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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/11/2022 8:31:10 PM   
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Panthers of the elite German LXXVI Armor Corps move up to the start line for their spring offensive.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 11:05:15 AM   
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BOA-3 convoy attacks sink 4 MM, no sub losses. England achieves new convoy escort tech(1944).

Germany-Heavy rain grounds US heavy bombers. It is unlikely bomber command would have sent them up this turn anyway, though decent weather to aid in recovery sure would be nice.

Africa-Minor jostling of forces. Germany's recovered armor is moved into reserve, taking over for new Italian armor. This front would be very, very difficult to crack.

Med-Here, there is a major problem. Allied planners had discounted a cross Channel invasion in 1943 as too risky given the number of German formations arrayed on the Atlantic Wall. On the other end of the spectrum, a repeat invasion of West Africa was deemed likely to succeed, but not be enough of a threat to Germany to impact its spring offensive in the East.

This left an invasion of southern France, or a strike into Greece. As one could likely surmise by the level of effort expended to take islands in the eastern Med, we have selected Greece as the target for a major invasion in 1943. This op, code named Olympus, was to be given every priority. Planning was to launch it on the first clear weather pattern following the German offensive in Russian. The first phase was to drive the Italian Fleet from its port in Taranto with carrier strikes. Once accomplished, air assets would pound the defenders of Athens. Then, the first major air drop of the war would be made using US VIII Airborne and UK 1st Airborne. They would be supported by multiple amphibious landings, and the entire Allied battle fleet. Because Athens is in hills, US Mountain Corps are currently being trained for exactly this op. They are not, however, ready yet. A concurrent landing on the west coast of the Greek peninsula vs the Italian holding of Tirane would be carried out by Canadian forces. Similarly, a landing by US Marines on beaches north of Athens would be made to slow any rail reinforcements coming from the north.

All of this presupposes weak opposition, with only minimal forces in Greece. The invasion forces, however, are designed to be able to handle a full weak corps in Athens, which is our best guess as to what's there.

Here, however, is the problem. If you have figured out where we are going to strike, so has Nirosi. This turn, two new formations, one German, one Bulgarian, have arrived in Greece. All the carefully laid plans for Olympus are in jeopardy.

Nirosi pulled off a one turn destruction of Greece. He knows the key to taking Athens in one turn-something deemed absolutely vital by planners of Olympus, is dependent on airborne drops in the hills surrounding the city. If he can move small forces into orbit around Athens, such a drop will become impossible. One drop site is already occupied.





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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 12:18:58 PM   
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Med/Little Olypmus(Little O)

Should more Axis forces be moved into the Greece Theater, Olympus simply could not be launched.

There are two viable alternatives to Olympus: the invasion of S France, or no major op in 1943.

The s France option(Dragoon) is actually a better option then Olympus. It puts more pressure on Germany, and the terrain is FAR better for offensive operations. The supply situation, however, would be very perilous, as we would be in Italy's western sphere. The bigger problem, however, is the Vichy fleet. Considering our losses and the fact that NO Axis warships have been sunk in this entire conflict, along with the fact that most of our ships are upgraded to 1940 or '41 tech at best, the addition of the Vichy Fleet could tip the balance of sea supremacy dangerously close to Axis advantage. We will not launch Dragoon.

The other option-no major op-is the most dangerous. This course of action effectively leaves Russia on her own, giving Germany and her friends a free hand for 6-7 months. Russian might not survive WITH a second front. She certainly won't survive without one.

Which brings us back to Olympus. Obviously, we cannot launch Olympus as planned. However, we could launch a smaller, dirtier op. This op is given the codename Little Olympus, quickly shortened to Little O. We would not have time to drive off the Italian fleet. Thus, the landing in Western Greece is a no go. Additionally, no US Mountain Corps are in the theater yet, but there ARE regular Corps, which had been earmarked as follow up forces. English airborne are at 96% effectiveness. With a supply truck, they can jump. US paras are at 100%, but get a truck none the less.

Oddly, I feel a strong confidence that this hurried op could succeed. Additionally, while it is risky, it is clearly the least risky of the three possibilities.

Little O is a go.

All fleets have had a bit of time in port. They are not at 100%, but mostly in upper 60s or better in readiness. Three smaller fleets sortie to rendezvous off the coast of Athens. Both paras drop into the hills to the west of the city, and US VII Corps makes an amphibious landing NE of the city, while VIII Corps lands to the south. We had hoped to land an HQ on a beach as well to give attack bonus(Patton), but he is not on a port, so this idea has to be scrapped.

