Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Major Mess

I second that, it's distressing to see the tone of this forum lately.

Its a GAME.

A FREE GAME.

Thank you everyone who has been part of this game.

Lets have fun.

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ORIGINAL: Alby

This forum used to be a place where people from all over the world could come together, discuss a great game, post actual data, newbies could get the help and support they needed, and we could laugh and poke fun at each other.
Now we have posts being deleted left and right, the people who are deleting the posts seem to post just as insulting and inflamatory remarks as the ones that were deleted.
From the outside looking in, not posting alot these days, but just reading, It seems a select few now seem to run the show, kept every change secret, but criticize those who call for OOB accuracy.
The oob issue is so simple its pitiful, just make evrything they way is was HISTORICALLY!!
Do not get me wrong, all the work done for 8.0 was and is Greatly appreciated, BUT, to me it looked as if the oobs turned into someones personal set, they had made and been experimenting with. I know we should have never even gotten an 8.0, but if was said it was going to be done, then the long long delays, then to get someones fantasy oobs!!!!
I know I am not too far off base in that statement, or we would not be having all the OOB discussion we are having now.
All the testing that was done, and the long delay, no one noticed that MGs were now able to destroy tanks???
Anyway for me, 8.0 was a step BACK. I do not feel I am alone in this statement.
And before anyone says "you did not volunteer" I have worked on previous OOB sets, 7.0 and 7.1. but simply do not have time I used to.

We, before 8.0 and even before 7.1 had these same oob discussion threads, people posted actual statistics, references and the like, but yet, many were ignored or overlooked for the "right feel". This is why I feel alot of the discussions now have become heated and imflamatory.

Everyone who worked on 8.0 deserves credit for their hard work, do not let that go unmentioned!

C'mon guys Lets get this place back to being the kind of place I know it can be!!
Sorry if I offended anyone, but enough is enough!!

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ORIGINAL: robot

I posted a new thred to bernie yesterday and now its gone. It was about the meeting later on this year in fort knox. What did happen yesterday i had a heck of a time gettin in today. Seems my password was lost.

Also noticed any replys i made are gone too from yesterday.

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ORIGINAL: Tombstone

It's probably not worth getting into but hey... Accomplishing historical accuracy is hard enough to accomplish alone. Telling the developers that's all they have to do is unfair. But these guys have to do MUCH more than that. I'm fairly certain the oob folks aren't trying to make a PzIIIe balanced in combat vs. an A10 cruiser. When you're trying to balance a game you are trying to take the axes of control that the player has (practically speaking this means force selection) and make it so that a balance can be controlled. Figuring out how that balance is extraordinarily complex, and also very important. You want to know what's possible and not WITHIN the scope of the play experience. Certainly SPWAW attempts to provide an experience that comes as close as possible to reality. However, historical accuracy doesn't mean combat result accuracy. Having 100% historical accuracy within a system that isn't 100% accurate will create a randomly inaccurate result (which is totally unacceptable). That means you need to take a long hard look at how the system will create inaccuracies and work both with the forces, their costs, how they're selected, the way in which systems interact, etc., etc. (btw, this list never ends) and do what you can to make the overall product yeild the best result. No easy task for even simple games, and this game is particularly complex. From what I know, I actually think there are some unsolvable problems in SPWAW as well as problems that are so complex that there is no clarity on wether or not certain solutions will EVER be found. We all want a historically accurate experience, but don't knock the faithful until you've walked in their footsteps some.

As far as the social dynamic of this place.... I don't know about behavior on this forum lately, cause I'm so totally AWOL with work and all... but I remember this place to be the best forum in the universe. If this is no longer true, then I feel sorry for those who didn't get the chance to participate when it was totally sweet.

Tomo

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ORIGINAL: Tombstone

Whoah Sven. Tell us how you really feel... heh. That's too bad that you put so much hard work into a thing only to end up alienated. That's a bummer, but it happens. I'm working on the Spider-Man 2 movie game for the consoles and I'm often very frustrated, and I'm mostly in charge! (Mostly is the operative word there.) The guys who are running the operation have to do what they think is right, and they don't always manage the feelings of the people involved in a way that is satisfactory to all the parties involved. If you think they're goind in the wrong direction then we need to see it as a bump in the road that can be corrected in the future.

Tomo

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ORIGINAL: Major_Johnson

Guess I can put in my 2 cents. I for one don't have problem with "heavy" machine guns knocking out a half track, or maybe even a damaged tank. Lucky shots can happen. Maybe a hit on a fuel can?? Just guessing. But I've had my complaint's about the German supermen and machines in some instances in past versions. I haven't play v8 enough to form an opinion.

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