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Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 2:38:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Every single land unit in China has a popup telling me they have basic supply.. what does that mean exactly? does it break the game if china pushes into vietnam and doesnt take hanoi?
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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 12:15:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		It means they are receiving basic supplies...but no reinforcements.



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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 1:17:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		is that normal? i mean its the whole army of china not getting reinforced

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 1:20:57 PM   
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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 1:42:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		its not a good thing! You have an issue somewhere in your supply chain....hit the S button you follow the numbers.
Basic supply means that the unit is getting enough supply to keep fighting, but they cant reinforce or upgrade.

Its a situation you will want to fix, most likely you are pushing to far to fast.

slo

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 3:19:20 PM   
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its not a good thing! You have an issue somewhere in your supply chain....hit the S button you follow the numbers.
Basic supply means that the unit is getting enough supply to keep fighting, but they cant reinforce or upgrade.

Its a situation you will want to fix, most likely you are pushing to far to fast.

slo



Perfect answer, but why would the whole Chinese Army be in that situation?

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 4:13:57 PM   
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Did their capital fall and all they have left is basic supply locations?

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 4:48:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slo

its not a good thing! You have an issue somewhere in your supply chain....hit the S button you follow the numbers.
Basic supply means that the unit is getting enough supply to keep fighting, but they cant reinforce or upgrade.

Its a situation you will want to fix, most likely you are pushing to far to fast.

slo



Perfect answer, but why would the whole Chinese Army be in that situation?


Thanks!!! I dont usually get em right!!



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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 5:59:04 PM   
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First look at your supply centers.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 6:42:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		China supply chain is crappy for a reason. It makes it hard for them to attack out and makes it hard to conquer.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/7/2021 6:48:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Supply starts at a supply center with a level of 9.

It is then reduced by movement cost to enter a hex. So if it cost 5 movement points to enter the next hex then the Supply Center has a supply of 9 and the next hex to it has a supply of 4.

You can see how the hills and mountains make supply in China a nightmare.
Now add in weather effects and you quickly get to hexes that a just a few from a major supply point, but they are only getting 1 supply.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 12:50:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I couldnt get the save to upload it says C:\fakepath\ not supported, https://file.io/6bU1y6eweMCZ
Thats a 1 time download link and it will delete so hopefully whoever gets it can upload or figure out whats going on, i double checked it and most of the units are on rails in around 9 - 6 supply range. This is a game breaking bug either that or i dont know how supply works, maybe you can help

edit: so it looks like changsha is on port supply even though its connected to the main supply by roads and everything south is stuck on port supply, lanchow gets main supply even though there are no roads to it, this is clearly bugged.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 1:58:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay so i played around a little and here is the bug, if you are china and you own Vinh but you have not yet taken Haiphong it bugs your whole supply in china, i decided to leave the port and give it to the japanese and once they take it no more supply problems.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 2:22:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked at your save file.

Along railroads and at urban centers there is supply level 9, whether it's designated main supply or port supply. Why Chungking, Changsha, and Kunming are not labeled as main supply sources, I don't know. Alvaro may have made them 'level 9 supply' centers - if you look in the manual you'll see that in the supply section.

Vinh has expended it's 20 combat supply points, but can still extend map supply. How any of that is affected by taking or not taking Haiphong, I have no idea.

I realize none of the above is really helpful, so Alvaro is going to have to chime in on this one.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 2:33:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you load a game those citys are all main supply.. It may have nothing to do with Haiphong but something is clearly wrong here, if you keep playing the game the problem doesn't fix but if you move out of Vinh and advance the turn it fixes. I made a bug thread maybe you can help me and upload the save for some reason it won't let me Thanks

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 2:52:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your link worked fine. Can't upload a file greater than 200K in the forum.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 5:48:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the deal. This was a design issue. Sometimes it is preferable to have main supply, other times port supply. Only a human can make that decision because the factors are too complex for the code to figure out. So I defaulted to port supply having priority since that is usually the better situation. By chance this is not one of them.

So when you take Haiphong with it's rail line it will pick it up and rail it out then reduce it over distance.

I can change some of the rail and terrain so it doesn't interfere with Kunming main supply source. Let me look at it.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 5/8/2021 5:59:11 PM   
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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 8/10/2021 7:33:11 AM   
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I think I have the same problem in Thailand






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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 8/10/2021 10:58:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The supply in Thailand is tricky. Main supply from India ends at Rangoon and around the Irrawaddy River. There only two level 1 ports in western Thailand that provide a max of 40 Port Supply to cover everything going east. So the Allies are stuck with Basic Supply until they can take Bangkok which will add another 180 supply points. Even then you can only supply about 8 units with the rest remaining in Basic Supply.

The good news is your units can rotate in and out of the Bangkok area to receive replacements and better effectiveness recovery. Plus Japan will to some degree have a basic supply problem around Saigon and Cam Ranh which will aid a push in that direction. Supply trucks and Naval resupply are a big help but this area remains a tough nut for the Allies to crack if adequately defended.

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RE: Unit has basic supply? - 8/11/2021 10:08:59 AM   
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The supply in Thailand is tricky.



Thank you

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