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Why objectives? - 10/22/2021 3:40:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		There doesn't seem to be a need to capture objectives to win in AB. I have captured all objectives in a scenario and not win. I have captured 1 of 4 objectives and won. It's all about attrition, not objectives. Objectives are just killing zones where I would keep units within the LOS of the objective but not actually enter the objective box then kill off all the ai units that will come near the objective and win the scenario without capturing most of the objectives. Am I missing something?
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RE: Why objectives? - 10/23/2021 2:44:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		This video, if it works, shows why they prompt the AI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtGFEfDwtE0


I learned a lot from it.

Ignore the 25 second noisy introduction :)


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RE: Why objectives? - 10/25/2021 8:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hailstone - try the recent videos and scenarios from Russian Heel - I've found them useful. Play them in order (I didn't)

They are on this thread if I can link https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5092103

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I'm sure you could make some terrific scenarios judging from the ones you made for Tigers On The Hunt.

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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 1:40:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hailstone

There doesn't seem to be a need to capture objectives to win in AB. I have captured all objectives in a scenario and not win. I have captured 1 of 4 objectives and won. It's all about attrition, not objectives. Objectives are just killing zones where I would keep units within the LOS of the objective but not actually enter the objective box then kill off all the ai units that will come near the objective and win the scenario without capturing most of the objectives. Am I missing something?


My original inspiration for the scoring system was the Battlefield 1942 shooter game. As you hold objectives the enemy victory level goes down faster, and your level goes down slower. The effect is not sudden but gradual. I think this can be more realistic than entering a "victory hex" with your last remaining units and then winning the battle. Depends on the scenario of course.

The "dummy objectives" can be used so the player cannot know for certain where the AI opponent will be going. This way it's less effective to ambush the AI by overwatching an objective location.


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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 2:14:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Veitikka,

Thanks for your game - I'm enjoying it more since seeing Russian Heel's vids above.

Is anything happening to the AB1943 mod ?

Written quickly seeing you are online.

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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 2:19:48 PM   
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Have you seen the Command Ops - Battle of The Bulge - victory conditions?

Some are for holding by length of time
Some by holding at the end of the scenario
Some by casualties inflicted


So suppose the scenario is a retreat from Greece; if you run away too soon you don't get points for holding but low casualties; if you fight to the bitter end you may get points for holding but casualties will be higher.





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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 2:37:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: altipueri

Is anything happening to the AB1943 mod ?


It seems to be in active development, with a new update uploaded to Steam Workshop yesterday.


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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 2:50:26 PM   
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Veitikka,

Have you seen the Command Ops - Battle of The Bulge - victory conditions?

Some are for holding by length of time
Some by holding at the end of the scenario
Some by casualties inflicted


So suppose the scenario is a retreat from Greece; if you run away too soon you don't get points for holding but low casualties; if you fight to the bitter end you may get points for holding but casualties will be higher.







I haven't played Command Ops lately, but in AB objectives can have a timer. After timing out the objective cannot be captured and disappears from the map, but still affects scoring. This feature can be used to make a scenario where you're supposed to hold a position for some time and then withdraw.


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RE: Why objectives? - 10/27/2021 3:06:06 PM   
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RE: Why objectives? - 10/30/2021 6:33:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Veitikka


quote:

ORIGINAL: altipueri

Veitikka,

Have you seen the Command Ops - Battle of The Bulge - victory conditions?

Some are for holding by length of time
Some by holding at the end of the scenario
Some by casualties inflicted


So suppose the scenario is a retreat from Greece; if you run away too soon you don't get points for holding but low casualties; if you fight to the bitter end you may get points for holding but casualties will be higher.







I haven't played Command Ops lately, but in AB objectives can have a timer. After timing out the objective cannot be captured and disappears from the map, but still affects scoring. This feature can be used to make a scenario where you're supposed to hold a position for some time and then withdraw.


Ah, so that's what the timer is for! Are there any pre-made missions that use it?

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RE: Why objectives? - 11/1/2021 5:56:36 PM   
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RE: Why objectives? - 11/2/2021 7:07:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Veitikka, thanks for the response. AB is unique in so many ways and I'm still trying to master it. Great Game!

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