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ASW ? - 11/2/2021 7:05:15 PM

gpcgarag

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Can some of the more expirenced Players please give me some Advice?

-DDs and ASW Tech is somewhat clear (ASW Tec Lvl and U-Boat Tec Lvl should be on pair? )
-Escord Carriers is also somewhat clear
-Marine Bombers is also somewhat clear
-Torpedo Boats ????? need answers on them please
-Why even if going step by step with DDs they are suprise attacked when you go near a U-boot?

Thanks in advance

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RE: ASW ? - 11/3/2021 12:11:24 AM

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Torpedo Boats are modeled strangely in the vanilla scenarios. They have a higher Sub Attack than fleet destroyers do, but a lower Sub Defense. Too slow to send out into the convoy lanes to try to find and sink subs. [If they are intended to model German S-boats and US PT-boats, well, those were most definitely NOT optimized for ASW warfare outside of a few maverick USN lt.'s who bolted depth charge racks onto the back of the things.]

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RE: ASW ? - 11/3/2021 6:32:09 AM

EarlyDoors

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Step by step?
Spotting doesn�t work like that

On the first move, every unit uses it spotting
Steps after that do not

Both subs and destroyers are more effective when units run into them
It�s a waiting game�.

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RE: ASW ? - 11/3/2021 10:21:31 AM

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Torpedo Boats are modeled strangely in the vanilla scenarios. They have a higher Sub Attack than fleet destroyers do, but a lower Sub Defense. Too slow to send out into the convoy lanes to try to find and sink subs. [If they are intended to model German S-boats and US PT-boats, well, those were most definitely NOT optimized for ASW warfare outside of a few maverick USN lt.'s who bolted depth charge racks onto the back of the things.]

Agree MTBs are too slow for the open ocean. But torpedo boats have one very useful skill. They can make powerful attacks against subs and ships in port. So if a lightly damaged sub / ship retreats to port (Norway, France, Italy, NA) you can attack it with an MTB and do a lot of damage. Destroyers and cruisers can't do that. Many of the key ports are within MTB range in Europe. Not sure they have a big role to play in the Pacific because of the distances.

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RE: ASW ? - 11/4/2021 9:23:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gpcgarag

Can some of the more expirenced Players please give me some Advice?

-DDs and ASW Tech is somewhat clear (ASW Tec Lvl and U-Boat Tec Lvl should be on pair? )
-Escord Carriers is also somewhat clear
-Marine Bombers is also somewhat clear
-Torpedo Boats ????? need answers on them please
-Why even if going step by step with DDs they are suprise attacked when you go near a U-boot?

Thanks in advance

When you are using your DD's (or any other vessel)..move a bit..then Deselect..look..Select..move..Deselect..rinse and repeat. This maybe what you are referring to 'step by step?'. This works when looking for surfaced U-boats at least and avoids ambushes. Its a bit of a 'twitch' skill.

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RE: ASW ? - 11/5/2021 5:58:53 PM

gpcgarag

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

quote:

ORIGINAL: gpcgarag

Can some of the more expirenced Players please give me some Advice?

-DDs and ASW Tech is somewhat clear (ASW Tec Lvl and U-Boat Tec Lvl should be on pair? )
-Escord Carriers is also somewhat clear
-Marine Bombers is also somewhat clear
-Torpedo Boats ????? need answers on them please
-Why even if going step by step with DDs they are suprise attacked when you go near a U-boot?

Thanks in advance

When you are using your DD's (or any other vessel)..move a bit..then Deselect..look..Select..move..Deselect..rinse and repeat. This maybe what you are referring to 'step by step?'. This works when looking for surfaced U-boats at least and avoids ambushes. Its a bit of a 'twitch' skill.

I didnt mean to exploit, i was just curious how it works. In my currrent Games i get ambushed alot with my DDs and I think ill use them wrong.

But thanks to anybod giving me advice here

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