful they are not sucked into any tricks and clever play they may employ. That is easier said than done of course because the Italians have some very technically gifted players.

So all is set, in theory – assuming everyone plays to their ability - for a potentially classic encounter, a classic final. But what final we get will depend on so many things. It’s why we love (and hate) football.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/11/2021 12:00:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shunwick


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

To resolve ties, have 15 minute sudden death overtimes with players who were substituted for allowed back into the game. But players who were redcarded are not allowed back in.

Wouldn't work. They tried the sudden death overtime thing with the golden goal. Teams just went super defensive and hung on till the time ran out and guess what? They ended up playing for the penalty shootout. It's why the golden goal scheme failed.

As much as everyone complains about the penalty shootouts they remain the best of a bad bunch. Extra time and penalty shootouts are going to be with us until someone comes up with a better idea. Sudden death overtime is most definitely not it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Just keep doing it until one side or the other wins. Someone will tire out. If nothing else, if there is no score within a certain period of time, start removing random players from the team. When it gets down to goalie vs goalie . . .

Then when those are gone, simply state that neither team advances to the next round.

Stop reading The Big Book of Insane Ideas. You will feel better for it.

Best wishes,
Steve


Think if one team was already down a player due to a red card. That would make that team very offensive minded.

For God's sake give it up. You are just embarrassing yourself.


I have been embarrassed before - it is nothing new.

BTW, where did you get that book "The Big Book of Insane Ideas" as I would like to get a copy for myself. Who knows what might actually work that is listed in there.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 7/11/2021 12:14:29 PM   
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BTW, where did you get that book "The Big Book of Insane Ideas" as I would like to get a copy for myself.

warspite1

I've read it - its great.

There is a chapter on "Wouldn't it be great to attack the USA in December 1941"

There is a chapter on "Let's not enter the World Cup of football in 1930 because we're British, we invented the game and we should be in charge, so there".

There is also a chapter on how "I've a great idea for attacking Greece in October 1940, in the mountains, in late autumn, with a fraction of the troops necessary and with little or no warning to the air force and navy"

In fact there is quite a lot of insane ideas that came out of Italy in the 30's and 40's......


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