US and UK bombers hammer the defenders of Athens(which is indeed a full corps in garrison mode), and we carefully position our best tac bomber to be able to support the initial assault. Since this op is obviously not supported as well as we had planned, we are dependent on the Axis formation retreating. To this end, at ruinous cost, we give every formation the infiltrator specialty, which adds a 5% chance the enemy will retreat, meaning overall we increase the chance of retreat by 20%. This is a bit of a waste on the small airborne formations, but we desperately need to take Athens. The cost is worth it.

The initial attack goes in at 2-1 odds, but I do not think this figures in the naval support(which is immense-3 carriers, 6 BB) or air support. Still, only 3 step losses on both sides, and the Germans do not retreat. The second attack is at 3-1, and we do even worse, 5 step losses for us, 4 for the Germans.

Just like that, Little O fails. The infiltrator perks fail to dislodge the low quality German formation(7th Volksgrenadier), and we are left with 4 stranded formations, all ruinously expensive, without supply or a port.

I won't lie, at this point, I saved my turn and walked away in disgust.

The next day dawns(both in game and in real life) and Allied planners are left with a disastrous situation. However, we still have some assets in play. The two Canadian formations are in port. Tirane is out of reach, but what about the small port of Kalamuta in SW Greece? There are beaches N and SE of the city. And we still have a few warships remaining. Is it worth risking MORE troops? Would this port even save the invasion if it is taken? How likely is it to succeed?


Truthfully, it is a terrible op for several reasons. The potential disaster around Athens, however, demands any effort be made. The Canadians board their assault ships and steam north. North of Kalamuta, the landing is made, but this beach is not adjacent to the port. We thought we could march inland and support the assault, but we don't have enough OPs. Had I known this, I would have never attempted this.


That leaves only Canadian II Assault Corps, with no air support and minimal naval support facing off vs the entrenched Italian 3rd Coastal Corps. WE get 4-1 odds before the naval modifier, and in an amazing result, the Canadians displace the Italians in one attack. The Italians retreat north-too bad, had they headed east or south, we could have entrapped them. However, we will take it! II Assault Corps occupies the port, providing some minimal supply to Allied landing forces(but not all of them).

Overall, this is mildly better. Two Allied formations are still out of supply, our smaller fleet in the west is VERY vulnerable, and taking Athens next turn is certainly not assured. Considering that the Canadian landing achieved what I would consider a minor miracle, one would think we would be in better shape.

Here is how things look at the end of the two phases of Little O.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 12:42:16 PM   
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North(Konev/Garisimenko)-Leningrad hangs by a thread, but German formations remain in garrison mode. For now, we are safe.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 12:46:08 PM   
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East Front-Center(Vatutin) All armor has been withdrawn from the Broler salient. It is stationed on the railways east of the Dnieper, like great metal links in a chain that stretches a thousand miles. These formations are in relatively good shape, mostly very near 30 steps, with good readiness. A strong concentration of German formations is north of the Berezina river, S of Smolensk.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 12:52:26 PM   
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East Front-South(Zhukov)

The bridgeheads west of the Dnieper around Kiev, which cost tens of thousands of Russian lives and untold resources to carve out are given up without a shot being fired, along with all other ground gained in the ill fated Broler offensive. None too soon, as the snows here have stopped. Multiple shock armies, along with 3 tank corps and 3 mech corps are held in reserve in the south(Rokossovsky), while the great line of Russian armor along the Desna river east of the Pripyet backs the northern half of this front, along with some mech units and second line armies. The Germans will breach the Dnieper line. The question is, what will happen when our reserves collide with their offensives? My guess is, Russian forces will be annihilated while doing very little damage, because thus far, that is what has happened in every single engagement.

Time will tell.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 12:59:28 PM   
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US forces on the beaches outside of Athens. Efforts to move inland are stonewalled by the Germans.





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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 1:03:19 PM   
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Canadian troops unload on rocky beaches near the port of Kalamata.

This op was officially part of Little O, but amongst the Canadian troops, it was nicknamed "Hail Mary" for its likelihood(or lack there of) for success.

Will the unlikely heroics of the Canadians save the Allies from yet another disaster?




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 1:04:36 PM   
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The Allies used every possible asset at their disposal.

However, at the end of the day, the Swastika still flies over Athens.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 1:09:07 PM   
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Russian losses have been almost too numerically great to comprehend.

But many armored formations still await the Wehrmacht east of the Dnieper.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 1:13:03 PM   
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The Red Army has been outclassed in every engagement in every way.

