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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 1:39:36 PM   
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I am quite sure it hadn´t worked: too long distances, too bad roads.
Patton was burning supplies and fuel in the West in so a large scale he got problems after some hundred miles. In the East this hundred miles would have been even harder to cover.

He was an specialist on logistics and ordering traffic. All this would have made even larger problems in Russia.

For Western - Allied leaders, he is a good one. For German leaders he was average IMHO.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 1:51:06 PM   
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Was Patton really so great?

Rommel´s 7th Pz DIVISION went from the German -French border to CHerbourg from may 19th May to June 9th. His division captured 277 Guns, 450 tanks and about 100000 prisoners.
He lost 42 tanks while doing this.

And Rommel wasn´t the general who put his division the longest way.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 3:05:28 PM   
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Cullie,

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Montgomery was the man needed in the Desert when he took command: solid, a good planner, respected by his men, and able to get more time and equipment from Churchill than anyone before. Could he have done the same thing in Russia… maybe or maybe not, but he did do it in North Africa.


Well I dont share your view as Monty being a good planner. Both for Caen and Arnhem, he seems to have badly underestimated German capabilities. For Caen, British operations turned to several mini-"Suprcharge" while Market-Garden saw Allied troops stalled without any options but frontal assault on well prepared German defenses (especially at Nijmegen). But finnally it is probably Monty main 'flaw' to be unable to use Patton like war conduct (in both operations). I always wondered how MG would have turned be US XV corps being in charge of exploitation instead of British XXX corps.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 4:22:15 PM   
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I find it odd that as Leo Kessler, Whiting will write cheap pulp fiction novels praising the Waffen SS, and then don his Charles Whiting persona, and write a book critical of General George Patton. Yes, Patton, the man the German High Command feared the most. . .

And as Leo Kessler he again writes a novel called "Kill Patton!"

Isn't that odd. . .?


No it isn't odd for reasons that have already been explained to you. To continue railing against Whiting in this manner is simply trolling.

Incidentally, in Richard Overy's 'Why the Allies Won' (pub. 1995) Patton is mentioned only in passing.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 4:37:06 PM   
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I am presenting this information to show how much Patton is truly admired by people.

General Patton's Principles: For Life and Leadership
by Porter B. Williamson






Customer Reviews


Kicked in the butt, February 1, 2004
Reviewer: theflyinghellfish from Galveston, TX USA
Gen. Patton often proudly stated that "you have to take the enemy by the nose and kick them in the butt". This book is Gen. Patton's Kick in the butt. Most readers know Gen. Patton as "Ole Blood and Guts" or as the general that slapped a soldier. These and other myths about one of America's greatest leaders are dispelled by a soldier who was there! Gen. Patton loved his men and his leadership style revolved around keeping them alive. Learn how Gen. Patton was fourty years ahead and shoulders above by reading this simple account of his philosphies in story that makes you wish you were there. --This text refers to the Unknown Binding edition


Leader? Read this!, October 14, 1999
Reviewer: Micah (see more about me) from Peoria, AZ USA
General Patton is here for the next generation of managers and CEO's. Wonderfully written in a style that made me feel I was there. I lived the experiences Mr Williamson lived with Patton, and I have learned. One of the best 'how to' mgt books available. I only wish I had found it sooner...



The Essential Guide for Leadership, February 12, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from Yorktown, VA
General George S. Patton, Jr. was one of the greatest heroes this country has ever produced. In addition, he was also one of the most misunderstood. Many thought he was hated by his men, but the truth is that his men loved him. Porter B. Williamson served with General Patton in the I Armored Corps in 1942. Although he did not follow Patton across the Atlantic, Williamson had instilled in him the principles that would follow him for the rest of his life. This book is the best collection of the leadership principles and philosophies of General George S. Patton. Minus the profanity that Patton made famous, this book uses many speeches and talks to the troops that exemplify the leadership principles that helped Patton lead his men to victory. This book is highly recommended for anyone in a position of leadership, and is must reading for anyone seeking a management position.


A Great Lesson, December 21, 1998
Reviewer: A reader from Charleston, SC
As a Naval Officer I have read this book well over ten times. It's lessons show the importance of such leadership qualities as honesty, integrity, care for your men, and the importance of being fair. An excellent book for anyone wanting leadership advice. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title



One of the best books on Leadership and on Patton ever writt, May 22, 1998
Reviewer: Ashley LeMay (leeash@supernews.com) from Covallis, Oregon
You have seen the movie, this book takes a look at man behind the myth. Written by Porter B. Williamson who served as an officer under the General only briefly but has lived by Patton's principles ever since. Williamson gives some very rare insight into the complex man and clears Patton's name in the famous South Carolina war games exercise in which the General has been wrongly accused of not following the rules by most of his other biographers.



Required Reading!, October 28, 1997
Reviewer: An Amazon.com Customer
The American Business community would do well to stop looking at college education as a qualification for leadership, and simply quiz applicants by the contents of this book!


Outstanding - to the POINT!, October 13, 1997
Reviewer: jeremy@cyberport.net from Glacier National Park, Montana
Written by the general's personal aide, Porter Williamson was there first hand. A compact paperback that I originally purchased by the dozens to give them as gifts . . . I lost my last edition in a Christmas fire a few years ago. So, if Amazon can locate this Hard-to-Find Classic, I'll probably order another dozen for my safe deposit box! (A MUST read for folks who are blunt). --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title

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This is utterly irrelevant to any discussion as to Patton's greatness (or lack of it!). These are customer reviews of a book, not an academic appreciation of Pattons military skills.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 4:48:22 PM   
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When I say everyone, I am referring to almost all the Allied leaders, many of the high ranking German officers, and a great many writers and historians.


Later, though, you quote this -

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While obviously Bradley’s opinion of Patton had soured with age, Bradley never truly appreciated Patton’s worth. In Sicily, Patton had been in command of Bradley. Patton forced Bradley to employ daring end-run tactics which eventually led to the capture of Palermo and Messina. Nevertheless, Bradley resented Patton’s “meddling” in his command. Bradley was the military adviser for the Patton movie. As Carlo d’Este pointed out, Bradley seems the hero, always advising Patton not to be foolhardy – “Those out-spoken comments will eventually catch up with you!” “George, you’re going to get yourself relieved if you don’t shut up!”


Since we already know that Montgomery had little time for Patton, yet again you contradict your own evidence since it appears that neither of his immediate superiors rated him. Isn't that a little odd....

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 4:57:12 PM   
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Much is made of Patton's 'dash across France' yet when analysed by Colonel John Osgood (a respected military theoretician) we get this gem.

From - http://pw1.netcom.com/~jrosgood/wc5.htm

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After experiencing tough German opposition such as that encountered at St. Lo, the frustrations of war in the hedgerows, and fearing the possibility of a potential stalemate similar to that of WW I, Bradley, with Eisenhower's blessings, formulated Operation COBRA which, like the unsuccessful British Operation GOODWOOD, was designed to achieve a breakout.

Operation COBRA involved a six division penetration by a concentrated Allied force across the St Lo to Periers highway. Following heavy carpet bombing along a three mile front, on July 25th three US infantry divisions punched a hole in the German lines after which three mechanized divisions exploited the breach.

This was precisely the text book course followed by VIII Corps when it turned West into Brittany while the XV Corps raced toward Argentan. However, critics now see the Brittany move as operationally flawed since the Breton ports ended up having little significance to the overall effort and the forces would have been better employed in the Eastern drive. Indeed this required the expenditure gasoline which later proved to be in short supply during Third Army's race to the Rhine.


I have added the emphasis in order to draw attention to that last, key, sentence.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 5:33:09 PM   
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http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1566563429/qid=1089699529/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl14/302-5558800-4723244 : von Charles Whiting
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From Library Journal
These insightful new titles represent a good start to a unique travel series that attempts to re-create some of the fiercest and most critical battles of World War II through photographs, maps, eyewitness quotes, and captivating narratives. Shilleto (The Fighting Fifty-Second) and Tolhurst (The Battle of the Bulge) reconstruct the scenes and mood of the crucial battles of Normandy, France, and tell the reader where to go and how to get there, providing information on museums, monuments, cemeteries, memorials, and statues. Whiting, a distinguished military writer and historian who saw combat himself, describes battles in which the resolve of the Allies was tested and a revitalized German army emerged amidst an elaborate system of defenses, eventually loosing to a superior allied force. He captures the flow of events and sentiments as he guides the tourist through selected sites on a battlefront 400 miles long and 70 miles deep. Both guides retain a historical sensitivity that one hopes will be a hallmark of the entire series; even though they are intended for tourists, they still succeed in fully conveying the ordeal of combat. Historically enlightening, touristically informative, educational, thorough, and enjoyable, these books are recommended for all libraries.DEdward K. Owusu-Ansah, Murray State Univ. Lib., KY
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Heheh

By the way, what is written above is NOT a review. It's just a publication press release.

I find it odd that as Leo Kessler, Whiting will write cheap pulp fiction novels praising the Waffen SS, and then don his Charles Whiting persona, and write a book critical of General George Patton. Yes, Patton, the man the German High Command feared the most. . .

And as Leo Kessler he again writes a novel called "Kill Patton!"

Isn't that odd. . .?


There are bunshes of good scientists, especially historicians out there who write novels under pseudonyms. I can´t see why this one should be especially bad. Because he is from the wrong side of the Atlantic and doesn´t share your point of view?


I don't mind if he doesn't share my point of view

And he can write all the books he wants.

I thought it was important to point out for other interested readers that while Whiting "as historian" criticizes Patton on the one hand, in his disguise as Kessler, he writes cheap novels where he wants to kill Patton, and where he glorifies the SS.

The so-called "serious" historian is also a cheap pulp novelist.

I think any reader on these forums who is going to buy books by Whiting should be made aware of his "several" writing lives. And what he writes.

Cheers!

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 5:44:33 PM   
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I find it odd that as Leo Kessler, Whiting will write cheap pulp fiction novels praising the Waffen SS, and then don his Charles Whiting persona, and write a book critical of General George Patton. Yes, Patton, the man the German High Command feared the most. . .

And as Leo Kessler he again writes a novel called "Kill Patton!"

Isn't that odd. . .?


No it isn't odd for reasons that have already been explained to you. To continue railing against Whiting in this manner is simply trolling.

Incidentally, in Richard Overy's 'Why the Allies Won' (pub. 1995) Patton is mentioned only in passing.


Trolling?

Many readers on these forums do not share your uncritical approach to writers.

When readers on these forums are looking for serious historians from whom to purchase books, and when many of these same readers can only purchase books through mail order, then it behooves them to be aware of exactly the type of writer Whiting his, and the types of books he writes.

To class Whiting in the same league with any "serious" historian is laughable.

I have indicated that most people who have read his books consider him to be a poor to average writer and researcher.

He is basically a pulp novelist who is also a non-fiction writer. . .

If this type of thing assails your sensibilities, and if you find yourself gnashing your teeth over reading such things, then just simply close your eyes, and it will all go away. . .

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 5:50:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kevinugly

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ORIGINAL: Von Rom

I am presenting this information to show how much Patton is truly admired by people.

General Patton's Principles: For Life and Leadership
by Porter B. Williamson






Customer Reviews


Kicked in the butt, February 1, 2004
Reviewer: theflyinghellfish from Galveston, TX USA
Gen. Patton often proudly stated that "you have to take the enemy by the nose and kick them in the butt". This book is Gen. Patton's Kick in the butt. Most readers know Gen. Patton as "Ole Blood and Guts" or as the general that slapped a soldier. These and other myths about one of America's greatest leaders are dispelled by a soldier who was there! Gen. Patton loved his men and his leadership style revolved around keeping them alive. Learn how Gen. Patton was fourty years ahead and shoulders above by reading this simple account of his philosphies in story that makes you wish you were there. --This text refers to the Unknown Binding edition


Leader? Read this!, October 14, 1999
Reviewer: Micah (see more about me) from Peoria, AZ USA
General Patton is here for the next generation of managers and CEO's. Wonderfully written in a style that made me feel I was there. I lived the experiences Mr Williamson lived with Patton, and I have learned. One of the best 'how to' mgt books available. I only wish I had found it sooner...



The Essential Guide for Leadership, February 12, 1999
Reviewer: A reader from Yorktown, VA
General George S. Patton, Jr. was one of the greatest heroes this country has ever produced. In addition, he was also one of the most misunderstood. Many thought he was hated by his men, but the truth is that his men loved him. Porter B. Williamson served with General Patton in the I Armored Corps in 1942. Although he did not follow Patton across the Atlantic, Williamson had instilled in him the principles that would follow him for the rest of his life. This book is the best collection of the leadership principles and philosophies of General George S. Patton. Minus the profanity that Patton made famous, this book uses many speeches and talks to the troops that exemplify the leadership principles that helped Patton lead his men to victory. This book is highly recommended for anyone in a position of leadership, and is must reading for anyone seeking a management position.


A Great Lesson, December 21, 1998
Reviewer: A reader from Charleston, SC
As a Naval Officer I have read this book well over ten times. It's lessons show the importance of such leadership qualities as honesty, integrity, care for your men, and the importance of being fair. An excellent book for anyone wanting leadership advice. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title



One of the best books on Leadership and on Patton ever writt, May 22, 1998
Reviewer: Ashley LeMay (leeash@supernews.com) from Covallis, Oregon
You have seen the movie, this book takes a look at man behind the myth. Written by Porter B. Williamson who served as an officer under the General only briefly but has lived by Patton's principles ever since. Williamson gives some very rare insight into the complex man and clears Patton's name in the famous South Carolina war games exercise in which the General has been wrongly accused of not following the rules by most of his other biographers.



