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RE: Why no updated Baltic/Nordic scenario? - 2/14/2022 8:12:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Finland and Sweden has a defense collaboration so they would more or less have to unless they broke that treaty :).

Anyway that last scenario should provide some real data but it would need some updates obviously.

https://www.government.se/government-policy/defence-cooperation-between-finland-and-sweden/#:~:text=The%20two%20countries%20have%20similar,the%20United%20Nations%20and%20NATO.

"The aim of the cooperation between Sweden and Finland is to improve their defensive capabilities, conduct joint operations and promote common defence interests, such as improving the security situation in the Baltic Sea Region."

Obviously they don't have to but it would be bad form, maybe revenge for 39 but still :).

This is a good summary even if a bit dated on the defence plan regarding Gotland. Regular Google Translate should do it ;).

https://kkrva.se/forsvara-gotland-varfor-och-hur/

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RE: Why no updated Baltic/Nordic scenario? - 2/14/2022 10:14:43 AM   
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Make sure to give Sweden plenty of these then :).
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When you say 'plenty', could you be more specific? With land, sea and air variants, and the amount of money Sweden is spending on them - there cannot be that many.

There would be 40 on the Visby's, 32 on the Goteborg's, and another 16 on the Goteborg's. Hard to pin down the Land based Btys but my suspicion is one Bty of about 72 missiles - 160 non air assuming no reloads. This of course also assumes they are all loaded all the time which is not a very good assumption.


Air launched ASMs can be expended very quickly, but this is a huge variable in scenarios. Considering what I have been able to find in open source, Sweden is spending ~1/10th of what Germany or Poland are on these missiles. My guess is that there are less than 48 available - is that reasonable?

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RE: Why no updated Baltic/Nordic scenario? - 2/14/2022 11:24:48 AM   
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Anyway that last scenario should provide some real data but it would need some updates obviously.


marcusm,

OH yeah!

1. Moved many of the Russian squadrons/cargo/S-300 & S-400s to more forward positions in the Baltics with reasonable losses.
2. MiG-31Ks moved to their current positions in Kaliningrad with their missiles.
3. One Russian airborne division (in transports and cargo) has been removed (so the player now can airdrop about 2 battalions during a 24 hour scenario)
4. WRT to Poland and Finland, How scenario design goes, sometimes you need to develop a convenient fiction to keep things under control. Otherwise where do you stop????? Before you know it you have a scenario that stretches from Nord Kapp to Istanbul, and I've done it!!!!!!!!!
5. Added more Russian vessels from the Baltic Fleet (interestingly three of their main amphibs are in the Black Sea right now. That makes the cargo (amphib) operations more interesting. Definitely needs to be an airborne/airmobile/amphib (A Cubed? ) operation all timed closely. Just amphibs isn't going to get the job does right now.
6. Have the Standing NATO Maritime Group One (SNMG1) formed based on the current open source OOB on the NATO website.
7. So Sweden Cooperates/joins in with NATO, Finland sits it out, Poland, looking down the barrels of BTG's with T-90S's and SS-26C missiles, withdraws from NATO. What could possibly go wrong???????

Al

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RE: Why no updated Baltic/Nordic scenario? - 2/14/2022 12:15:33 PM   
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Before you know it you have a scenario that stretches from Nord Kapp to Istanbul, and I've done it!!!!!!!!!


Only counts if you go from Gibraltar to Moscow as well

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