What does it still have going for it? The incredibly stout morale of 'Ivan' the every day soldier.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 9:45:56 PM   
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From the manual
“Infiltrator—The unit specializes in mobile combat tactics of infiltration to penetrate enemy defenses gaining +5% bonus to force a defender to retreat. An attacker may benefit from only one infiltrator per attack”
Would have been better to make one of the units artillery the other 2 elite. That would have maximized the chances of success. Sometime though **** just happens.

Good luck. Following the AAR enthusiastically.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/14/2022 11:26:48 PM   
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First: thank you for telling me that.

Second: oh no!

Honestly at one point I thought about checking that but like most of my thoughts it was fleeting.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/15/2022 12:17:28 AM   
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Montrose's Toast!

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/15/2022 12:32:22 AM   
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Montrose's Toast!



Explain…

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/15/2022 4:04:45 AM   
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I googled it. Don't really understand it but here it is.....

""He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War"

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/15/2022 1:16:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aoffen

I googled it. Don't really understand it but here it is.....

""He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War"

Aoffen, as I understand it, the toast means You're either too afraid that you're going to lose or the amount at stake isn't worth it to not gamble everything you have on one throw of the dice.

I'm also really enjoying the AAR! I look forward to it every day. At least you're ashore in Europe with the Western Allies. :) Any effort he expends to expel you is effort that's not aimed at Russia. Fingers crossed that it's enough.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/15/2022 1:16:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aoffen

I googled it. Don't really understand it but here it is.....

""He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War"



I think it is a more eloquent way of saying, 'No balls, no blue chips'

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 11:46:34 AM   
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BOA-4 Convoy attacks sink 11 MM while suffering 0 step hits, despite hitting convoy lanes with 10 escorts and capital ship support. Disappointing on the turn after the UK had a bump in escort tech. The BOA continues to both confound and depress me.

Germany-Light rain again suppresses the effectiveness recovery of US bombers. All formations are between 60-69%. German cities except for Essen are all completely rebuilt due to our pause in bombing. After long consideration, we decide to again not send the bombers up.

Olympus-The absolute worst thing that could happen happens. I never even considered heavy rain, but probably should have. This is horrible for us, and fantastic for the Axis. Because Nirosi had all his forces in garrison mode and had to rail in the rest, there was no way for him to counter attack this turn. The rain is in no way an impediment. We, on the other hand, with one airborne unit isolated and two assault corps on the beach, desperately, desperately need to take Athens.

If there is one thing I have learned playing WP, it is DO NOT attack in bad snow or rain. No matter what the odds say. The odds here are 1:1, which we all know are terrible. Furthermore, the heavy rain means none of our aircraft can hit Athens to batter the defenders or support an assault.

And it gets worse. One way we could help is to move up a Canadian formation to help in the attack, but the heavy rain prohibits this. Furthermore, another way to boost our forces would be to land HQ units in Kalmata. The problem with this is, Nirosi has parked all his subs 5 hexes away-meaning they would get pot shots at ANY unit that tried to land there. I've been burned twice in this game by ignoring these subs(maybe 3 times?), I'm not doing that again. Furthermore, we can't really supply any more units until we take Athens.

If Nirosi gets a fresh unit into Athens, I think it is over. But try as I might, I cannot determine if he can do that. Does that unit on the beach NE of Athens project a ZOC control north of the city? I don't think so. But maybe.

We land as much air as possible in Greece to protect our troops, and launch ineffective air strikes vs the Italian subs.

This is causing me far more consternation in RL than it should. I stare at this screen for a LONG time, trying to decide what to do.






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 12:04:58 PM   
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After a night of sleep, the Allies make a decision(kind of).

We will launch two attacks vs the garrison in Athens to keep them from recovering, and move Canadians to be able to help attack next turn. Then the US airborne will be moved north to block reinforcement, though this will doom that formation.

We also burn another landing craft and safely land Patton on the east coast of Greece to coordinate the attacks. The first attack does 3 step hits-not bad. The second one does 4, and the Axis corps retreats. I'm honestly dumbfounded. Between weather and some bad combat results, I have often felt very unlucky in this game(doesn't everyone?) but this result strikes me as very fortunate. Knowing that only one of the infiltrator perks can work at once, as aoffen pointed out, means that I think we got very lucky.

Here is Greece now-







If we hold Athens next turn, our supply situation will be MUCH better. But if the Axis can man the choke N of Athens(something they are sure to do)_we could face a situation where we are hopelessly bottled up.

