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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/18/2004 5:22:29 PM   
Reichenberg

 

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Status: offline 		One other question concerning the DD:

Is it possible to download it once (the 330meg???), pay twice the $70 and having two fully functional copies?? E.g. by having a second file with a key or an activation in it that is way smaller - and therefore everybody -even with a modem- can download it.

I ask because I only have a slow modem connection, but a friend of mine has a fast DSL-line and he is going to download it. I hope that he pays the money, downloads the "main"-file and I can pay, get an activation key for my $70 and get a copy of the main-file from him. Is something like this possible or MUST everybody who wants to have a functional downloaded version do the full download??

I am not asking for copying/pirating the game. I am asking for having the activation key -or whatever it is- in a small file (e.g. 1-4meg) and have the 330meg free to copy.

Uwe

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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/18/2004 5:24:30 PM   
Reichenberg

 

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< Message edited by Reichenberg -- 6/18/2004 4:30:02 PM >

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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/18/2004 5:34:46 PM   
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the 330meg???),


Whoa now! No one said 330 meg.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/18/2004 6:48:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pad152

Will digital download be available for 56K modem users or just DSL or better?

330 MB download = 18-20 hours at 48K +


I was not sure that this 330Meg were not confirmed - my fault. So let it be 200, 300, 400, 500..... Will we get only one big file or will the actual key file be smaller, thus making it possible for modem users to downlad it separately and get the actual "big" (enter actual meg no. here) file otherwise....to save on shipping and handling.

Uwe

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 10:13:02 AM   
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Dear Matrix developers:

Just another question about downloading Witp.

At home I have a 56 modem, (I know crap!!!!), however my laptop has wireless capability.
So, if I go to the local Hotspot, download Witp onto my laptop hard drive, drink a beer and wait in anticipation calmly, for whatever.
Then will I be able to transfer the game from my laptop to a CD, then install Witp onto my game computer using the CD, or is the download a single system, one time only deal?

Hoping for a really good answer, fingers are crossed, pinch of salt thrown over my right shoulder, etc.

Thanks for everything.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 12:20:48 PM   
Marc von Martial


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ORIGINAL: Jonny_B



Dear Matrix developers:

Just another question about downloading Witp.

At home I have a 56 modem, (I know crap!!!!), however my laptop has wireless capability.
So, if I go to the local Hotspot, download Witp onto my laptop hard drive, drink a beer and wait in anticipation calmly, for whatever.
Then will I be able to transfer the game from my laptop to a CD, then install Witp onto my game computer using the CD, or is the download a single system, one time only deal?


No, there´s no problem with the way you describe above.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 1:58:03 PM   
Reichenberg

 

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ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

No, there´s no problem with the way you describe above.

This answers my question too - at least in some ways.

Would it be considered legal to copy the CD from a friend, pay the $70 to Matrix and then install the copied game on my computer. Ok, Matrix would ?probably? not complain, but will I have, after I paid my $70, somekind of document in my hand, stating that I am a legal owner of one copy of WitP - that I made illegally

Any lawyers out there??? And will I get such a document after my payment?

Uwe

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 2:23:22 PM   
Marc von Martial


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And will I get such a document after my payment?


Yes of course, every customer gets an invoice.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 4:08:10 PM   
Pier5

 

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Status: offline 		Am I following all of this correctly? It seems:

1. I pay my $70.00 to Matrix/2x3 and I get something which I will call "Secret Decoder Ring" (SDR)
2. I can then obtain the game from direct download, my CD burned from my download, someone elses CD from a direct download, CD from Origins, or apparently any other rational means. As long as I have my SDR, I can install the game from whatever source and legally play it.
3. My SDR is apparently transferrable from one computer to another, so that I can load and play the game on my desktop, my notebook,
or even (not that anyone would) my computer at work.

All of this must be too good to be true. It doesn't seem that Matrix/2X3 could possibly protect themselves while providing this level of versatility to honest purchasers.

Specifically, I would like to: (a) Download the game from the internet (cable modem) and receive my SDR on my desktop; (b) create a CD from the download; (c) install the game on my desktop from the download and play the game using my SDR; (4) install the game on my notebook from the CD I made and play the game on my notebook using my SDR. Is this workable? Does Matrix object to this? How does it actually work?