Required Reading!, October 28, 1997
Reviewer: An Amazon.com Customer
The American Business community would do well to stop looking at college education as a qualification for leadership, and simply quiz applicants by the contents of this book!


Outstanding - to the POINT!, October 13, 1997
Reviewer: jeremy@cyberport.net from Glacier National Park, Montana
Written by the general's personal aide, Porter Williamson was there first hand. A compact paperback that I originally purchased by the dozens to give them as gifts . . . I lost my last edition in a Christmas fire a few years ago. So, if Amazon can locate this Hard-to-Find Classic, I'll probably order another dozen for my safe deposit box! (A MUST read for folks who are blunt). --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title

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This is utterly irrelevant to any discussion as to Patton's greatness (or lack of it!). These are customer reviews of a book, not an academic appreciation of Pattons military skills.


Look up. . .

Look waaaayyyy up. . .

And you will see the title of this thread.

It says: "Why Was Patton So Great?"

A handful of people here have tried their darnest to tear Patton down.

I have shown that most people consider Patton to have been a GREAT man, and that his leadership style and principles are still studied today.

Do you understand that now?

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 5:54:50 PM   
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When I say everyone, I am referring to almost all the Allied leaders, many of the high ranking German officers, and a great many writers and historians.


Later, though, you quote this -

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While obviously Bradley’s opinion of Patton had soured with age, Bradley never truly appreciated Patton’s worth. In Sicily, Patton had been in command of Bradley. Patton forced Bradley to employ daring end-run tactics which eventually led to the capture of Palermo and Messina. Nevertheless, Bradley resented Patton’s “meddling” in his command. Bradley was the military adviser for the Patton movie. As Carlo d’Este pointed out, Bradley seems the hero, always advising Patton not to be foolhardy – “Those out-spoken comments will eventually catch up with you!” “George, you’re going to get yourself relieved if you don’t shut up!”


Since we already know that Montgomery had little time for Patton, yet again you contradict your own evidence since it appears that neither of his immediate superiors rated him. Isn't that a little odd....


Tsk, tsk, tsk. . .

You read a few passages and you think you have understood both my position and the relationship between Bradley and Patton?

Bradley, while he disliked Patton's way of acting, and didn't care for his personality, heaped praises on him for his military skill.

Even though Bradley came to dispise Patton, he couldn't fault him on his brilliant military skill.

Of Patton's drive in the Battle of the Bulge, Omar N. Bradley stated it was "one of the most astonishing feats of generalship of our campaign in the west", Patton turned his forces quickly northward against the southern flank of the bulge and helped contain the enemy.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 5:59:06 PM   
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I am quite sure it hadn´t worked: too long distances, too bad roads.
Patton was burning supplies and fuel in the West in so a large scale he got problems after some hundred miles. In the East this hundred miles would have been even harder to cover.

He was an specialist on logistics and ordering traffic. All this would have made even larger problems in Russia.

For Western - Allied leaders, he is a good one. For German leaders he was average IMHO.


Heheh

And how far do you think German tanks were penetrating into Russia in 1941?

Patton's main problem was that before he reached Metz, his supplies WERE CUT OFF.

The bulk of those supplies went to Monty for Market Garden.

Here is what German officers thought of Patton:

German Officers Praise General Patton:

Here are some comments about Patton by high ranking German Officers:

The Germans respected Patton’s strategy and admired its genius, calling him the Allies' "most modern" commander.

1) German Major General Schimpf of the 3rd Paratroop Division called Patton’s campaign in the Palatinate "phenomenal."

2) Rommel wrote that, "We had to wait until the Patton Army in France to see the most astonishing achievements in mobile warfare."

3) von Rundstedt simply called Patton our "best."

4) General Fritz Bayerlain, the able commander of the Panzer Lehr Division and a veteran of North Africa, assesses the escape of Rommel's Panzer Armee Afrika after Alamein: "I do not think General Patton would have let us get away so easily (as Monty had)" (D'Este, p.815).

5) HASSO VON MANTEUFFEL (1897 - 1978) - von Manteuffel became the Commander-in-Chief of 5th Panzer Army and received the rank of General of the Panzer Troops. In December of 1944, Hasso Von Manteuffel was the commander of 5th Panzer Army, which was ordered to drive across the Meuse to Brussels and Antwerp, protecting the flank of 6th Panzer Army. During the Battle of the Bulge, 5th Panzer Army won tremendous victories and almost succeeded in breaking the Allied lines of defence. On December 16, 1970 Manteuffel praised his old adversary, Gen. George S. Patton. In part: "...General Patton was a master of lightning warfare and the best commander in this reference. Evidence of his excellent command and control of an army are the campaign in Sicily, the break-out in Brittany 1944 and during the Battle of the Bulge Dec. 1944..."


Eisenhower Praises Patton:

1) In his book Crusade in Europe, Eisenhower praises Patton’s mobility in Sicily: "Speed requires training, fitness, confidence, morale, suitable transport, and skillful leadership. Patton employed these tactics relentlessly, and thus not only minimized casualties but shook the whole Italian Government so forcibly that Mussolini toppled from his position in late July."

2) Also in a letter to Marshall, Eisenhower praised Patton’s "native shrewdness about logistics…and as a truly aggressive commander with brains."

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:02:06 PM   
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Look up. . .

Look waaaayyyy up. . .

And you will see the title of this thread.

It says: "Why Was Patton So Great?"

A handful of people here have tried their darnest to tear Patton down.

I have shown that most people consider Patton to have been a GREAT man, and that his leadership style and principles are still studied today.

Do you understand that now?



I understand what you are trying to do. But you are failing. Badly. You just don't know it yet

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:03:52 PM   
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When I say everyone, I am referring to almost all the Allied leaders, many of the high ranking German officers, and a great many writers and historians.


Later, though, you quote this -

quote:

While obviously Bradley’s opinion of Patton had soured with age, Bradley never truly appreciated Patton’s worth. In Sicily, Patton had been in command of Bradley. Patton forced Bradley to employ daring end-run tactics which eventually led to the capture of Palermo and Messina. Nevertheless, Bradley resented Patton’s “meddling” in his command. Bradley was the military adviser for the Patton movie. As Carlo d’Este pointed out, Bradley seems the hero, always advising Patton not to be foolhardy – “Those out-spoken comments will eventually catch up with you!” “George, you’re going to get yourself relieved if you don’t shut up!”


Since we already know that Montgomery had little time for Patton, yet again you contradict your own evidence since it appears that neither of his immediate superiors rated him. Isn't that a little odd....


Tsk, tsk, tsk. . .

You read a few passages and you think you have understood both my position and the relationship between Bradley and Patton?

Bradley, while he disliked Patton's way of acting, and didn't care for his personality, heaped praises on him for his military skill.

Even though Bradley came to dispise Patton, he couldn't fault him on his brilliant military skill.



Where does Bradley say that?

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:05:41 PM   
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Heheh

And how far do you think German tanks were penetrating into Russia in 1941?

Patton's main problem was that before he reached Metz, his supplies WERE CUT OFF.

The bulk of those supplies went to Monty for Market Garden.


Patton burnt up his fuel supplies disobeying orders and heading into Brittany as I have already revealed above.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:12:26 PM   
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I find it odd that as Leo Kessler, Whiting will write cheap pulp fiction novels praising the Waffen SS, and then don his Charles Whiting persona, and write a book critical of General George Patton. Yes, Patton, the man the German High Command feared the most. . .

And as Leo Kessler he again writes a novel called "Kill Patton!"

Isn't that odd. . .?


No it isn't odd for reasons that have already been explained to you. To continue railing against Whiting in this manner is simply trolling.

Incidentally, in Richard Overy's 'Why the Allies Won' (pub. 1995) Patton is mentioned only in passing.


Trolling?

Many readers on these forums do not share your uncritical approach to writers.

When readers on these forums are looking for serious historians from whom to purchase books, and when many of these same readers can only purchase books through mail order, then it behooves them to be aware of exactly the type of writer Whiting his, and the types of books he writes.

To class Whiting in the same league with any "serious" historian is laughable.

I have indicated that most people who have read his books consider him to be a poor to average writer and researcher.

He is basically a pulp novelist who is also a non-fiction writer. . .

If this type of thing assails your sensibilities, and if you find yourself gnashing your teeth over reading such things, then just simply close your eyes, and it will all go away. . .



'Many Readers' - there you go again making general statements for which there is little basis in fact. Your analytical capabilities leave much to be desired Von Rom. 'A pulp novelist who is also a non-fiction writer... ' You truly are one of the most pathetic trolls I have ever come across on these forums. You are continually proved wrong yet continue to post poppycock and hope that I'll 'simply close my eyes, and it will all go away ..'. In your dreams buster

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:17:28 PM   
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Look up. . .

Look waaaayyyy up. . .

And you will see the title of this thread.

It says: "Why Was Patton So Great?"

A handful of people here have tried their darnest to tear Patton down.

I have shown that most people consider Patton to have been a GREAT man, and that his leadership style and principles are still studied today.

Do you understand that now?



I understand what you are trying to do. But you are failing. Badly. You just don't know it yet



Oh, Ok. . . .

If you say so. . .

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:18:27 PM   
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When I say everyone, I am referring to almost all the Allied leaders, many of the high ranking German officers, and a great many writers and historians.


Later, though, you quote this -

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While obviously Bradley’s opinion of Patton had soured with age, Bradley never truly appreciated Patton’s worth. In Sicily, Patton had been in command of Bradley. Patton forced Bradley to employ daring end-run tactics which eventually led to the capture of Palermo and Messina. Nevertheless, Bradley resented Patton’s “meddling” in his command. Bradley was the military adviser for the Patton movie. As Carlo d’Este pointed out, Bradley seems the hero, always advising Patton not to be foolhardy – “Those out-spoken comments will eventually catch up with you!” “George, you’re going to get yourself relieved if you don’t shut up!”


Since we already know that Montgomery had little time for Patton, yet again you contradict your own evidence since it appears that neither of his immediate superiors rated him. Isn't that a little odd....


Tsk, tsk, tsk. . .

You read a few passages and you think you have understood both my position and the relationship between Bradley and Patton?

Bradley, while he disliked Patton's way of acting, and didn't care for his personality, heaped praises on him for his military skill.

Even though Bradley came to dispise Patton, he couldn't fault him on his brilliant military skill.



Where does Bradley say that?


Do I have to find everything for you?

Do some reading. . .

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:20:22 PM   
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Heheh

And how far do you think German tanks were penetrating into Russia in 1941?

Patton's main problem was that before he reached Metz, his supplies WERE CUT OFF.

The bulk of those supplies went to Monty for Market Garden.


Patton burnt up his fuel supplies disobeying orders and heading into Brittany as I have already revealed above.


Heheh

You really need to read up on Patton's activities in Normandy.

Although I can understand your lack of knowlege on these matters if all you are reading is Whiting's books.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:22:16 PM   
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I find it odd that as Leo Kessler, Whiting will write cheap pulp fiction novels praising the Waffen SS, and then don his Charles Whiting persona, and write a book critical of General George Patton. Yes, Patton, the man the German High Command feared the most. . .

And as Leo Kessler he again writes a novel called "Kill Patton!"

Isn't that odd. . .?


No it isn't odd for reasons that have already been explained to you. To continue railing against Whiting in this manner is simply trolling.

Incidentally, in Richard Overy's 'Why the Allies Won' (pub. 1995) Patton is mentioned only in passing.


Trolling?

Many readers on these forums do not share your uncritical approach to writers.

When readers on these forums are looking for serious historians from whom to purchase books, and when many of these same readers can only purchase books through mail order, then it behooves them to be aware of exactly the type of writer Whiting his, and the types of books he writes.

To class Whiting in the same league with any "serious" historian is laughable.

I have indicated that most people who have read his books consider him to be a poor to average writer and researcher.

He is basically a pulp novelist who is also a non-fiction writer. . .

If this type of thing assails your sensibilities, and if you find yourself gnashing your teeth over reading such things, then just simply close your eyes, and it will all go away. . .



'Many Readers' - there you go again making general statements for which there is little basis in fact. Your analytical capabilities leave much to be desired Von Rom. 'A pulp novelist who is also a non-fiction writer... ' You truly are one of the most pathetic trolls I have ever come across on these forums. You are continually proved wrong yet continue to post poppycock and hope that I'll 'simply close my eyes, and it will all go away ..'. In your dreams buster


Heheh

I'm the troll. . .?

Yet you jump into this dicussion with having NOTHING to add to it except to say you don't agree. . .

Heheh

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 6:36:47 PM   
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Logistics and Patton’s Third Army Lessons for Today’s Logisticians

by Maj Jeffrey W. Decker



Preface

When conducting serious study of any operational campaign during World War II, the military student quickly realizes the central role logistics played in the overall war effort. Studying the operations of General George S. Patton and his Third United States Army during 1944-45 provides all members of the profession of arms—especially the joint logistician—valuable lessons in the art and science of logistics during hostilities. Future conflicts will not provide a two or three year "trial and error" logistics learning curve; rather, the existing sustainment infrastructure and its accompanying logisticians are what America’s armed forces will depend on when the fighting begins.