Still, for this turn, we are thankful. The Fleet remains off the coast of Athens. They need to refit and refuel soon, but for this turn, their guns will help the US VII Corps defend the city.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 12:17:30 PM   
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April 9, 1943 Africa

Flush with success in Greece, Allied planners notice a possibility to stress the Axis line. The Italian 2nd Fortress Corps holds the southern part of the Axis line here. It is an anti tank specialist. The last few turns, we have moved forces around so that two US infantry corps(II and VI Corps) are adjacent to it. We get 2-1 odds here, and decide to attack. It is a bloody battle, with lots of step losses, air and ground, on both sides. Italian bombers hammer away at the attack forces. 3 assaults by US infantry see at first Allied forces taking more casualties, but by the third attack, the tables are turning. The fourth assault goes even better, but the fifth sees the worn down US troops score 2 hits and take 2 hits. We rotate out VI Corps and move up the elite 2nd Armor Corps. The fifth attack destroys the Italian corps.

We study the situation, and decide to move up the anti armor US 3rd Armor. After moving it up, we feel some trepidation. It will certainly be hit with a massive Axis counter attack next turn. Still, it should be able to retreat behind friendly troops next turn.

The US, incidentally, hit 1944 tech in breakthrough and assault techs last turn. All of these forces were upgraded, because we had very high expenditures on reinforcement for our bombers, but these ground troops were also earmarked for upgrades.

Africa now-






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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 12:35:22 PM   
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East Front

North(Konev) German forces here remain in garrison mode. Soviet sub group K-12 sinks Axis MM for the second turn, which makes me stupidly happy. Unfortunately a fliegerkorps spots them and hammers them, dealing 3 step losses and sending them back to port. Do I even have to say how jealous I am?

Center(Vatutin)-No noticeable Axis activity here.

South(Zhukov/Rokossovsky)-Axis forces seal the breach in the Pripyet caused by Broler and reoccupy all territory.

One other movement of note-Elite Axis armor in the salient near Dnepropetrovsk is no longer there. Was it rotated out to give infantry a position to breach the river defenses? Or was it rotated out to move to Greece? And which would be worse?

Oddly, north and central fronts see clear weather, only the south is snowy. The last of the 'free' Russian reserve formations becomes available this turn. Stavka continues to build one AT army and one supply truck each turn. The Red Air Force is also now being earmarked for reinforcements to try and make the remaining formations available in late spring or summer.

At this point, there are three notable Axis troops concentrations, one south of Smolensk, one near Kiev, and the largest one near Dnepropetrovsk. Stavka continues to puzzle over what the possible motivations of Axis planners are. If they are gearing up for a defensive struggle, our devotion to AT infantry might be a mistake. For now, Stavka plays it safe and orders the construction of yet another AT army.

Southern Front-






Russia is 32 days away from 1944 heavy armor tech. This is a breakthrough that could seriously impact the front.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 1:02:59 PM   
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Italians troops in this war have been a tough mark for Allied forces. On many occasions, they have stood and fought to their own destruction rather than surrender.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 1:04:42 PM   
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Newly upgunned Sherman Fireflies move forward in the dessert. Next turn, they will likely get to test their mettle vs the very best the Afrika Korps has to offer.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 1:11:16 PM   
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The USA carrier Ranger attempts to support convoy routes in the Northern Atlantic without success.




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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 3:04:58 PM   
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Way to go with Athens! And, any clear turn he does not attack you in the USSR is a victory of it's own kind. :)

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 3:57:31 PM   
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Way to go with Athens! And, any clear turn he does not attack you in the USSR is a victory of it's own kind. :)



Thank you.

Though I can’t really take credit. It was really meant to be a spoiling attack in preparation for next turn. But man was I happy.

In the East, it’s clear and cold. Perhaps Nirosi is waiting for even better weather.

That said I agree. I’m a bit perplexed as to what is coming in the East.

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 8:43:44 PM   
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Keep up the pressure. Things are looking better. The BoA is a worry though. I haven’t got this far in a game against a love opponent yet so it worries me. What is your convoy tech for the Alllies?

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/16/2022 9:06:43 PM   
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April' 43..... What does Vichy North Africa look like? Who is in control there?

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RE: Nirosi vs Boldairade(NO Nirosi for now...) - 1/17/2022 12:49:37 AM   
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April' 43..... What does Vichy North Africa look like? Who is in control there?



If you read earlier in the AAR you'll see I launched an ill conceived invasion of NW africa in 1941. It left N africa firmly in axis hands with the vichy formations untouched and allied with the Axis.






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