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Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 12:34:49 AM   
Synjin


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Status: offline 		Has anyone tried to use Wolfpack tactics with their subs in UV? How successful were they? Are there any boosts or penalties to their operations? I've mostly been using them on solo action, but I'd like to hear if anyone has tried to make a multi-sub TF and what their results were.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 4:45:14 AM   
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Has anyone tried to use Wolfpack tactics with their subs in UV? How successful were they? Are there any boosts or penalties to their operations? I've mostly been using them on solo action, but I'd like to hear if anyone has tried to make a multi-sub TF and what their results were.

Thanks!


Hi,

In one of the post version 2 patches, Wolfpacks became non-viable due to HEAVY penalties . I can't recall the exact formula but it's cited in one of the notes that come out with each patch.
I've heard that this is not the case with WITP.

Rob.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 11:29:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah read the same somewhere. Both USN and IJN sub doctrines were not suited for wolf pack tactics and so neither ever really used it. (To the best of my knowledge)

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 2:28:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Synjin

Has anyone tried to use Wolfpack tactics with their subs in UV? How successful were they? Are there any boosts or penalties to their operations? I've mostly been using them on solo action, but I'd like to hear if anyone has tried to make a multi-sub TF and what their results were.

Thanks!


Wolfpack doesn't work. Or maybe in other way. If you have multi sub TF or more than one sub TF, only one sub will attack. Others just keep watching the show over periscope. As far as I know this won't be changed even in WiTP.

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Yeah read the same somewhere. Both USN and IJN sub doctrines were not suited for wolf pack tactics and so neither ever really used it. (To the best of my knowledge)



Hmmm I don't know about Japanese subs, but US had used the wolfpack-similiar tactics from 1944. Or maybe my data is wrong...

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 6:53:06 PM   
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Wolfpack doesn't work. As far as I know this won't be changed even in WiTP.


The penalty for having more than one sub in the same hex was removed from WitP.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/22/2004 8:07:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The scale difference between UV and WITP probably makes the penalty not quite right for the scale - imho

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/23/2004 12:54:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried wolfpack in UV,and while it did NOT help me sink any better in a given area,it DID increase the odds of being detected,both by anti-sub ships,and by aircraft!!!..Just not worth the risk..
Maybe putting a sub in different,adjacent area hexes would work,but that would not really be "wolfpack deployment",considering the scale of each hex..

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/23/2004 1:31:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		The only viable way to use a wolfpack in UV would be to use them for a mass minelaying mission then split up into single patrols.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/23/2004 7:59:21 AM   
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The only viable way to use a wolfpack in UV would be to use them for a mass minelaying mission then split up into single patrols.


Not worth it. In shallow hexes they have an even larger chance of being spotted. My subs got slaughtered the few times I tried your idea out.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/24/2004 10:59:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, it is true that the USN subs operated in wolfpacks during the last year or so of the war, but I believe it was only on a limited basis. As far as using them in UV, I've tried it a couple of times and found that it gave no advantage over a single boat TF. In fact one time I sent 2 sub TF to patrol around Truk and one just simply disappeared from the game, never to be found again!

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/24/2004 12:10:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I only have tried it in areas not yet conquered. At the beginning of the game otherwise I'm sure you're right.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/24/2004 6:13:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree that when several sub TF (one sub each) are in the same hex, only one will attack a given enemy TF. I saw the same TF attacked by several subs in the same hex and same phase several times. But advantage given to planes to see and attack them makes this extremly costly.

I use my own wolfpack tactic against enemy convoy roads. I sent several subs, each in a TF, and will place them in adjacents hexes in two formations:
_ if the enemy convoy road is known, the subs will be in the hexes of the convoy road. So any ship hit by one of them will be more likely to be attacked by subs in the same area.
_ when I don't know where enemy ships will be sailing (that is usually the case in PBEM where players don't use the direct road choosen by the computer), the subs are placed in a line perpendicular (english word here ? I mean contrary to parallel) to the excepted convoy road. That was the German wolfpack tactic.

In both cases, when one sub attacks, the other will then chase the TF and the damaged ship, but always in different hexes. Here the German wolfpack gathers to attack the convoy at the same time.

In UV, wolfpacks is not efficient as every escort vessel will be available against any sub attacking while the main benefit of attackin in packs is that escort vessels are not able to deal with all attackers at the same time and usually are divided and deal effectivelly with none.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/26/2004 10:55:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also have had several different subs attack a convoy but only when
they are on a minelaying task force mission, On one mission I actually had 3 different subs attack 1 CV twice and another CV once in the same hex on the same turn
without a hit though. ( scares the crap out of your opponant though.)
But I will not wolfpack a sub patrol becouse they don't work.
and they are spotted too easiliy.

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RE: Wolfpack Tactics... - 6/27/2004 5:28:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did have the opportunity to try AmiralLarent's wolfpack fformation with some positive results. I used it in deep water though and changed formation after every turn.

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