My sincere thanks to Dr. Richard R. Muller for his guiding assistance completing this project. I also want to thank the United States Army Center of Military History for providing copies of the United States Army in World War II official histories and Lt Col (S) Clete Knaub for his editing advice and counsel. Finally, thanks go to my wife Misty for her support writing this paper; her grandfather, Mark Novick for his wisdom and guidance during the preparation of this project; and to his brother David, a veteran of the Third United States Army. I dedicate this project to him.


Abstract

George S. Patton and his Third Army waged a significant combined arms campaign on the Western Front during 1944-45. Both his military leadership and logistics acumen proved decisive against enemy forces from North Africa to the Rhine River. This paper illustrates Patton’s logistical experience before assuming command of the Third Army in 1944, examines how logistics successfully contributed to Third Army’s 1944-45 campaigns, and suggests appropriate lessons for today’s joint logistician. The research findings summarize Patton’s career and his exposure to the importance logistics plays in modern war. Next is an analysis exploring how logistics influenced Patton’s campaigns in North Africa, Sicily, France, and Germany; including examples of Patton’s troops continually adapting logistically during these campaigns. The discussion concludes with suggested lessons learned for today’s joint logistician.

Though almost sixty years have elapsed since Patton’s Third Army raced across the French countryside and into Germany, this incredible feat of combined arms still offers fresh insights for today’s warriors, and especially for the joint logistician. Patton may have been "hell on wheels," but his Third Army’s accomplishments depended upon the agile combat support provided by his quartermasters and other logisticians scattered throughout the European Theater of Operations. This essay discusses Patton’s previous logistical experience before assuming command of the Third Army in 1944, examines how logistics successfully contributed to Third Army’s 1944-45 campaigns, and suggests appropriate lessons for today’s joint logistician.


Mexico and World War I

After graduating from West Point in 1909, Patton began his army career with K Troop, 15th Cavalry Regiment at Fort Sheridan, Illinois. Patton eagerly jumped into his new assignment, and also spent a great deal of time studying Clausewitz and other military texts establishing a pattern that continued throughout his life. His professional studies during his early career focused on the operational level of war—"the movement, support, and sequential employment of large military formations in military campaigns."1 After passing the promotion exam to First Lieutenant in early 1916, Patton’s reassignment to the 8th Cavalry at Fort Bliss, Texas moved him closer to the simmering American-Mexican border. After Pancho Villa’s raid on Columbus, New Mexico, Brigadier General John J. Pershing assembled a retaliatory force to find Villa. When Patton discovered his unit would not be part of the expedition, he asked to be assigned as an aide to Pershing. Leaving Fort Bliss together on 13 March 1916, Patton and Pershing began a close and lifelong friendship. Also, Patton would experience the first phases of the growing technological revolution on the twentieth century battlefield.

As a participant in the Mexican Punitive Expedition of 1916, Patton witnessed the beginnings of Army motorization in the combat arms and quartermaster corps. While purchasing food from local farmers, Patton discovered a Villista compound. Without hesitation, he used his three assigned automobiles and 14 accompanying personnel to attack and secure the stronghold. This motorized engagement, a first in U. S. Army history "foreshadowed Patton’s later expertise in this kind of combat."2 In addition, the use of internal combustion engine vehicles in delivering supplies would enhance an army’s ability in future conflicts. Major John F. Madden the Quartermaster General for the punitive expedition, commented:

It can be asserted with conviction as a result of observation of motor transport operating with this Expedition, that this method of forwarding supplies is eminently practicable and comparatively inexpensive under ordinary normal conditions, that it is dependable enough to be worthy of adoption for general use and it would be the policy of wisdom to continue and expand the motor units now in service, to perfect their organization and training, from now on so that when again the Army is called on for service akin to this expedition, it will have ready and at maximum effectiveness, this modern and proven aid to its efficiency.3

Though Major Madden constantly struggled with vehicles designed for civilian use, poor roads, and parts shortages, he enthusiastically supported incorporating trucks as a means of delivering supplies to forward deployed elements. Patton biographer Martin Blumenson describes Patton’s exposure to both technology and the central role of logistics during his first operational campaign: "He had become acquainted with the primitive motor vehicles used by the U. S. Army and employed them for the first time in extended operations and become aware of the importance of logistics as he studied the supply system."4 After completing the Punitive Expedition, Patton’s superior, the newly promoted Major General Pershing, left for France to assemble and train the American Expeditionary Force (AEF). Patton also accompanied his lifelong idol to the war-torn European continent.

Upon arrival in France, the AEF faced enthusiastic crowds but a logistical nightmare. Another of Pershing’s staff officers, Major George C. Marshall, observed conditions rivaling those facing "Washington’s forces at Valley Forge in the fall of 1917…seen soldiers of the First Division without shoes and with their feet wrapped in gunny-sacks, marching ten or fifteen kilometers through the ice and snow…seen so many horses of the First Division drop dead on the field from starvation."5 After assuming directorship of the Tank School at Bourg, France, Patton faced similar logistical circumstances but expertly tackled issues such as "requisitioning land, constructing buildings and tank training areas…requisitioning supplies and spare parts for a tank battalion (calculated down to a mechanic’s need for replacement nuts and bolts), and employing the machines in combat once they had been transported by rail to the appropriate sector of the front."6 Even his course of instruction "provided the skills needed to assure that his tank units would mesh with the activities of infantrymen, artillerymen, signalers, airmen, and logisticians (emphasis added)."7 After training enough troops and obtaining equipment sufficient to outfit a brigade, Patton and his tankers faced their first combat test: the September 1918 Meuse-Argonne Offensive.

Patton and his 345 tanks fought valiantly during this critical battle. After 14 days, the brigade had exhausted its tank complement and out of 834 troops, only 80 were available to fight—even Patton required hospitalization due to a wound. However, this combat test had allowed Patton to hone doctrine, while self-critiquing his leadership and logistical abilities. Upon his return after convalescence, he authored notes on "Entraining and Detraining at Night" followed by "Practical Training, Tank Platoon."8 These two papers emphasized Patton’s commitment to both logistical matters and combat preparation. His brief but intense experiences during World War I prepared him for bigger challenges, but he would have to wait over 20 years before again leading and sustaining troops on the battlefield.


"Arsenal of Democracy"

As Patton itched for a field command in late 1939, the American army under its new Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall was building a credible military force after the neglect of the 1920’s and 1930’s. Marshall’s exposure to the haphazard buildup of forces during the First World War and the difficulties presented by training and employing troops without the required logistics greatly shaped his efforts prior to America’s entry into World War II. Marshall also encountered a mindset throughout the Army in which "logistics was held in low esteem."9 This outlook would change during the Second World War as the greatest contribution made by the United States to the Allied effort would be "in weight of materiel rather than in weight of manpower."10

The "Arsenal of Democracy" eloquently described America’s materiel contributions but underestimated the challenges to delivering sustenance to forces fighting the Axis powers. First America’s dormant industrial power required a great deal of time to "ramp up" to support both Allied and American logistical requirements. During an address in 1938, General Marshall told the Army Industrial College, "No matter how many billions of dollars Congress places at our disposal on the day war is declared, they will not buy ten cents worth of materiel for delivery under twelve months, and a great deal of it requires a year and a half to manufacture."11 Secondly, tenuous sea lines of communications (LOC) across the Atlantic and then Pacific oceans plus the requirement to plan, manufacture, assemble, and deliver all manner of materiel taxed Army planners and logisticians. Marshall viewed America’s army as one of battalions spread amongst 130 posts without significant service forces. Training of large unit formations was lacking, and "…neither the Regular Army nor the National Guard had any tactical corps or field army headquarters."12 Finally, the United States would fight as a part of a worldwide coalition, providing significant quantities of war materiel to each partner. Many of the logistics decisions made at the strategic, operational and sometimes tactical level would be influenced by coalition, rather than solely U. S. considerations. Even at the first staff discussions between American and British representatives in late January 1941, "logistics provided the frame within which the first great strategic decision was made."13 Known as ABC-1 (United States Plan Rainbow-5), proposed a "Germany first" strategy if America entered the war. Even with its burgeoning materiel might, America "could not have mustered sufficient effort to deal with both major enemies simultaneously."14 For Marshall it was now time to mold and support the armies of a democracy and find men to lead them—men such as George S. Patton.


Pre-War Maneuvers and the Desert Training Center

When Germany invaded Poland in September 1939, Patton was in command of Fort Meyer, Virginia. This was a largely ceremonial and socially demanding posting and Patton yearned to get any field command as he saw war approaching. He and others observed the mechanization of the battlefield and the Wehrmacht’s superb efficiency in incorporating tanks, aircraft, and "panzer grenadiers" (mechanized infantry) into one destructive sledgehammer against enemy forces. Experienced American personnel with a similar background were few, and formations larger than a battalion were virtually nonexistent. Marshall hurriedly determined the need for an armored force and authorized a corps with two armored divisions. These "saplings" would in time lead an American Army schooled in the methods of "blitzkrieg" style of warfare, and in temporary command of the Second Armored Division was Brigadier General (S) Patton.

Patton zealously executed his duties and projected an aura of youthfulness even though he was nearly 55 years old. Leading and training a newly formed armored division mirrored budding American concepts of fighting the impending war in Europe. Marshall and other prewar planners determined that mobile formations—abundantly equipped, rapidly resupplied, and heavily supported by air and naval power—would defeat the Nazi legions. U.S. Army planners devised a logistical strategy in which "the emphasis upon weight and quantity of materiel, sometimes at the expense of qualitative superiority over the enemy radiated through every aspect of the Army’s logistics. It was reflected above all, perhaps, in a supply system that accepted and greatly extended the modern mass army’s dependence on continuous resupply."15 With this basic guidance, Patton and others began the task of building up America’s armored forces, but faced immediate logistical hurdles due to the expanding war in Europe.

As in past wars, initial American manpower requirements were met first and the follow-on materiel needs languished or were redirected toward more pressing emergencies. The newly created armored divisions quickly filled out with new draftees (compliments of the September 1940 Selective Service Act) but with an "authorization of 6,486 vehicles to attain full combat strength, the Armored Force inherited less than 1,000."16 Even after ten months of extensive training and expanded production, War Plans Division Chief, Brigadier General Leonard T. Gerow reported to General Marshall "the First Division (reinforced) is the only division we have which even approximates readiness for combat service involving a landing on a hostile shore."17 Combined with a robust naval shipbuilding program, American factories were producing vast quantities of aircraft, mortars, certain types of antiaircraft artillery and machine guns, rifles, field artillery ammunition, light tanks, and trucks. Unfortunately, Army brass saw much of this new materiel allocated to Great Britain and the Soviet Union. Patton and other division commanders addressed these discrepancies with typical Yankee ingenuity. Using trucks as tanks, pine logs as machine guns, or flour sacks as air delivered munitions, the rapidly growing American army pressed ahead with the US Army GHQ maneuvers for 1941.

The 1941 maneuvers provided Patton and his Second Armored Division an opportunity to showcase the capabilities of mechanized warfare and hone the "nuts and bolts" of logistics and movement. Fortuitously, Patton’s division was assigned to the Third Army and his troopers ran roughshod through the opposing forces. During the smaller scale Tennessee games held in June, "Patton’s forces knifed through the defenders with such speed that the umpires stopped the action after nine hours instead of the allocated two days."18 Patton also pointed out to Secretary of War Stimson that his division covered "in some cases over 110 miles, every fighting vehicle in the division, except two tanks and a scout car, got to the place it was supposed to be in time to deliver the attack."19

The Louisiana maneuvers in which over 350,000 men participated, were the largest peacetime exercise in the history of the US Army. Beginning on 15 September 1941, the exercises progressed on a two-phase agenda. Evaluating mobility in the attack and the defensive capability of smaller forces, Patton’s Second Armored met overwhelming infantry and antitank opposition during the first phase and was essentially destroyed. During Phase II his forces executed a "wide hooking movement that covered some 200 miles in 48 hours…despite the fact they were overextended logistically…"20 Operating from a 300-mile supply line, Patton kept his mechanized forces fueled by purchasing gasoline from commercial dealers and service stations. Besides testing further the impact of mechanization and defensive doctrine, the Louisiana maneuvers provided invaluable logistics instruction as well. Patton procuring gas on the march exposed the criticality of a flexible and responsive Communications Zones (COMZ). General Marshall also recognized the importance of COMZs, demanding each army reposition its COMZ between the first and second phases of the maneuvers. He recalled in later years:

Eisenhower for example, was chief of staff of General Krueger’s [Third] Army in the South. All of them learned a great deal…I directed that they change their bases on each side. They told me it would take a month for something like that and be very, very expensive. Well, I said, they would have to do it anyway. They would have to do it in Europe, and they would have to do it here…I remember in one case it took ten days, and cost 40,000 dollars…but it was a very economical sum when it came to the efficiency it developed in the troops. That is the reason that Patton and Hodges and Bradley were able to move as rapidly as they did across the face of Europe.21

The mock combatants concluded their activities in Louisiana and prepared for a final large unit training opportunity in the Carolinas.

