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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

You mentioned the UK's NM being a bit low too, is that something we need to discuss?

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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

I'm having the same effect with USA NM in 1946..in a long running PBEM match pre V 1.12.0 started in Sept 2021.
USA down to 57%...and has been sliding for some time. Japan is out of the war c. Aug 1945. France was liberated. Italy liberated. Greece liberated, Hungary surrendered but was taken back. The Soviet Union did fall in early 1946, so this maybe main cause. Have had American combat losses from German counter attacks but not on the scale compared with the NM losses I have seen.

This cascading effect I have seen with SC-WW1 and the loss of Verdun to Germany for example, and a small turn by turn drop in France's NM can be seen. This I understand and it makes sense. In this current WaW PBEM match, I looked all over the map and reports to see if the constant and inexorable NM loss the USA is suffering is happening because of the same kind of trigger as the Verdun example, or even the loss of Moscow. I could find nothing.

I have been rationalizing this as some kind of 'war weariness' with the fickle American public. You would think though, with victory over Japan, the liberation of France and Italy...plus constant though costly destruction of German formations, that National Morale would have some gain..or at least a slow down or stop of this constant NM attrition that the USA is suffering.

I maybe missing something here..but when I saw this thread come up a few days ago...well it range a bell.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

I'm having the same effect with USA NM in 1946..in a long running PBEM match pre V 1.12.0 started in Sept 2021.
USA down to 57%...and has been sliding for some time. Japan is out of the war c. Aug 1945. France was liberated. Italy liberated. Greece liberated, Hungary surrendered but was taken back. The Soviet Union did fall in early 1946, so this maybe main cause. Have had American combat losses from German counter attacks but not on the scale compared with the NM losses I have seen.

This cascading effect I have seen with SC-WW1 and the loss of Verdun to Germany for example, and a small turn by turn drop in France's NM can be seen. This I understand and it makes sense. In this current WaW PBEM match, I looked all over the map and reports to see if the constant and inexorable NM loss the USA is suffering is happening because of the same kind of trigger as the Verdun example, or even the loss of Moscow. I could find nothing.

I have been rationalizing this as some kind of 'war weariness' with the fickle American public. You would think though, with victory over Japan, the liberation of France and Italy...plus constant though costly destruction of German formations, that National Morale would have some gain..or at least a slow down or stop of this constant NM attrition that the USA is suffering.

I maybe missing something here..but when I saw this thread come up a few days ago...well it range a bell.

I would need to know more about the situation to comment further, e.g. a constant drain on US NM that isn't related to combat losses makes me suspect that one or more of the Pacific locations that trigger negative impacts on US NM remain under Axis occupation?

Update: I've just looked through all the US's NM scripts and there aren't any other drains on it than the Pacific locations or actual invasion.

If need be, give me the challenge id and I'll take a look at your game.

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ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

Japan currently holds
- home islands
- china
- singapore
- DEI
- phillipines
- russian eastern cities

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Now that US NM is being reduced more in game I'll definitely have to provide some counter-boosts for victories over the Axis.

I'll also take a look at boosting the UK's NM further if London is lost and then liberated.

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ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

I can't find the changelog for ? v1.12 ?
Can you post the pacific locations that affect NM?

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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

Bill,

The Challenge ID for my match is 329949. Will have to wait to do good quality screen shots when my opponent returns a turn. Mind you this is a pre V. 1.12.00 match, so there are no Pacific triggers going on. It could be combat casualties but never saw my Soviets suffer such a persistent NM loss as the Americans have.

With a test with the latest version, I also agree that the USA should have some kind of options to regain NM mid and late game..as suggested by Bill. (Counter Boosts). I really like the Pacific changes by the way...makes for other strategy Japan may want to try instead of the 'Wipe China off the Map' standard formula....

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ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

July 1946
Allies have liberated
- urumchi (china is back in the game)
- singapore
- DEI
- formosa & okinawa

manilla holding out
guam holding

russians beseiging irkutsk

Challenge ID 346287

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

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ORIGINAL: EarlyDoors

I can't find the changelog for ? v1.12 ?
Can you post the pacific locations that affect NM?

Here are the relevant ones:

The USA currently loses 25 National Morale points per turn if Hawaii including its ports are under Axis occupation. This will now increase to 125 points per turn that Honolulu is occupied by the Axis. It will increase to 250 points per turn from the 1st January 1943, and 350 points per turn from the 1st January 1944 (ElvisJJonesRambo ; firsteds; taffjones; pjg100).
• The USA will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Manila is occupied by the Axis. This will increase to 100 points per turn from the 1st January 1944.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that American Samoa is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Kukum is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Fiji is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Guam is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Batavia is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Sydney is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Wellington is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Singapore is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK and USA will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Calcutta is occupied by the Axis, while India will lose 75.

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The USA currently loses 25 National Morale points per turn if Hawaii including its ports are under Axis occupation. This will now increase to 125 points per turn that Honolulu is occupied by the Axis. It will increase to 250 points per turn from the 1st January 1943, and 350 points per turn from the 1st January 1944 (ElvisJJonesRambo ; firsteds; taffjones; pjg100).
• The USA will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Manila is occupied by the Axis. This will increase to 100 points per turn from the 1st January 1944.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that American Samoa is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Kukum is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Fiji is occupied by the Axis.
• The USA will now lose 30 National Morale points per turn that Guam is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Batavia is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Sydney is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK, USA and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Wellington is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK and India will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Singapore is occupied by the Axis.
• The UK and USA will now lose 50 National Morale points per turn that Calcutta is occupied by the Axis, while India will lose 75.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

Thanks for this, I've had a look and run a test and you'll be glad to know that only casualties are reducing US National Morale at the moment.

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ORIGINAL: ElvisJJonesRambo

Morale didn't turn around for the Yanks, because some accountant added up donations to the Red Cross. After the disaster of Battle of Kasserine Pass, things changed, because of one person. Morale improved, General Patton. Things changed, in 10 days with real leadership. All the German hype was over. No more sleeping farmers in Poland, Demark, Netherlands, France, etc. Patton should clearly be the highest ranked & influencing piece in the game. Repeat, things changed in 10-days. Same men, same equipment, same everything, that had just got their asses kicked. Patton is the real deal. All the Bunta worship can be tossed out the window. This is no different than comparing the bums the North had in early days of 1861 (McClellan , Burnside, Hooker), then came Grant from the West. Ulysses was a beast.

Wherever Patton is, morale should be spiked up, big-time. That's a fact, and undeniable. HQ pieces need modified. Too many bums given nearly same skillset. Patton is a 10. If Rommel was so smart, he wouldn't have been buying shoes on D-Day. If Manstein & the rest were so dam_n good, they would have packed a jacket, hung up the phone on the Corporal and not get erased at Stalingrad.

Patton was stripped of his command, before D-Day; AND HE STILL WAS A FACTOR. The Germans knew he was the man. Dude was a 10-rated General w/o even have an Army. Decoy.

Clearly, this dude should be a 10