Pier5

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 6:49:43 PM   
kaleun

 

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Status: offline 		I guess Matrix has figured out that only grognards are going to play the game, and that most grognards will gladly pay to keep Matrix going.
Also when you buy a copy of software, you are only supposed to have it on one computer at a time, but they dont really expect you to install it to your desktop in the evening, uninstall it in the am to install it to your laptop (so you can play at work) then uninstall it from your laptop, when you get home, and reinstall it in your desktop to play at home...
I guess so long as only one person at a time uses each copy (kind of like a book) then, the spirit, if not the letter, of the law is preserved.
Now I resume the anxious waiting

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/19/2004 8:44:18 PM   
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Mr. Marc Schwanebeck, Matrix Administrator:

Thank you for your quick response, I appreciate all that Matrix Games has done.
Jon A Baskin

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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/21/2004 5:19:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Whoa now! No one said 330 meg.


So how big it is? I’m going to d/l game at work, transfer the file to a CD, and then install on my home PC…if the file is bigger than 700mg it will be impossible to copy game to a CD… standard CD-RW is 700mg maximum.

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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/21/2004 5:27:04 PM   
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So how big it is? I’m going to d/l game at work, transfer the file to a CD, and then install on my home PC…if the file is bigger than 700mg it will be impossible to copy game to a CD… standard CD-RW is 700mg maximum.


It will fit on a CD, thats about all I'll say. The complete rework of sound coupled with over 100 megs worth of intro has shot my sizing out to lunch as of late.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 5:50:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Reichenberg

quote:

ORIGINAL: pad152

Will digital download be available for 56K modem users or just DSL or better?

330 MB download = 18-20 hours at 48K +


I was not sure that this 330Meg were not confirmed - my fault. So let it be 200, 300, 400, 500..... Will we get only one big file or will the actual key file be smaller, thus making it possible for modem users to downlad it separately and get the actual "big" (enter actual meg no. here) file otherwise....to save on shipping and handling.

Uwe


I used to download Linux, Oracle and DB2 packages over a 56K dialup that were all over 300MB without any real problem, other than they took all day to get done. But with "smart" download services that can reconnect on disruption where it left off, the only real problem was the wait. There is no reason old dialup connections can't download a 200-400MB set of files. They just take a while.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:02:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hopefully there will be multiple mirrors...I can see the download site getting slammed the first day and hope to get more than 4kb/s out of my connection.

100 megs of intro? I'm sure it's going to be cool, but I hope that either (a) it works like UV, where I can just remove the intro files from the folder so that I don't have to wait for them to play every time I run the game, or (b) the game provides a "quick launch" .exe a la Korsun Pocket allowing me to get into the game without the movies.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:09:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Standard rename the video directort if you want no movies at all.

Standard rename the sound directory if you want no sound at all.

Quick Launch I can't tell you, I'm not even sure there will be a *menu* like in other games since this is aimed at digital download.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:13:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoyed the intro movie that came with UV very much (except it was a bit fuzzy and most of the footage seemed to be in the Central Pacific, but it was great anyway) but after absorbing it about a dozen times I just hit the spacebar when I fired up the game and this skipped past all the intro stuff. Don't know if WitP will be the same.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:13:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Quick Launch I can't tell you, I'm not even sure there will be a *menu* like in other games since this is aimed at digital download.


That would be fine with me. I prefer having an icon in my start menu that, once selected, takes me directly to the game.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:14:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dwesolick

I enjoyed the intro movie that came with UV very much (except it was a bit fuzzy and most of the footage seemed to be in the Central Pacific, but it was great anyway) but after absorbing it about a dozen times I just hit the spacebar when I fired up the game and this skipped past all the intro stuff. Don't know if WitP will be the same.


Ack! Spacebar method takes too long and you have to navigate all the other movies (matrix logo, 2by3 logo, sheesh, who are these guys? ). Moving the video files takes you directly to the main game menu.

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RE: Pre-orders? - 6/21/2004 6:16:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Becket

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ORIGINAL: dwesolick

I enjoyed the intro movie that came with UV very much (except it was a bit fuzzy and most of the footage seemed to be in the Central Pacific, but it was great anyway) but after absorbing it about a dozen times I just hit the spacebar when I fired up the game and this skipped past all the intro stuff. Don't know if WitP will be the same.


Ack! Spacebar method takes too long and you have to navigate all the other movies (matrix logo, 2by3 logo, sheesh, who are these guys? ). Moving the video files takes you directly to the main game menu.


Patience grasshopper, patience.

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RE: Digital Download vs. Origins - 6/22/2004 12:02:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think what is being suggested is that the download, which is almost certainly a compressed executable (or maybe several) is what to burn to a CD. No telling how big the game is from this. Just that the executable will fit on a CD. Given the CD and the proper copy protection code, you could install it and play it on anything, even though the actual game might be over 1 GB.

Pier5

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