The Carolina games commenced on 16 November 1941 and evaluated a battle between an infantry heavy force numbering 195,000 (General Hugh Drum’s First Army) against a smaller mechanized heavy force numbering 100,000 (Major General Oscar W. Griswold’s IV Corps). Assigned to the smaller force, Patton’s Second Armored Division attempted to repeat the stunning successes of the previous wargames. Facing numerical superiority, the IV Corps was unable to exploit its inherent mobile advantage. A shortage of infantry within armored formations was evident as well. During both phases, the armored units were used more as roving "fire brigades" to stem opposing force attacks than in their intended roles. Also evident was the inability of quartermaster units to properly fuel vehicles on the march. Prior to game commencement, the Assistant I Armored Corps G-4 summed up the problem to Patton: "General, in the I Armored Corps, we do not have trucks, tank trucks, cans nor men to move a hundred gallons of gas."22 In order to remedy the situation, the assistant G-4 locally contracted railroad tank cars and used gravity to refuel the tanks. Similar to a Confederate cavalry raid, Patton’s armored forces continued to press attacks behind enemy lines though he had to be reminded again of the precarious balance between combat power and sustainment. The 1941 maneuvers showcased Patton’s effective use and movement of mechanized forces; exposure to large-scale logistical requirements during these games combined with his previous experiences from the First World War prepared him for his next assignment, commander of the I Armored Corps and the Desert Training Center.

Immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Patton again faced the daunting task of training, leading, and sustaining combat forces in the field. Equipping an 8 million-man force, the US Army would continue facing materiel and personnel shortages during the first months of the war. Patton’s selection as the I Armored Corps commander at Fort Benning, Georgia in late December 1941, he, and his staff, faced the basic shortages still afflicting a rapidly expanding American Army. Then First Lieutenant Porter B. Williamson (the previously mentioned assistant G-4 from Carolina) described his issued gear; "I rolled my bedding roll and strapped on my empty pistol holster. This was my full pack! No rifle, no ammunition, no canteen, almost nothing required to have a full military pack for a soldier."23 Service troops were in short supply as well. At the beginning of World War II:

Only 11 percent of the Army consisted of service troops, compared to 34 percent at the end of World War I. The unrealistically low ratio of service troops to combat troops made itself felt at once…few trained service troops were available for overseas duty; and service troops, beyond all others, were required in the early phases of the war. It was imperative that they prepare depots, receive equipment and supplies, and establish the essential services for combat troops.24

Tables of Organization and Equipment had to be "fleshed out" according to priorities set at the highest levels of the Army and U. S. government. Munitions were centrally controlled and a combined Anglo-American Board oversaw distribution. Other classes of supply operated via decentralized procedures and within a wholesale logistical operation, "to free the flow of supply from the erratic pace of day-to-day demand, in order to gain flexibility in the use of transport, storage, and handling facilities."25 These initial efforts severely affected the training and establishment of air and ground forces early in the war. The Army Inspector General reported in July 1942, "that lack of spare parts was accounting for from two thirds to three fourths of the disabilities among vehicles in the United States."26 Even with these logistical difficulties, Patton’s I Armored Corps arrived within 60 days at the Desert Training Center and in March 1942, training of the first forces to meet the Wehrmacht began.

Encompassing an area approximately the size of Pennsylvania, the Desert Training Center was a post established with a minimum of higher headquarters logistical support. Establishing bivouac, range, and other associated training areas taxed the existing staff officers to the limit. Newly arrived troops detrained improperly uniformed, and encountered shortages in equipment, tools, and supplies. Personal hygiene relied on G. I. issue steel helmets for washing hands, shaving, and bathing until at Patton’s direction Army quartermasters contracted with a San Bernadino Sears and Roebuck store to supply enough washbasins for the expanding number of troops. Mindful of troop morale in the hot and dusty climate, Patton ensured running water, latrines, and showers outfitted the post within 30 days. Testing valuable lessons learned from the 1941 maneuvers, combat commands replaced brigades and division trains used to provide logistics and personnel were introduced as well. Establishing COMZs complete with airfields, railheads, and a road network afforded quartermaster units combined training with their ground force counterparts. Newly assigned ground and service staff officers too had the opportunities to train with their opposite number in both the employment and sustainment of large units. Patton’s efforts at the Desert Training Center would not only prepare forces for the upcoming North Africa invasion, but also ensured that an additional 20 divisions received large-scale unit training until the Spring of 1944.


Operation TORCH

On 8 November 1942, the first ever Anglo-American amphibious invasion landed three separate task forces and quickly seized key parts of French North Africa. Once ashore, troops linked up with the westward advancing British Eighth Army, ultimately forcing the Afrika Korps off the continent. Five months of hard fighting against Rommel’s desert veterans awaited inexperienced American troops. Quartermasters too encountered difficult conditions but garnered valuable logistics "seasoning" applicable to future operations; especially Operation OVERLORD, the invasion of Normandy.

From the beginning, TORCH faced logistical hurdles, including inexperienced Combat Service Support (CSS) troops and ill-trained staff officers. An operation of this scope and size had never been attempted, with American planners facing competing demands for shipping and equipment. Convoy size was limited due to escort availability and thereby decreased the number of vehicles available for operations once ashore. Forces were also staged from the United States and Great Britain, complicating an already complex coordination cycle. Merchant ships were loaded based on expediency or peacetime practices, ignoring the immediate requirements of combat forces. Poor supply marking and record keeping resulted in duplicate orders of Class II and IV supplies. CSS troops exercised sloppy blackout, concealment, camouflage, and dispersal and truck convoy procedures, which added, further losses to an already diminished truck fleet. American infantrymen used to riding into battle "soon realized that a truck or vehicle in North Africa was worth ten times its value in the United States, and must not be abandoned until there was no hope of recovery."27 After the poor employment of American combat arms at Kasserine Pass and continuing logistical deficiencies, TORCH commander Lieutenant General Dwight D. Eisenhower, replaced the corps commander Major General Lloyd R. Fredendall with Patton. The latter’s "buoyant leadership and strict insistence upon discipline rapidly rejuvenated the II Corps and brought it up to a fighting pitch"28—just in time for the pivotal battle at Al-Guettar.

The Patton trademark of infusing a fighting spirit into all his soldiers including the CSS elements proved instrumental during Al-Guettar. Patton biographer Blumenson captures both his attention to fighting and commitment to logistics: "He [Patton] had to be ruthless, for he had only eleven days to shake his troops out of slovenly habits and into a state of alertness. At the same time he expedited the arrival of new equipment, clothing, and mail. He improved living conditions by insisting on better food and well-cooked meals."29 Observing the poor state of many of his soldier’s footwear, Patton requested the immediate requisition and delivery of 80,000 pairs of boots, with most arriving within 24 hours. Patton’s attention to both warfighting and logistical issues proved decisive at Al-Guettar, but more importantly, the battle reinforced his keen understanding of both combat and sustainment. The battle also provided American ground and service forces valuable logistics lessons as well. Innovations such as the use of mules to move supplies, establishing forward supply points, evacuating damaged vehicles in the far forward combat areas, and thinking as soldiers first then as logisticians greatly enhanced the logistics capability within Patton’s divisions and throughout his II Corps.

Haphazard at first, the North African campaign reaffirmed American reliance on the weight of materiel as opposed to manpower. The official Army Historian James A. Huston noted:

The invasion of North Africa was a graduate school in logistics when too many officers had not yet completed elementary school in that subject, but on the whole the officers learned their lessons well. More importantly, "the operation impressed upon everyone a fact they already knew…the necessity for close co-ordination between tactical and logistical planning. The invasion served as a proving ground for developing data for supply replenishment, for service troops, for troop replacements, for casualty estimates, and for amphibious assault planning and support.30

Now assigned to lead the Seventh Army, Patton and the quartermasters would apply the hard earned lessons of the North African campaign against enemy forces on the island of Sicily.


Operation HUSKY

Leading an army of over 160,000, Patton along with Field Marshal Bernard L. Montgomery’s Eighth Army began the invasion of Sicily on 10 July 1943. In many respects HUSKY was a rehearsal for OVERLORD. Improved and in-depth logistical planning prior to the invasion, better equipment, and tested logisticians accompanied the assault elements. In addition, the invasion convoys originated within theater; easing coordination, command, and control of numerous ships and assault craft prior. The invasion would "also be a landmark in the development of amphibious logistics support, both in far-shore organization and equipment."31

Lacking adequate seaports and reliance on over-the-shore resupply, Patton hoped recently developed equipment would improve logistical sustainment. The new amphibious truck known as the DUKW or "duck" received its baptism of fire and performed magnificently. In Logistical Support of the Armies, Volume I, Dr. Ruppenthal describes the crucial role DUKW’s played in Sicily and their impact on subsequent amphibious operations:

The amphibians were used for many purposes, including some not intended. They carried stores far inland to forward dumps, evacuated casualties and prisoners, and in at least one emergency were used to transfer a Ranger battalion to meet a sudden enemy counterattack…but they demonstrated their usefulness in a hundred ways and proved themselves one of the most valuable "weapons" in the Allied arsenal. From HUSKY on no landing operation was to be attempted without them.32

Additional logistics lessons learned from TORCH, included "perfecting the methods of moving supply over the assault beaches, of decreasing the soldier’s load, of weighing and balancing Quartermaster troops lists, and of using new Quartermaster packaging, crating, loading and marking techniques,"33 were incorporated into the Sicily campaign.

Improving immediate availability of POL, water, and rations during the initial landing a palletized load (unit load) was introduced during HUSKY. Unit loads were, "water and gasoline packaged in 5-gallon cans, with 56 cans on each pallet; oil, in boxes of 24 quart cans, 30 boxes per pallet; and 5-in-1 rations in boxes, 60 fiber boxes per pallet and varied in weight from two to three thousand pounds."34 Upon delivery to the assault area (usually by a DUKW), the pallet would be torn down, contents distributed for consumption, and the platform used to move nonpalletized materiel. Another item used for the first time during the Sicily campaign was the assault pack. Containing individual equipment for one soldier, these haversacks weighed fifty pounds and combined items ranging from clothing, rations, and cigarettes to toilet paper. For every 100 soldiers assaulting the beach, five assault packs were authorized. Equipment and new materiel resupply methods proved valuable, and the increasingly experienced logisticians and their staffs were proving their flexibility during combat operations.

Incorporating another lesson learned from the Tunisian campaign, a third echelon (supply) was established. Located not far from the forward battle areas, the G-4 commanded the assigned six sections. These logisticians were better able to monitor, forecast, and adapt logistics support as necessary. Ordnance, maintenance and medical evacuation improved when the corps G-4 staffs assumed these responsibilities from the army level G-4. However, by D+ 13 and with stiffening enemy resistance, the divisions and corps troops had outrun their supply lines. To deal with this problem corps and army level G-3 and G-4 staffs quickly met and cobbled together a temporary solution to maintain the flow of fuel, ammunition, and other supplies. From this the forerunner of the famed "Red Ball" express debuted during the Sicily campaign. Merging both corps and army level transportation units and executing round trips covering up to 200 miles, the logisticians were able to resupply forward ammunition, fuel, and supply transfer points and keep the Seventh Army on the march. With adequate logistical support, Patton continued advancing against collapsing German resistance and liberated the final stronghold of Messina just ahead of Montgomery’s Eighth Army.

Both the Tunisian and Sicily campaigns highlighted Patton’s skill at rapidly moving his forces and logistics to sustain them in order to engage and defeat the enemy. In his book Crusade in Europe, Eisenhower praises Patton’s mobility: "Speed requires training, fitness, confidence, morale, suitable transport, and skillful leadership. Patton employed these tactics relentlessly, and thus not only minimized casualties but shook the whole Italian Government so forcibly that Mussolini toppled from his position in late July."35 Also in a letter to Marshall, Eisenhower praised Patton’s "native shrewdness about logistics…and as a truly aggressive commander with brains."36 Patton’s combat and logistics units plus his staff elements constantly improved their abilities to fight and sustain their formations in the tactical environment. Now with the invasion of Europe quickly approaching, the logistics lessons learned from the Tunisian and Sicilian operations would be put to good use—as well as Patton and his Third Army.


Third Army Prepares for France

On 22 Jan 1944, Patton received word of his selection to lead the Third Army. Planned as an exploiting element once the initial lodgment had been established ashore in Normandy, the Third Army barely existed as a fighting force. With many of the divisions untried and staff echelons inexperienced, Patton again had to start from scratch and mold his army into a "hell on wheels" outfit. Luckily, he was able to keep his principal Seventh Army staff officers including his G-4, Walter J. Muller, who "functioned with such efficiency that Patton rarely inquired into his methods."37 With operations in France expected to last considerably longer than Patton’s two previous campaigns (Tunisia and Sicily at 30 and 38 days respectively), the Third Army had to quickly plan and prepare for logistics support on a much larger scale.

