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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:02:48 PM   
HardLuckYetAgain


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Bombings!!!

Near Kirovograd. Here the IL2's are playing. My fighters haven't scrambled to meet them since they bomb and scoot too quickly for my fighters to intercept.

Since turn 5 there hasn't been a single interception of these planes at all. So will have to run AS mission if I want to stop them.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:09:29 PM   
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Bombings!!!

Now over water I have an interception a bazillion miles away after I moved in to the Southern part of the map, lol. The 4 losses were Operational and was not set up as an AS. But in the center those same planes never wanted to intercept the IL2. IL2 too powerful for German fighters ;-P

Jubjub wants to keep the supply from flowing into Odessa by sea but he can continue I wont stop him.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:11:16 PM   
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Bombings!!!

Odessa supply was fine even with sea transport interdiction in place by the Soviets, storing a great deal of supply to boot.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:22:45 PM   
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Air losses at the start of my turn

The Soviets toned down their Air Campaign & light losses compared to the previous turns. There is a limit to the amount of losses the Soviets can sustain in the air over a given period of time. The Soviets haven't reached that yet so I expect more mass bombing shortly. But here are the numbers.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:27:03 PM   
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Soviet Attacks - 5 attacks, 5 wins (I am not including soaking off attacks)

All attack on Regiments and like I always say, "regiments love to retreat". Retreat they do. Up to this point in the game I DID NOT put regiments on the line unless I was forced to do so. I had 5 places this turn and Jubjub punished them. I will now revert back to only having Divisions on surrounds again.

Attack 1

Pocket opened and Germans take some BIG losses.








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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:33:06 PM   
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Soviet Attacks - 5 attacks, 5 wins (I am not including soaking off attacks)

All attacks on Regiments

Attack 2

Pocket opened and HUGE losses on Germans. Soviets get a nice reserve activation to boot. You can see in the picture the Soviets fade into the countryside 4-5 hexes away it looks like.

I have not done my air phase yet but looks like it. I can say that by him opening that pocket I can try and grab that 37 CAV division and put them in that opened pocket. Will have to wait for recon for sure though :) So the Soviet gets the SU's out of those 2 Inf Divisions but I get a CAV division, if all goes well, in the SU's place. I will take that all week long.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:38:50 PM   
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Soviet Attacks - 5 attacks, 5 wins (I am not including soaking off attacks)

All attacks on Regiments

Attack 3

Another attack with big losses to me.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:42:22 PM   
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Soviet Attacks - 5 attacks, 5 wins (I am not including soaking off attacks)

All attacks on Regiments

Attack 4

Regiment cut off and routed Germans again take BIG losses. The Soviets had more units than I thought in this part of the map... Or do they? I believe Jubjub is so desperate for wins that part of the map now is void of Soviet troops. But that is only a guess on my part. Air Recon is about to tell me for sure if I am right.

A regiment taking 300ish losses and 4 Soviet Divisions taking 300ish losses is not the same thing :(

PLUS, every single one of my 5 losses had Horrid combat roles. I have crappy luck.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:48:40 PM   
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Soviet Attacks - 5 attacks, 5 wins (I am not including soaking off attacks)

All attacks on Regiments

Attack 5

Here is the attack up North. Another horrid bad combat value for me. It is like I am the Soviets in 41, LOL




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:53:33 PM   
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Pilots

Pilots doing well so far after my fiasco loss of 60ish planes & pilots to Air Superiority Missions earlier in the game that did not engage a DAMN thing. That was annoying.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:53:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like a major part of your total tank losses came from those attacks.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:56:42 PM   
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Looks like a major part of your total tank losses came from those attacks.


Ya, it was. 2 of the fights with tanks I can see the losses, the units were tired. The other 2 battles I don't see why as much since they were pretty well rested. Also granted some of the terrain is "not" good for tanks ;-P It is what it is and I will move on by going back to what I normally do of only giving him Divisions to attack.

Jubjub did well. I would have done the same thing.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 6:58:44 PM   
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PLUS, every single one of my 5 losses had Horrid combat roles. I have crappy luck.



From what I have seen, it seems like smaller numbers of men (e.g. 1 regiment against a bunch of divisions) seem to get worse combat rolls very often in comparison to larger numbers of men. Number of troops rather than just the paper CVs at least seem like they matter. If you don't split down into divisions or if you have multiple units rather than just 1, it at at least seems like the rolls tend to be better.

That is just my subjective impression from looking at combat results though, could be wrong.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:02:57 PM   
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PLUS, every single one of my 5 losses had Horrid combat roles. I have crappy luck.



From what I have seen, it seems like smaller numbers of men (e.g. 1 regiment against a bunch of divisions) seem to get worse combat rolls very often in comparison to larger numbers of men. Number of troops rather than just the paper CVs at least seem like they matter. If you don't split down into divisions or if you have multiple units rather than just 1, it at at least seems like the rolls tend to be better.

That is just my subjective impression from looking at combat results though, could be wrong.


