Mike_B20
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[QUOTE=Mogami]Hi, These numbers are from one of my PBEM games. The date is 11-24-42
I have lost a total of 23 B-17E so far.
I do not fly naval strikes or patrol with B-17. I also do not train the groups because they are already mostly trained. So these mission totals reflect
Port/Airfield/Ground attack missions. I escort the groups when possible.
In this game the Japanese are on Luganville and I have divided my B-17 between 3 airfields. Noumea, Tomo, and Efate. I have 145 B-17 on map and have lost 23. This is a 13.6 Percent loss rate.(23 of 168) (my mission rate is around .5 percent)(10 percent per mission for 13 full strength group would be 15.6 ac per mission. At my present strength it would be 14.5 ac per mission. )
Group-# of pilots-Avg Exp-highest mission total-ac in group
23rd-8-65-2-8
26th-13-74-27-12
28th-12-85-30-12
30th-12-58-7-10
31st-12-60-3-12
42nd-13-76-25-12
63rd-14-70-21-9
64th-13-71-11-11
65th-13-72-12-12
72nd-12-76-20-11
98th-11-68-21-11
403rd-12-71-11-12
435th-12-76-30-11[/QUOTE]
The stats for my B17's in my current PBEM scenario 17 as at 5th December 42.
Pilots AC Exp
31st BS 9 9 57
23rd BS 11 11 68
72nd 15 10 70
431st 15 10 64
98th 15 10 65
26th 25 11 65
42nd 15 12 72
403rd 13 12 66
65th 15 10 64
64th 11 11 68
63rd 15 12 65
30th 15 10 81
28th 21 9 79
I've lost 27 B17's so far.
I tend to use approximately half my B17's on search missions to train them up.
If I'm not intending to fly a bombing mission in the next few days I'll have all my b17's on approx 30-40% Naval Search.
I've lost a few (several?) B17's changing bases and 1 B17 flying Naval Search mission in thunderstorm.
Most (all?) B17 missions for this game shown below.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/07/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Gili Gili , at 17,42
Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 4
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24 * flew from Cairns, daylight no operational losses
no losses
no losses
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 15
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4
Attacking Level Bombers:
6 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 20000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/13/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Buna , at 12,38
Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 5
B-17E Fortress x 19 * From Cairns, daylight, 1 operational loss *
no losses
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 37
Port supply hits 3
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/05/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 8 * flew from Cairns, daylight, 4 lost *
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 39
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2
Attacking Level Bombers:
8 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
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Air attack on Port Moresby , at 10,40
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 3
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 21 * flew from Cairns
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 5 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 206
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 10000 feet
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Air attack on Tulagi , at 38,39
Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 31 * flew from Luganville
no losses
no losses
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 23
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Attacking Level Bombers:
0 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
1 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/12/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 16 * From Luganville, night flight, 3 lost
no losses
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress at 12000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/04/42
Weather: Clear
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Japanese aircraft
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 31 * from Luganville, night, 2 lost
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 1 damaged
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/22/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 29 *From Kourourotopo, night, no losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 47
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 2
Attacking Level Bombers:
6 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/24/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Japanese aircraft
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24 *from Kourourotopo, night, 4 losses
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty x 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 4
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/25/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19 *From Kourourotopo, night , no losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 9
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/28/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 22 * from Kourouratopo, night, 3 losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 46
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 17
Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/04/42
Weather: Partly Cloudy
Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 37
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 9 damaged * From Wunpunko, daylight, 6 lost (ouch)*
Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 116
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 47
Attacking Level Bombers:
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
0 x B-17E Fortress at 8000 feet
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