In mid-March, Patton greeted the remainder of his staff officers at Peover Hall near Knutsford, England to outline his plans for bringing Third Army up to fighting shape in the few remaining months before its commitment to combat. Finding suitable maneuver areas and planning training regimens were at the top of the list, but the whole gamut of logistics occupied the staff as well. Preliminary efforts focused on identifying new equipment requirements and requisitioning authorized TO&E. American divisions arriving in the United Kingdom possessed their personal kit and a few limited equipment items, but required "marrying up" with previously shipped gear. This ensured units received the latest in field equipment. Additionally, the Signal Section identified required radio nets, mapped circuits and obtained applicable supplies. The Engineers busily conducted "analyses of bridge requirements, road studies, traffic circulation plans, computation of supply requirements, and survey and mapping plans."38 Patton even read The Norman Conquest by Edward A. Freeman, "paying particular attention to the roads William the Conqueror used in his operations in Normandy and Brittany."39 In addition, the need to address the ongoing Quartermaster Troop shortage to support operations haunted initial planning. According to Colonel Everett Busch, Third Army Quartermaster General, "this question was the most difficult in many respects of any encountered during the preliminary phase."40 It also underscored the strategic and operational concerns logistics was playing in Europe’s liberation and indirectly the combat ability of Third Army. Nowhere was this more evident than Patton’s role in Operation BODYGUARD

Besides leading the Third Army, Patton also "commanded" the fictitious First U. S. Army Group (FUSAG). As part of the FORTITUDE SOUTH component of BODYGUARD, Patton and FUSAG were created to deceive German intelligence into believing the Pas de Calais would be the actual landing areas for D-Day. The German High Command (OKW) determined Patton would lead the invasion force and his billeting in Southeastern England plus the combination of real and fake units added to the deception. Adding to the plausibility were both Allied and German strategic and operations logistics concerns:

What made the story particularly believable to OKW was the terrain associated with the Pas de Calais. It was the closest to England, providing the shortest invasion route. It provided the most direct route to the Ruhr, the industrial heart of Germany and the anticipated objective of any invasion. The area boasted an excellent road and rail network to the interior and finally the port of Le Havre, France, would provide the Allies with a superb facility to sustain any drive on the continent.41

Patton and FUSAG kept up "appearances" even after the invasion. Deception operations continued until the first week in August, but with Patton’s quiet deployment to France on 4 July, BODYGUARD continued to diminish in effectiveness. Trading his comfortable English manor for a canvas tent in a Norman orchard, Patton prepared to activate his headquarters known as "Lucky Forward." En route, or already in France, were five hundred units of the Third Army awaiting orders to attack.


Race to the Siegfried Line

Officially activated on 1 August 1944 (but not publicly acknowledged until 15 August), Third Army spent the preceding two months transiting from England, bivouacking within the narrow Cotentin Peninsula, and scrounging available Class I, III, and V supplies. Colonel Muller and the remainder of his small G-4 staff (nineteen officers, three warrant officers, and forty enlisted men) began the campaign "adapting and improvising" to an ever-changing logistics situation. First, almost all supplies were still arriving at Omaha and Utah beaches instead of the anticipated Cherbourg port, causing substantial problems in distribution and storage. Initial tonnages delivered approached planned figures, but due to a heavy gale (19-22 June) and damage to the MULBERRY artificial harbors, the logistics buildup schedule fell behind. Eventually only the British MULBERRY remained in operation. Secondly, Montgomery requested a faster buildup of combat forces with a proportionate delay in their accompanying service and support troops. With more "tooth" and less "tail," "some shortages occurred in supplies, but with the exception of artillery ammunition these were not serious because casualties and materiel consumption were less than anticipated."42 Thirdly, the planned COMZ organizational structure did not become operational as scheduled. The Advance Section Communications Zone (ADSEC) was present in France, but Colonel Busch was concerned that there was "no opportunity for a warming up, smoothing out period either for Third Army’s Quartermaster section or ADSEC..."43 Finally, rapid changes in the strategic and operational situation would play havoc as the Third Army roared through Avranches, Brittany and across France to the Siegfried Line.

Operation COBRA and the breakout from Normandy brought Patton and his Third Army finally into action. The rapid rate of march and overwhelming of enemy forces, immediately affected ADSEC and COMZs ability to supply Patton’s voracious appetite for fuel and other supplies. Eminent British historian John Keegan describes the initial breakout through Avranches and Patton’s logistical common sense:

Sending clusters of senior officers out to the feeder routes which led to it with orders to keep the vehicles rolling without regard for strict sequence of units; at the other end, the bunched columns were unscrambled by the simple means of marking each of the roads which fanned from it for a separated division. In this way, which defied every rule of staff college logistics, his seven divisions were got into the new theater of operations in seventy-two hours.44

Keeping pace to support Patton and Lieutenant General Courtney Hodges’ First Army, ADSEC moved forward three times in as many weeks. However, as the administrative elements moved forward, accompanying depots and supply points could not keep pace. At the end of August, "90 to 95 percent of continental supplies still lay on the beaches, 300 miles behind the army dumps."45 With enemy forces retreating towards Paris or French ports still under German control, Twelfth Army Group commander, Lieutenant General Omar Bradley changed Patton’s original battle plan to reflect a quick drive towards the Seine, and not the all-out effort mopping up resistance throughout the Brittany Peninsula. Splitting the Third Army in two, only the VIII Corps remained behind to secure Brest and St. Malo and their accompanying port facilities. This partition furthered strained resupply efforts within Third Army and the remainder of Allied Forces in France.

During August 1944, supply support for Major General Troy Middleton’s VIII Corps emphasized not only the adaptability and dedication of the quartermaster corps, but also the impending logistical difficulties Patton would face as he approached the German frontier. As a tactical headquarters, Middleton’s VIII Corps assumed many administrative and tactical responsibilities normally associated with higher echelons. William M. King of the 44th Armored Infantry Battalion, 6th Armored Division described the logistical situation during the breakout:

Supplies were secured on the basis of expediency…permanent supply dumps were out of the question because the breakthrough had never stopped. Within a couple of days [we] were passing out rations like Santa Clause on his sleigh, with both giver and receiver on the move…The trucks were like a band of stage-coaches making a run through Indian country. We got used to keeping the wheels rolling, disregarding the snipers, and hoping we wouldn’t get lost or hit.46

The quartermasters certainly could perform logistical feats of magic, but the VIII Corps attack revealed "the normal difficulty of satisfying even the minimum requirements in a period when the logistic organization is over-taxed by the pressure of pursuit operations."47 Shortages in all supply classes, especially ammunition, afflicted the VIII Corps throughout the 40-day operation. These limitations were not only due to an allocation problem, but a shortage of available transportation throughout France proved the limiting factor.

As Patton continued focusing his main energies eastward towards Germany, Third Army quartermasters struggled to keep his spearheads fueled and supplied. Just six days into battle, the Third Army daily combat diary recorded that "supply lines were lengthening rapidly and putting a strain on the truck companies."48 Dipping into emergency ration reserves began almost immediately, with corresponding "acquisition" (also known as stealing or liberating) of available fuel stocks from other units. The advance moved so rapidly, that communication wire soon was in short supply as were medical supplies. Third Army G-4 requested additional truck companies and aviation groups to increase medical evacuation and resupply efforts. In late August, over 1,000 aircraft delivered rations and fuel to Patton’s forward elements—averting a complete halt for a few more days. Captured German food, medical supplies, POL, and communications wire were also reallocated for immediate use. Eventually, German POWs contributed to the repair and refurbishment of materiel. At Depot Q-256 near Reims, France, the commanding officer Colonel Albert Barden formed "an elaborate German officer staff, which handled practically all details of POW administration, both in the prison compound and in the shops…Incidentally, one couldn’t ask for better personnel."49 Significant amounts of materiel were repaired and the workload continued increasing up until the German surrender. "At the close of 1944, the depot had processed nine million items and in March 1945 was handling 160,000 pieces per day."50 Host nation support played an important role as well. French rail lines were used but due to significant damage caused by the pre-invasion interdiction campaign and French underground sabotage efforts, supply tonnage transported was small when compared to that delivered by truck (up until October 1944). The reopening of mines, industrial shops for repair and reclamation efforts, plus the supply of limited food stuffs supported Third Army efforts; especially in the Civil Affairs arena. With the Third Army and other Allied armies rapidly approaching the German frontier, COMZ logisticians endeavored to keep all Allied Forces fed, fueled, and armed, but faced a continuing shortage of trucks and misplaced allocation priorities. COMZ’s answer to expedite supply deliveries would be the Red Ball Express.

Activated on 25 August 1944, the Red Ball Express was intended as a temporary measure to keep the American First and Third armies supplied across ever-widening LOCs originating in Normandy. The Express relied on 67 Transportation Corps truck companies, vehicles from other combat support units (for example, artillery and anti-aircraft units) and the trucks from three infantry divisions. At its peak, Red Ball operated 6,000 vehicles and moved 12,000 tons of supplies daily. A calculated tactical decision by Allied leaders, "the scale of these motorized operations was a complete surprise to the enemy and upset his calculations."51 Unfortunately, short-term battlefield advantages attributed to the Red Ball brought with them accelerated wear and tear on personnel and equipment plus poor shipment documentation and control. Driver fatigue contributed to a large number of accidents. There were also significant increases in malingering and black marketing. Required truck maintenance suffered as untrained provisional units kept the trucks rolling literally until the wheels fell off the vehicles. Tire replacement and stockage figures "rose from an average of 29,142 in preceding months to 55,059 in September, and in mid-September 40,000 of that type awaited repair."52 By mid-September, 135,000 tons of supplies were moved forward but due to haste and inattentiveness much of the materiel delivered was not what the armies had requisitioned. Poised to enter Germany, Third Army watched its supply situation steadily deteriorate even with the Red Ball Express’ Herculean efforts.

In action for just 30 days, Third Army units had dashed across France, liberated the Brittany Peninsula, seized bridgeheads east of the Meuse River and occupied "forward positions at the phase line set for 2 April 1945 (D+300)."53 With the Rhine River just over 100 miles distant, Patton now had to halt his "cavalry," and watch his supplies and fuel dry up. German units were able to reorganize within the Siegfried Line or withdrawal for refitting or reconstitution (for the Ardennes Counteroffensive). Previously accustomed to tactically oriented operations in North Africa and Sicily, Patton now had to compete for logistics with other Allied armies and within the context of General Eisenhower’s overall strategic plan. The strategic situation in early September mandated logistics support towards the upcoming MARKET-GARDEN operation in Holland—especially gasoline and cargo aircraft. Operationally, Hodges’ American First Army received the lion’s share of what limited supplies trickled in via the Red Ball Express to support an impending drive to the Rhine and Montgomery’s Holland venture. At least 14,000 tons of supplies per day were required to support both the First and Third Armies though the amount arriving barely approached 7,000 tons; with two-thirds going to Hodges’ troops. Civil affairs requirements also affected COMZ’s logistical flow to the Allied armies. German occupied territory was liberated at a much faster rate than envisioned in the original OVERLORD plan; causing reallocation of supplies and POL originally destined for front line forces. Twelfth Army Group chief of civil affairs "found that the French capital needed 2,400 tons of supplies daily and proposed that they be brought in by air."54 This further diversion of aircraft occurred at the same time as Third Army gasoline deliveries halted in late August. Unable to advance, Patton’s troops paused to regroup, conduct limited operations in the Lorraine Valley, and prepare for the eventual invasion of Germany.


The Lorraine Campaign

At the bottom of the supply priority list from September to November 1944, the Third Army could only mount infantry assaults against the Metz fortifications and other local German strong points. Continually plagued by fuel, munitions, and other supply shortages, Patton’s logisticians pulled every rabbit out of the hat to sustain the troops. Patton did authorize "three-day passes for those soldiers who could steal the most gasoline drums, full or empty—American or enemy,"55 but his forces actually relied more on strict rationing of fuel and ammunition. A gasoline rationing board consisting of one officer and three enlisted men determined a daily allotment of "five thousand gallons for the infantry divisions; twenty-five thousand gallons for the armored formations; ten thousand gallons for the corps troops, and eighty-four thousand gallons for the Army troops."56 Military policemen were kept busy "apprehending jeeps and command cars without authorized trip tickets."57 Third Army artillerymen "stressed observed fires and held unobserved fires to a minimum to conserve ammunition."58 Even liaison aircraft were used to curtail enemy fire. German artillery refrained from firing when spotter planes were airborne, thus minimizing American counter battery fire. Adapting these aircraft to a combat support role, "liaison pilots of the 80th Division artillery, dropped over 20,000 rounds of small arms ammunition to the 3rd Battalion, 318th Infantry, isolated for three days near St. Genivieve, France."59 Patton’s quartermasters also used enemy parts and equipment to assist with maintenance and equipment repair and to provide additional mobility.

Due to the static tactical situation, units were now able to forward reports of captured enemy materiel. Obtaining a warehouse in Nancy, the Third Army QM "organized a captured enemy materiel guard and inventory detail within his Field Service Section."60 Materiel inventories were circulated to all QM sections, technical services, and staff directors. A veritable treasure trove for ordnance and maintenance personnel, items such as "14,000 German spark plugs were modified to refurbish Sherman tank engines and many German motorcycles were rebuilt with captured spare parts and reissued to U.S. troops."61 The unexpected respite also provided time to prepare for winter campaigning and the impending invasion of Germany.