A great deal does go into it. Think I am going to research it more since I have been putting more effort into the manual than I ever have in a game. I personally usually play and never read the manual learning from mistakes if you will. Thank you for this.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:09:05 PM   
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Soviets Stay close at Kiev

This could get interesting quick. My #1 goal is gobbling up Soviet Division over everything else. With only 2 Soviet Inf Division in Kiev I should have no problem force surrendering them with one or two attacks from 6+ German Infantry Divisions that are pretty well rested. Will see what recon shows, if anything in the swamp.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:15:36 PM   
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2 Soviet CAV Divisions attack near Nikolaev. The first Odessa Cav has 2900ish men in it.

Please NOTE that I have the Rumanians under German Commanders now.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:16:59 PM   
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2 Soviet CAV Divisions attack near Nikolaev. The 32nd Cav has 6500ish men in it. O.O

Please NOTE that I have the Rumanians under German Commanders now.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:20:04 PM   
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2 Soviet CAV Divisions seem to have withdrawn to where the orange arrows point. Will recon this area for more Soviets but look to be some tasty cake waiting for us. I will gladly take 8,000 men as prisoners, if I can.






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:34:00 PM   
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Moscow Area

Marked in green is what I feel is the front line. The Soviets look to have retreated after their attacks. Will recon for sure to find out. It is good and bad for them if that is the case. Good because they will be able to rest this turn & dig in. (Too bad Assault HQ's can only get up to 1 for digging in :) Bad because I get that much closer to Moscow. This also tells me that the Soviets may be a bit low on Units this part of the map and bidding his time to get much needed re-enforcements. Don't know for sure but feels like it since personally all this ground in front of Moscow should be holy ground and defended every inch if I were a Soviet this early in the game. But that is just me and my 2 cents. The X's are where I believe Soviet delaying forces are, more than likely Cav and an Inf Division in Vyazma. All of this is just guess on my part but I love playing this game of "Guess what my opponent did"






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:44:11 PM   
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Center Area

Center looks to be a mess but I see a great deal of promise. Marked in Green looks to be the Front line. Jubjub loves his terrain with rivers but it also tells me that I have a nice operations area. I still feel the Center is weak but that is only my intuition. 3 infantry should be bagged here this turn.

I believe I may be able to also get one or both of those Cav Divisions into pockets if the Soviet line is truly at the green line. Will recon to find out.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:45:00 PM   
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From what I have seen, it seems like smaller numbers of men (e.g. 1 regiment against a bunch of divisions) seem to get worse combat rolls very often in comparison to larger numbers of men. Number of troops rather than just the paper CVs at least seem like they matter. If you don't split down into divisions or if you have multiple units rather than just 1, it at at least seems like the rolls tend to be better.

That is just my subjective impression from looking at combat results though, could be wrong.

I think that is because elements get damaged during combat and then the CV drops.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 7:49:23 PM   
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From what I have seen, it seems like smaller numbers of men (e.g. 1 regiment against a bunch of divisions) seem to get worse combat rolls very often in comparison to larger numbers of men. Number of troops rather than just the paper CVs at least seem like they matter. If you don't split down into divisions or if you have multiple units rather than just 1, it at at least seems like the rolls tend to be better.

That is just my subjective impression from looking at combat results though, could be wrong.

I think that is because elements get damaged during combat and then the CV drops.


True true for sure :) Thank you Tyronec

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 8:23:34 PM   
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Air Phase

Ok, going to do the air phase and go to dinner. Will be back later tonight with results.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 11:26:00 PM   
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28 planes lost out of 0 committed? How to read that actually?

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 11:52:33 PM   
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28 planes lost out of 0 committed? How to read that actually?



I believe the combat results to have an erroneous error on display. Since really 100 aircraft were shot down out of 100 aircraft, 28 were other types of planes normally shown in the recon area I believe. So either an error of the planes were placed in wrong area when the reporting was done and is a programing issue to fix it is my take.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/3/2021 11:55:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gam3r - patrol aircraft are usually counted as utility aircraft. Why it did not count them as such in the report display but did for the casualty numbers is probably a bug. It may be that the MBR-2 aircraft are mission aircraft (thus considered bombers in the mission displayed numbers) but are utility aircraft (and counted as such in the casualty numbers).


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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/4/2021 3:27:54 AM   
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Air Execution

I get another Auto interception in the Black Sear. This time the Rumanians auto intercept and have a bit of payback from last turn without any Soviet fighter escorts around. So I have gotten 2 auto intercepts now over the Black sea but not on land. Soviets lost 161 bombers trying to keep Odessa port closed so far. 100 during Soviet Air Phase and another 61 during my Air phase. Is it worth it? Only the Soviets can answer that question.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/4/2021 3:34:31 AM   
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Air Phase

To me after recon it looks like the 2 Cav have been left out by themselves. I recon'd pretty well so what I see is what there is. I hope.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/4/2021 3:36:40 AM   
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Air Phase

Kiev looks to be interesting this turn. I believe I should be able to get a few Soviet Divisions this turn with most of III PZ Corps at Kiev.

I love playing with Soviets in rough terrain :)




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 9/4/2021 3:39:51 AM   
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Air Phase

Either I am 100% right that there are NO Soviet units in the Gomel area or I am totally wrong and Air Recon picked up nothing. I am going with there are no Soviet units here & all open country beyond.




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