DesertedFox
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ORIGINAL: AlbertN
Besides by that very link you posted about the Italian army, it underlines how the Italian troops fought well and valiantly despite the lack of equipment, the general staff being too static, etc etc - and how Alpini sent with Caucasus in mind were instead deployed into the Steppes. (@DesertFox)
I am glad at least I am not the one who opened this thread and I am not a single voice there.
The link I provided names two divisions that fought well in 41 and 42. These troops were the VERY best Italy had. Their equipment, logistics, and tactics were horrible. Their morale was apparently good.
In the battles named above such as Uman and the Crimea, the Romanians were never at the point but supporting Germans troops.
One could argue that the Italians also fought alongside the Germans when Tobruk was captured. They only provided troops for the encirclement and NOT the assault but hey they were there and thus deserving of a better morale etc rating going by the German fan club yardstick.
Let's take that to the extreme. In 1941 Operation barborossa opened and from June through to November, Germany and her allies completely dominated the Russians in battle. So we should give all Germany's allies better morale just for being in the same theater?
For me, there is no case for improving the Romanians stats. No one here has provided any facts or evidence to support that.
As for the Italians, the 2 or 3 earliest divisons were their best and did indeed do okay into 42. The rest though were the same troops that failed in France 1940 and Greece in 40-41.
Those Italian Divs I mentioned 2 have morale/exp or 50 and the 3rd 40. the last one is a mountain div and there is definitely a case to have his stats moved up to 50.
So given that most Russian starting units have a morale/exp factor of less than 50 these Italian divs are in fact superior (in terms of morale/exp, NOT equipment) to the Russians at the start of the war and for some time to come.
HLYA has shown how the Germans are quite well balanced as the game currently stands as has Tyronec.
Thus apart from the sole Italian Mountain div with morale /exp at 40 there is nothing presented here that needs a change.
On top of everything, I have said I am sure the Devs have given even greater study to the units stats.
People here make outrageous claims when their entire study of the war entails a quick read of one Wiki page.
I can claim pigs can fly. But unless I can provide facts and evidence that they can, it will remain that they cannot.
The onus is on YOU to present factual evidence for a change.
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Personally I think Italians and Romanians should have a baseline of 50 National Morale or 55. Hungarians and Slovaks 60.
Based on what? Your opinion becasue you had youre arse handed to you in a couple of games.
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RE: Is Romanian/Axis Minor national morale slightly too... - 
They are brittle and have to be used with more consideration than a German unit. They can be used with German units to soak up losses during a defensive or an offensive operation. They can seal and perhaps reduce pockets of Soviet units. They can replace German units in the partisan box. They can protect ports. They can consume freight. They can route and leave holes for Soviet Cavalry to pour through. They can absorb Soviet air attacks. They make widows that need to be comforted. They provide opportunities to build Soviet morale and their win to loss ratio. Need I post more. 
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