Preparing for the expected cold and rainy European winter, Colonel Muller initiated winter clothing requisitions and pre-staging of Bailey bridging sets to prepare for the eventual crossings of German rivers. Always concerned about the welfare of his troops, Patton raised his ire when he learned rubber overshoes were issued on a one pair for four men basis—"complaining bitterly until a more reasonable issue was established."62 He also wanted plenty of bridging available to quickly get his troops across the icy and rain swollen rivers. Bailey bridges built during the pell-mell dash across France were disassembled and restaged forward in camouflaged positions, ready for immediate placement. Though he was obviously anxious to get moving again, these three months of limited operations allowed Patton to refit weary troops, reconstitute available equipment, and buildup supply reserves.

Many of the Allied armies on the go since D-Day were still engaged in heavy combat while Third Army conducted limited attacks in the Lorraine Valley. Able to "stand fast" in one location for a brief period, Patton did not allow a "garrison" mentality to develop. Along with the November attack against Metz, robust patrolling occurred when logistically feasible. Husbanding of supplies, ordnance repair, additional training, and rest were the order of the day. New railheads at Nancy, Chambley, Belleville, Dieulouard, Barancourt, Trieux, and Audun-le-Roman greatly improved daily delivery and establishment of supply dumps. Tanks ridden hard since fighting began received long overdue maintenance; however, units such as the 4th Armored Division were continually kept in the line. Ordnance and maintenance repair facilities were established or located in French and Belgian factories, greatly increasing efficiency and morale of the overburdened maintainers. Equipment modifications such as welding additional tank armor or installing extended end connectors or "duck bills" on the treads of medium tanks improved both the protection and traction on mud and soft terrain. Approximately 1 million of the plates were constructed in forty plants located near Paris and the Liege-Charleroi area. Additional training for the impending West Wall assault, or attending a new floating Bailey bridge school occupied many Third Army troops. Patton too could be seen "everywhere in his army area addressing his troops and radiating optimism."63 Guaranteed mail deliveries, hot chow and showers, plus liberal distribution of passes and unit rotations out of the line all contributed to high morale despite miserable weather. After capturing Metz on 13 December and with the logistics tail catching up with the frontline forces, Eisenhower gave Patton the go ahead to conduct a breakthrough to the Rhine River scheduled for 19 December. Third Army forces were ready to get back on the move. Fortunately for the Allies, Patton and his staff were prepared for other contingencies—such as the Ardennes Counteroffensive.


Battle of the Bulge

Many in the Allied high command were caught off guard when German forces smashed into the thinly held Ardennes sector on the morning of 16 December. Patton and his G-2, Colonel Oscar W. Koch, were not. Anticipating an attack on 12 December, Patton directed "his Staff to make a study of what the Third Army would do if called upon to counterattack such a break-through."64 Colonel Koch even sent a report to SHAEF on 13 December "warning of the continuing buildup of German forces east of First Army’s VIII Corps area."65 Third Army Staff members, especially the G-4 and other logistics related sections prepared to reorient the entire army 90 degrees, move it over 100 miles in the middle of winter in a period of 72 hours, and then attack with three divisions in the lead. At the 19 December senior staff meeting at Verdun, Patton briefed Eisenhower, Bradley and other major Allied officers on his general plan of attack. Patton’s aide Colonel Charles R. Codman described the reaction from those present, "There was a stir, a shuffling of feet, as those present straightened up in their chairs. In some faces skepticism. But through the room the current of excitement leaped like a flame."66 Patton’s army and logisticians would now "be responsible for a major effort to knife into the German southern flank."67

Quickly preparing for the planned 23 December attack, Third Army quartermasters and transporters focused their initial efforts towards the vital road hub of Bastogne. Colonel Busch, described the supply redeployment:

Longwy, France was selected from the map as the Quartermaster transfer point because of its good rail connections with Verdun and points in the new area, and by 182030 December, after a conference of the Quartermaster staff, the plan of supply was settled. It was arranged by telephone to load rations aboard cars at Verdun and to have a locomotive ready, to load 100,000 gallons of gasoline aboard Army trucks at Briey and Manicieulles; and to alert railhead, gasoline and service troops at Supply Point Number 57, Koenigsmacker (near Thionville). Officers were sent in jeeps with orders to lead and accompany the supplies and service units to the railway station at Longwy.

The operations officer was to proceed from Nancy to Longwy, approximately 100 miles and take charge. The operations officer arrived at Longwy at 190900, the rations from Verdun and the gasoline from Briey and Mancieulles arrived between 0900 and 0930 and the service units a few minutes later. At 190945 the Quartermasters of the two leading divisions reported and before 1000 hours were drawing supplies. This switch, concluded in less than fourteen hours, was blessed by an extraordinary amount of good luck.68

Transportation sections were busy moving 11,800 vehicles over four troop movement routes "even though vehicles encountered a landslide, a weakened bridge, enemy bombing and strafing, and several wrecks which caused a number of detours."69 Attacks still commenced as scheduled. In just three days elements of the 37th Tank Battalion, 4th Armored Division reached the beleaguered Bastogne garrison allowing much needed resupply and medical evacuations. Described by Patton’s superior, Bradley as "one of the most astonishing feats of generalship of our campaign in the West,"70 Third Army’s swift attack hit the rear echelons of the still advancing panzer spearheads, further weakening the German attack and ultimately preparing the battlefield for an Allied counterattack in early 1945.

The Battle of the Bulge highlighted the agility and skill of the Allied logistics system and individual logistician. The entire COMZ endeavored to sustain Allied forces by rapidly relocating supply and fuel dumps or forwarding critical items to the front. Third Army ammunition trains moved an average of 4,500 tons of ammunition per day during the last half of December and consumed on the average, only 3,500 tons per day. American fuel captured and used by enemy forces equaled no more than 100,000 gallons, but fuel successfully evacuated during the chaotic 17-19 December 1944 period equaled three million gallons. Third Army requested fifty thousand yards of white muslin to fashion white tunics as winter camouflage. COMZ did not have the material available but instead provided five thousand mattress covers which yielded ten thousand white snowsuits. Though successful in almost all areas, quartermasters faced continuing problems providing effective winter footwear to American G.I.s. Many of the overshoes issued to troops were discarded due to poor traction or a decrease in foot speed or worn without combat boots; substituting them with "cardboard insoles or Dutch felt slippers or in some cases several thicknesses of blanket."71 Even with these field expedients, trench foot and frostbite cases would hospitalize "44,728 men by the end of April 1945."72


On to the Rhine

Officially, the Battle of the Bulge concluded on 28 January 1945. Again able to refocus on offensive operations, Patton continued pushing his forces eastward towards the Rhine. Facing tough winter weather and favorable defensive geography, his Third Army endeavored to reach the Rhine first, only to be beaten by Hodges’ First Army at the Ludendorff Bridge near the town of Remagen on 7 March. Vigorously pursuing enemy forces, Patton linked up with Hodges by 11 March and began preparations to conduct the first assault crossings of the Rhine in modern history.

Extensive logistical support as well as improvisation were crucial to continuing Third Army successes leading up to the Rhine crossing. Restored rail lines and shorter truck hauling distances initially kept Third Army units well supplied. As operations proceeded deeper into Germany, truck transit distances approached those of late August 1944, though German autobahns lessened actual delivery times. Air Transport Service aircraft kept Patton’s spearheads rolling with "approximately twenty-five percent of the gasoline provided by air."73 Mobile tire repair teams also kept the Third Army on the move. Patrolling all main and auxiliary supply routes, these teams "were equipped with hot patches, tubes, tires and air compressors. When wheels were available, tires and tubes were premounted for direct exchange."74 In addition, preplanned priority deliveries of bridging, pontoons, and treadways as well as the requisite buildup of supplies and POL preceded the planned 22 March 1945 Rhine assault. Patton even considered mustering all Third Army L-5 liaison aircraft, "each carrying one infantryman, and making several trips an hour…to transport several regiments over the river and behind the enemy fortifications."75 After G-2 determined minimal opposition could be expected the ambitious air assault plan was dropped in favor of the planned river crossing. Without a preparatory artillery bombardment, the 5th Infantry Division (XII Corps) crossed the Rhine at Oppenheim, ten miles south of Mainz. So complete were Third Army Staff and quartermaster preparations that "within 36 hours of the initial crossing, a treadway and pontoon bridge had been erected, and by the 24th both the 26th Infantry and 6th Armored Divisions had crossed into the bridgehead area."76 Encountering light and confused resistance, Patton’s Third Army continued mopping up German forces east of the Rhine. With the First Army wheeling left to seal off the Ruhr pocket, Eisenhower directed the Third Army towards the "National Redoubt" in the Bavarian Alps to prevent possible Nazi guerilla attacks and then onto the partial occupation of Czechoslovakia. Patton and his beloved Third Army would not lead the final attack on Berlin.


Lessons for Today’s Joint Logistician

An examination of both Patton’s career and Third Army operations during 1944-45 provides many lessons for today’s joint logistician. First was Patton’s extraordinary knowledge of military history. Studying the campaigns of Alexander, Caesar, and Napoleon provided Patton with more than lessons in leadership and command—their successes as great commanders relied on logistical prowess. Today commanders and their joint logisticians too must maintain secure lines of communication, husband resources before campaigning, and rapidly reconstitute forces after battle to ensure continued success in the modern battlespace, although at a much faster pace and with considerably less resources available. Applying a robust study regimen similar to that practiced by Patton is still practical in the twenty-first century. Road networks, seaports, and topography have changed very little since antiquity (for example, both the Greeks/Spartans in 480 BC and British forces in 1941 defended the Thermopylae Pass) and understanding previous campaigns will greatly assist both the joint force commander and the joint logistician.

Patton’s exposure to the beginnings of both motorization and mechanization did not change his approach to warfare but did increase the ability to sustain his forces. A dominant figure in the evolution of armored warfare, he employed military forces successfully because of his ability to logistically support them over longer distances and at a much faster rate. As the services "transform" to fight in the twenty-first century battlespace, commanders too will witness continual technological improvements in mobility, weapons platforms, and precision ordnance; however, mission accomplishment will depend upon their abilities to logistically sustain expeditionary forces. With many overseas posts closed and "mountains of materiel" no longer available to maintain forces in combat, deployed units will be tethered to CONUS based lines of communication. Joint logisticians will have to explore, adopt, and adapt current and future technology to assure timely and adequate support over much greater distances.

Third Army’s style of fighting mirrors much of Joint Vision 2020—especially relating to dominant maneuver, precision engagement, and focused logistics. Patton relished the breakout, pursuit, and attacking of German forces in August 1944. Similar to Nathan Bedford Forrest’s cavalry raiding during the American Civil War, Patton’s operations across France during that critical month relied on speed, maneuver and overwhelming strength at the right place to defeat the withdrawing Wehrmacht. Patton seemed to be echoing Forrest’s "advice associated with his name: ‘Git thar furst with the mostest,’ an astute, albeit homey, rewording of Jomini’s fundamental principle to be strong at the decisive point."77 During the Lorraine campaign, Patton relied on his logisticians to maintain limited operations, but more importantly to stockpile resources for an eventual move into greater Germany. Engaging the panzer spearheads during the Battle of the Bulge, Patton combined dominant maneuver, precision engagement, and focused logistics to move his Third Army into position, attack, and exploit the Allied counterstroke. By analyzing Third Army operations and understanding Patton’s style of fighting, the joint logistician has an impeccable "playbook" to combine with joint doctrine and ensure support to the warfighter.

The most important lesson for today’s joint logistician is to make every effort to properly equip and support each individual soldier, sailor, airman, or marine. Patton led from both the front and rear. He strongly demanded additional gasoline and ammunition for his forces; however, requests for dry socks, hot chow, or replacement clothing would be worded in similarly strenuous terms. Any source of supply was considered and the use of host nation support, local purchase, and enemy prisoners of war augmented the quartermaster’s efforts to refurbish equipment and provide needed clothing. He also expected his staff officers to spend time "up front" to gauge the battle and see what additional support the troops required. His logisticians understood the importance of personal items in maintaining morale and overall fighting ability.

Patton and the accomplishments of the Third Army will continue to be a testament to the bravery and adaptability of the American warrior. Their performance during the European fighting of 1944-45 highlights the central role logistics plays in any military operation. In addition, Patton’s knowledge of military history, understanding and incorporating the latest technology, employment of combined arms, and his genuine concern for the troops provides logisticians and leaders alike a worthy example to study and emulate. His adage: "Gentlemen, the officer who doesn’t know his communications and supply, as well as his tactics, is totally useless" is still applicable today, and is valuable advice to all who will fight America’s wars in the twenty-first century.


Notes

1. Roger H. Nye, The Patton Mind: The Professional Development of an Extraordinary Leader (Garden City: Avery Publishing Group, 1993), 28.

2. Martin Blumenson, Patton: The Man Behind the Legend 1885-1945 (New York: William Morrow and Company Inc, 1985), 8.

3. Major General John J. Pershing, Report of the Punitive Expedition (Headquarters Punitive Expedition, US Army in the Field, Colonia Dublan, Mexico: 1916), 61.

4. Blumenson, 89.

5. Major George C. Marshall, “Factors Contributing to Morale and Esprit De Corps,” address, Military Schools and Colleges Association, March 1923.

6. Nye, 43.

7. Ibid, 45.

8. Ibid, 47.

9. Richard M. Leighton and Robert W. Coakley: Global Logistics and Strategy, 1940-1943, (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1995), 10.

10. Ibid, 12.

11. John T. Nelsen II, General George C. Marshall: Strategic Leadership and the Challenges of Reconstituting the Army, 1939-41 (Carlisle Barracks, Strategic Studies Institute, U.S. Army War College, 1993), 12.

12. Ibid, 12.

13. Colonel H. F. Sykes, Jr., “Logistics and World War II Army Strategy,” Military Review, (February 1956) Volume XXXV, no. 11, 49.

14. Ibid, 49.

15. Leighton and Coakley, Pg 14.

16. Christopher R. Gabel, The U.S. Army GHQ Maneuvers of 1941 (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, U.S. Government Printing Office, 1992), 27.

17. Leighton and Coakley, Pg 72.

18. Paul F. Gorman, The Secret of Future Victories (Fort Leavenworth, Combat Studies Institute, U.S. Army Command and General Staff College, 1992), 2-13.

19. Ibid, 2-13.

20. Ibid, 2-19.

21. Ibid, 2-20.

22. Porter B. Williamson, Patton’s Principles (Tucson, Management and Systems Consultants, Inc. Arizona Lithographers, 1979), 16.

23. Ibid, 31.

24. Lieutenant Colonel David C. Rutenberg and Jane S. Allen, The Logistics of Waging War: American Military Logistics 1774-1985, (Gunter Air Force Station, Air Force Logistics Management Center, 1985), 83.

25. Leighton and Coakley, 321.

26. Ibid, 320.

27. Major (P) John M. Taylor, North African Campaign: Logistics Lessons Learned, Military Review, (October 1983), Volume LXIII, no. 10, 51.

28. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Crusade in Europe (New York, Doubleday Press, 1948), 150.

29. Blumenson, 183.

30. James A. Huston, The Sinews of War: Army Logistics 1775-1953 (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1987), 519.

31. Roland G. Ruppenthal, Logistical Support of the Armies, Volume I (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 2000), 331.

32. Ibid, 334.

33. William F. Ross and Charles F. Romanus, The Quartermaster Corps: Operations in the War Against Germany (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1991), 75.

34. Ibid, 80.

35. Eisenhower, 176.

36. Blumenson, 216.

37. Ibid, 217.

38. Charles M. Province, Patton’s Third Army: A Chronology of Advance, August, 1944 to May, 1945 (New York, Hippocrene Books, 1992), 12.

39. General George S. Patton. War As I Knew It (Boston, Houghton Mifflin Company, 1947), 71-2.

40. Colonel E. Busch, Third Army Quartermaster Operations Military Review, (October 1946), Volume XXVI, no. 47, 56.

41. Major James R. Koch, Operation Fortitude: The Backbone of Deception Military Review, (March 1992), Volume LXXII, no. 03, 69.

42. Forrest C. Pogue, The Supreme Command (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1989), 175.

43. Busch, 56.

44. John Keegan, Six Armies in Normandy (New York, Penguin Books, 1994), 237.

45. Ross and Romanus, 398.

46. Martin Blumenson, Breakout and Pursuit (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1978), 354.

47. Dr. Roland G. Ruppenthal, Ammunition Supply in the Battle for Brest, Military Review, (December 1950), Volume XXX, no. 09, 39.

48. Province, 20.

49. Ross and Romanus, 720.

50. Ibid, 721.

51. Ibid, 399.

52. Ruppenthal, 571.

53. Hugh M. Cole, The Lorraine Campaign (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1997), 20.

54. Pogue, 258.

55. Edgar F. Puryear, Jr., 19 Stars (Novato, Presidio Press, 1994), 278.

56. Province, 62.

57. Cole, 293.

58. Province, 43.

59. Ibid, 47.

60. Ross and Romanus, 728-9.

61. Province, 75.

62. Cole, 295.

63. Blumenson, 241.

64. Patton, 143.

65. Province, 114.

66. Colonel Charles R. Codman, Drive (Boston, Little Brown and Company, 1957), 232.

67. Hugh M. Cole, The Ardennes: Battle of the Bulge (Washington D.C., Center of Military History, United States Government Printing Office, 1977), 487.

68. Busch, 62.

69. Province, 119-20.

70. Pogue, 381.

71. Ross and Romanus, 603.

72. Ibid, 600-601.

73 Busch, 63.

74. Province, 216-217.

75 Brigadier General Brenton G. Wallace, Patton and His Third Army, (Harrisburg, The Telegraph Press, 1946), 181.

76. Ibid, 182.

77. Alger, John I., “The Quest for Victory.” In Words on War. Edited by Jay M. Shafritz. (New York, Simon and Schuster Inc., 1990), 387.


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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 9:43:33 PM   
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I'm probably going to spend some time rebutting this nonsense, but can I appeal to you, first.

1. Please, please think about what you are doing. You are making this thread look bad. Further up this thread, you have quoted a book about corporate leadership style, which holds Patton up as a role model. Do you seriously think that a book written by a corporate strategist, can be used as the basis for an analysis of Patton's military ability? The man is trying to teach executives how to manage staff and increase profits, and you think this can be used to show Patton fought well in the Saar? What next, justification of his campaign in the Bulge by the woman who used to teach his grandaughter English literature????

2. You quote websites like confetti. Websites are no substitute for analysis of the real thing. Websites are not subject to peer review, they have no obligation to get it right because Peers and experts will not be watching when they publish. They are usually partisan ill informed opinion as a result. Some of your websites are the Patton Museum, the Patton Homepage, the Patton Society website and Patton uncovered. If you're going to quote these, I'd advise not citing the source, it looks bad for you.

3. You only make your case weaker (although why I should be revealing this is anybody's case) by quoting the same stuff over and over. "Your Germans who liked Patton quotes" has been copied into the thread three times, your "list of websites who merely mention Patton" is in the record twice. Your Bradley versus Patton from the discredited Patton uncovered website is in here at least twice, possibly three times.Why keep using the same information? It looks bad for you.

4. please quote fairly. You keep posting reviews of the one book you have read on this subject (please name the others if I am wrong) - D'este's work - as if publishing it's title and then a review that says it is good means Patton was great. If you have read this book, you will know Patton receives much criticism from D'Este throughout the book. People know this, I have quoted extensively from D'Este about Patton's failings, using D'Este's words. By ignoring this you give the impression of trying to win the argument by quantity not quality of argument. You give the impression of attempting to win by the forum equivalent of shouting the loudest.

5. Please take some of my responses apart. What you seem to do is read my response, then promptly ignore it and copy into the thread instead more articles that mention Patton. That's not debating. Look at my responses, I take what you have posted and discuss them. Why will you not do the same? Very little of what you post is actually your own thoughts, which I'd be intrigued to hear. It isn't a debate to merely copy in verbatim stuff other people have said. You yourself understand this because you said

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Therefore, the quality of the writer, and the facts they write about, are very important.
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6. Please, please, please quote from serious historians. I get the feeling next we're going to get quotes from the woman behind the counter at your local 7-11. I appeal to you, when publishing masses of info from websites, think first whether as you yourself put it

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Therefore, the quality of the writer, and the facts they write about, are very important.
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Regards (and hoping we can improve the thread together)

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 10:10:40 PM   
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I wanted to bring to the attention of other forum readers following the current (largely pointless) debate about Charles Whiting that this book by D'Este, described by Von Rom (quite correctly) as

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If you are seeking to understand General George S. Patton, then this is the book to read.


actually quotes (without contradiction) from Mr Whiting's 1970 book "Patton". This book is not to be confused with the novel "Kill Patton" which was a work of fiction. For readers interested in which part of Mr Whiting's book it was that Mr D'Este felt incisive enough to quote, please refer to page 634 (in the Harper Collins 1996 paperback edition). This quote is referenced as note 23.

For those without access to this work, Mr Whiting's words (which Mr D'Este does not contradict but rather presents as evidence), are in bold in the following section quoted verbatim from pg 634 (Harper Collins 1996 paperback edition):

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Patton's achilles heel (which would be painfully evident later in Lorraine) was that rather than cut his losses, he would attempt to storm his way out of a bad situation in the name of prestige. One of his critics scornfully notes that "the third army's wild rampage through Brittany obscured one central fact - west was precisely the wrong direction...Patton's greatest deficiency as a tank commander was his tendancy to think as a traditional cavalry tactician and to care little what direction he was attacking in, so long as he was attacking." Another biographer has written that Patton was "at his best and most successful only where he could apply his brilliant looose rein cavalry tactics against an already confused and mostly mediocre enemy. This was to be the lesson the Brittany campaign."


I would also add that in his "select bibliography" to be found at the end of his work, Mr D'Este sees fit to list no fewer than four of Mr Whiting's books (for the record, none of them of the SS "pulp" fiction variety).

They are, Patton, Patton's last battle, Bounce the Rhine and 48 hours to Hammelburg.

If anyone needs help defending Mr Whiting, perhaps we can refer to Mr D'Este.

Regards,
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ORIGINAL: Von Rom

Here are just a few of the many, many reviews by readers that are praising the work of Carlos D'Este's book: "Patton A Genius for War". If you are seeking to understand General George S. Patton, then this is the book to read. You can cut through everyone else's views and find out for yourself about the man, the leader and the military fighter.

In this insightful and well researched book you will find out for yourself why the German High Command feared Patton above all other Allied commanders.






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An Excellent Biography of a Very Complex Man, October 27, 2003
Reviewer: abhishek malhotra (see more about me) from MUMBAI, MAHARASHTRA India

In terms of the biographies that one comes across this one is by far the most comprehensive and non judgemental towards its main character.

Patton's life is depicted through the book very vividly and covers a lot more about the man than most people know. It covers his life through his triumphs and disasters very distinctly without making the reader hate or love Patton more or less than he ought to be.

Patton's life is more than just the last three years of his life through which he is most known among the world - His Glory Years - World War II. And those years are very beautifully covered in the book. Infact they show more about him, his nature and his character than the three years of the WWII.

Even though i have always admired him I still felt moved by the book. Not because he is idolised by the author in the book but more because through the book D'Este has shown that even the great Patton was just a human being full of doubts and fallings.

Patton's greatness does not lie in his swashbuckling nature, his outbursts, his abusive language but in the fact that he was more confident in the training that he made his armies go through, the discipline he ensured among his soldiers and in his utter confidence in his them.

Yes! you hate him a number of times during the book. But you come to admire what he did for his men in the field. In my belief inspite of the fact that it was his nature to try to test his fate whenever he went to the front but merely seeing their general among themselves inspired the men who served under him to do their best for him.

I have never ever enjoyed any biography more than this one. It made me laugh many times, it made me cry many times and it makes me sad that such a man wasnt given the respect he deserved - more than any other general who served in the army. In my view he was truly the Greatest General who served during World War II at least the Greatest American General. And he deserved the 5 Stars I have given this Book.


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An Unforgettable Biography, August 12, 2002
Reviewer: kruzkontrol (see more about me) from Woonsocket, R.I. United States

First of all, I'd like to thank the author for this magnificent biographical work. When you read a book that moves you the way this one does....the author deserves our highest praise. From the first page on....you'll quickly realize how well D'Este writes. Select a passage from any page in the book, and you'll be hard pressed not to continue reading from that point forward. Even the 100 or so pages of footnotes at the end are the most informative and interesting that I've ever perused.

D'Este didn't hurt his cause either by selecting George S. Patton as his biographical subject. This mammoth offering chronicles the life one of America's greatest heroes of the 20th century....and perhaps the most controversial as well. Patton's life was complex, intense, and full of controversy at every turn. A very determined and goal oriented person from youth, Patton's call to military life continued a long standing family tradition of outstanding military service dating back to the Revolutionary War. An excellent military strategist, Patton could move an army like no other general before him, but personal conflicts and difficulties with his superiors and the press alike....proved to be his Achilles heel.

This book is very detailed, yet easy to read. As an added bonus.....you'll find 2 sections filled with superb photography, plus numerous campaign maps scattered throughout the text. As an avid reader....I consider this to be one of my all time favorite biographies.

J.B. Kruz
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Patton in all his glory, vanity, and daring, May 30, 2004
Reviewer: dennythedentist (see more about me) from Pelham, NY United States

Let me start out by saying that this this book is, first and foremost, very readable; I say that because, even though I am an avid reader of military history, too often these sorts of biographies can be very dense. I found Patton's early years fascinating - grandson of a Confederate war hero, Patton was raised with stories of his family's military legacy as a core part of his being, leading him to believe in his destiny to do great things. From his academic struggles to get through VMI and West Point, his early military experiences in Mexico and WWI, the tedious interwar years - all form a great foundation for the Patton's entrance on to the WWII stage.

Patton's leadership style was what fascinated me the most. Action oriented with his troops, Patton made sure his troops kney were being LED, and made them believe they could win. Pompous and a stickler for military decorum, he could be seen as a bit of buffoon. But he led by example - out with the troops constantly - and he delegated heavily to his staff even as he demanded the best of them. About what other leader do veterans say things like, "I was with Patton" when describing their war experiences?

Like all WWII military leaders, Patton is controversial, and some readers may want to understand other perspectives on Patton's run-ins with folks like Montgomery, Ike, and Bradley. D'Este's trump card seems to be that the Germans feared Patton the most of all the Allied generals.

The book covers all facets of Patton's military life, his relations with family, and goes into details on all his campaigns. With the Berlin Wall now gone, the import of Patton's concern about the Russians may seem less important now, but he was certainly right on.

As biographies of military figures go, this one is a winner. Highly recommended.


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Captures Patton the Man and the Warrior, March 13, 2004
Reviewer: A reader from Jonesboro, AR USA

D'Este's biography of General Patton is as thorough and balanced a treatment of this great man as I have ever seen. I re-read my old (now long out of print) copy of Farago's "Patton: Ordeal and Triumph" afterward and discovered just how different the two accounts are. Both books are essential reading as they give you different (but not disparate) views of General Patton. Both are unashamedly pro-Patton while acknowledging his human flaws. "Genius For War" attempts to delve more deeply into Patton the man than any previous biography. It also helps to detach the General's story from the image portrayed in the fine 1970 film "Patton." Ultimately there is far more to General Patton than the movie could ever convey. However, "Genius For War" conveys this depth quite well. One comes away from "Genius" feeling that Patton's story has finally been told with far more accuracy. I had only one quibble with the account, and it is of minor consequence. I felt D'Este was too invested in portraying Patton as dyslexic; perhaps his information sources were biased on this matter. While the author quickly dismisses the possiblity that the General may have suffered mild traumatic brain injury (perhaps from numerous falls from horses), his descriptions of the General's behavior actually raise this as a credible possibility. While it raises an interesting question, I doubt if 60+ years after the General's passing that anyone will be able to definitively answer that question. This is unquestionably one of the most engrossing, readable biographies I have ever experienced. I give it my strongest recommendation, and thank the author for his efforts. I can think of few books I have enjoyed so much.


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The best Patton biography, September 24, 2003
Reviewer: Seth Frantzman (see more about me) from Tucson, AZ United States

Carlo does it again with this excellent biography of Patton. Recently a number of bios of this great american figure have appeared but this one remains the classic account and the neccesary text for any study of Patton.

It regalls us with pattons early life, his aristocratic heritage and the many quirks that made him stand out in the american army prior to WWII. Then it details Pattons succesful armored column command during the Lousiana Manuevors.

Next the author takes on a coup de' main of Pattons role in WWII from North Africa, to Sicily and finally the race across France.

An excellent account, highly readable and wonderfully written.

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Great reading, July 6, 2003
Reviewer: schmerguls (see more about me) from Sioux City, Ia USA

While Patton had flaws, and they are clearly presented in this excellently-written biography, I found his story full of high interest and one could not help but feel glad that Patton was present when he was on the battlefields where he served. This is an excellent work, well matching the other D'Este works I have read: Decision in Normandy (read 5 July 1992) and Fatal Decision (read 29 June 2003). Patton did heroic things but there is no need to admire his flaws--and that includes his belief that crude and foul language somehow made him a better man and general, and that he thought he knew more about mental damage than doctors. But this is a great and enjoyable book to read and I revelled in it.


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This is the Patton biography to judge all others by., June 2, 2003
Reviewer: William L. Gilstrap (see more about me) from Vidor, Tx USA

The book delves into Patton's outlook on life and war. It shows his immense boredom with peacetime soldiering and the unusual attitude about combat of this "born warrior".
Patton was, above all else, a warrior and an accomplished leader. His attitude of hard training and conditioning, along with strict discipline was calculated to protect his troops in battle because they knew what to do and were in condition to do it.

Up through World War II, Patton was the greatest expert about tank warfare and also about combining tanks with infantry, artillery, and airpower. His lack of control about what he said was his worst enemy and always got him into trouble.

Patton was dyslexic, which gave him problems with reading and made him unsure of himself. Apparently dyslexia affects more than just the ability to read. He always had a strong self-doubt mixed with the firm idea that he was born to lead a great army. He believed in reincarnation and thought that he had been a warrior in all the great battles of history. He overcame his dyslexia to the extent that he was very learned in classic literature and especially in everything concerning war. He also became a very successful lecturer (when he could control his tendency to purple prose) and wrote many important papers about military affairs.

The way General Eisenhower used General Patton like a deadly weapon to be used then put on the shelf is well detailed along with Eisenhower's efforts to hold the allies together and the resentment by Generals Patton and Bradley for Eisenhower's apparent favoritism to the British. The book is a really deep look at Patton's career, the politics of World War II and "The Battle of the Generals". It's thorough but highly readable. The account of the automobile accident that took General Patton's life shortly after the end of WWII is clear and well written. This should be a classic of books about World War II and Patton in particular.


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One of the BEST biographies I've ever read, April 29, 2003
Reviewer: James B. Hagerty (see more about me) from Cincinnati, Ohio

This masterpiece ranks among my favorite biographies. I put alongside excellent biographies of George Marshall (Cray), Dwight Eisenhower (Ambrose, D'Este), Churchill (Gilbert), Teddy Roosevelt (2 volumes by Edmund Morris), and Truman (McCullough).

You'll meet a Patton far different than the bellicose, rather one-dimensional character portrayed by George C. Scott in the Academy Award winning film. A great soldier and leader of men, well remembered as a great military innovator, Pattton was also a great athlete (Olympics!) and accomplished equestrian. He was also very spiritual, wrote outstanding poetry, occasionally suffered from depression, and overcame dyslexia.

Marvelous reading! Enjoy!



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THE Patton Biography, February 26, 2003
Reviewer: Grant Waara (see more about me) from Millington, MI United States

Brace yourself. Carlo D'Este after publishing works on Normandy, Sicily, Anzio and a brief work on the war in the Mediterranean, tries his hand at biography. And what an effort!

Patton is an out and out classic. Not since Farago's Patton: Ordeal and Triumph, has someone attempted a complete and thorough work on this controversial, complicated and charismatic figure. Most Patton bios tend to go lightly over the General's beginnings, not so D'Este. Here, he gives the reader a full treatment of Patton's origins. From his Confederate ancestry and the famous Don Benito Wilson, we see Patton go from a struggling youth, to a young man obssessed with wanting to be a career soldier. Other wonderful stories abound. My personal favorite is the one where Patton's daughters shock the family by reciting a profanity laced poem (carefully instructed by Daddy).

World War II takes up nearly half the book, but that's not surprising. All facets of his WWII career are gone over. Third Army buffs may be disappointed that Patton's tenure with his fabled Army is only given 100 pages, but considering how much of his life was spent with Third Army, it's understandable.

Well, written, carefully researched, entertaining, this is what all military biographies should shoot for.

"They'll lose their fear of the Germans, I hope to God they'll never lose their fear of me." Lieutenant General George S. Patton Jr.



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Combat General, February 1, 2003
Reviewer: Art (see more about me) from Virginia, USA

A detailed and comprehensive account of one of the greatest combat generals the U.S. Army has ever had. The author successfully captures the many sides of General Patton, going beyond the rather one-sided interpretation in the movie "Patton". The first sections of the book center on the general's early personnel life. Many of these chapters drag, but once the book enters into the battle chapters the author's skill and intimate knowledge of military history really shines. The author spends considerable time detailing the personnel relationships between Patton and the Army's top generals such as Eisenhower, Bradley, and Clark.



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Old blood and guts is brought to life, December 12, 2002
Reviewer: dixiedean2003 (see more about me) from Dublin, Ireland

An excellant and intelligent biography, Patton the man is examined as much as Patton the General, hence we only reach his first World War II command more than half way into the book. Mr D'Este's portrait is vivid and compelling, showing a creature born and bred for war. The development of his character and personality is charted from childhood, through World War I, the inter-war years and on into his campaigns in North Africa, Sicily and mainland Europe. His belief in his own destiny pervades the book and although it is not spoken, one can almost sense from the writing that Patton's untimely and accidental death in 1945 was inevitable, such was his utter unsuitability for peacetime life.

This is a modern biography, hence somehow Tom Cruise is referenced and a quote from Liam Neeson is provided at the start of one chapter. Fortunately however, the author refrains from excessive psychological analysis in the contemporary mold and instead portrays Patton solely through his actions and writings, allowing us to draw many of our own conclusions and interpretations.
The book for me did have one or two drawbacks. Patton was dyslexic and as so much of his own diaries and letters are included unaltered, it is at times difficult to read. The Battle of the Bulge period is also surprisingly brief and there is curiously no mention of the counter-attack debate between Patton, Montgomery and Eisenhower, which would have highlighted clearly the differences between Patton's dash and Monty's conservatism. Nevertheless, the omission does not spoil what is overall a superb biography.



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Patton: A Genius for War, December 11, 2002
Reviewer: George N. Havens (see more about me) from Bozeman, Montana USA

There are lots of books about Patton, but this is the most informative, the most balanced, and the most inspiring. It is very readable so that the length is not a problem. Further, you can pick it up and dig into a chapter all by itself. I have frequently referred to this book to understand better the Patton mystique and leadership style. D'Este highlights the unhappy relationship with Eisenhower who was bailed out numerous times by Patton: after Kasserine Pass and in the Bulge. Then Ike dishonored Patton by taking the 3rd Army away from him. Patton comes off as our best combat commander in Europe and one of the finest generals in U.S. history. It is easy to be put off by Patton's idiosyncracies and tough discipline, but his recsults speak for themselves. I do not know how you could write a better bio on "Old Blod and Guts" than this.



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An Exciting Biography of a Military Genius, August 15, 2002
Reviewer: Ronald J. Bloch (see more about me) from Wallingford, PA USA

Are 800 plus pages too much for a biography of George Patton? When I first picked up this hefty book, I thought to myself: "I don't know if I want to know THAT much about Patton." However, I soon found myself wishing for even more detail in a few sections, especially in the WWII chapters. D'Este does spend more than 200 pages describing Patton's family, childhood, and early manhood before WWI, but these (possibly) less interesting sections do give important clues to Patton's personality and background. For example, Patton's undiagnosed dyslexia had a major impact on him. Patton's WWII involvement covers most of the second half of the book, and then the pace of action really picks up.

Although a very sympathetic portrait overall, D'Este does describe quite well his complicated personality. Patton could be profane and pious, deeply emotional and callous, all at the same time. The author makes clear that Patton's obsession with his destiny to play an important part in a great war did not mean that he didn't care deeply for the men who served under him. In fact, D'Este provides evidence that Patton was more careful of the lives of his men that other generals such as Omar Bradley. Patton's complicated relationships with Bradley and Eisenhower are also delved into deeply. He and Eisenhower had been close friends since 1919, although that friendship was deeply strained during WWII. D'Este also discloses that Bradley basically detested Patton after the Sicily campaign.

D'Este also informs you along the way which parts of the famous movie Patton were true and which weren't. For example, the scene in the film where the German Luftwaffe attacks Patton's headquarters just as the British are telling him that of course they are providing adequate air cover is basically true. The competition between Patton and Montgomery to see who would get to Messina first is, at best, a one-way competition in Patton's mind. The scene in the movie where Patton greets Montgomery in Messina is purely apocryphal. D'Este discloses that after the American troops prove their worth in the later parts of the African campaign, Montgomery actually had a high regard for Patton's abilities. He also draws parallels between Montgomery and Patton, showing that in many ways, they had a lot in common.

I found myself wishing in a few places for a more detailed description of Patton's battlefield strategies, but to be fair, this is a biography and not a book about military tactics. Overall, I found it to be an excellent biography of a brilliant military general, and not one page too long.



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The Movie Pales in Comparison, July 13, 2002
Reviewer: Earl Holt (see more about me) from St. Louis, MO United States

The biographer's task is to compile the facts, utterances, and experiences of a lifetime and, after a thoughtful sifting and weighing of their importance, to draw conclusions and offer insights about that life.

By these and many other criteria, Carlo D' Este's massive Patton: A Genius for War, is an exceptional example of the biographer's task properly executed.

Three of his unique insights: By reproducing young Patton's letters home from the Virginia Military Institute, with their glaringly numerous misspellings, transposed letters, and missing punctuation, D 'Este convincingly demonstrates that Patton probably suffered from what is now commonly diagnosed as dyslexia.

Second, by chronicling some two dozen instances in which Patton suffered blows to the head after being thrown from a horse or struck playing polo, D' Este theorizes that much of Gen. Patton's eccentricities and volcanic temperment in later life may well have been attributable to brain damage resulting from this repeated trauma.

Finally, though he graduated only 25th of 248 at the Army's prestigious General Service School at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, Patton took exceptionally detailed and copious notes. These notes he later gave to a friend, Major Dwight David Eisenhower, who eventually ranked first in his class of 1925-1926. The rest, as they say, is history...

D'Este clearly worships his subject, and his description of Patton's shining moment -- marshalling three Divisions to relieve the 101st Airborne at Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge -- is worth the price of the book.

There were quite a few typos in the text and footnotes, but they hardly distracted from this, the finest biography I've ever read.



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Cutting through the facade, February 14, 2002
Reviewer: A reader from Dallas, TX USA

Carlo D'Este is one of the few authors who can extensively research a subject and apply the data in terms and language that anyone can understand. He refuses to allow extraneous side information such as religion and temper to negate Patton's decisive understanding of the dynamics of battle. Reading 900 pages is not an easy task. This task I found I could have continued. History has not been revised, but rather finally illuminated.



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Meticulous scholarship and great writing., January 4, 2002
Reviewer: Ned Fuller (see more about me) from Arlington, VA United States

Carlo D'Este is a rarity: a superb military scholar who truly writes like a skilled novelist (others include John Toland, Glenn Tucker, Stephen Ambrose and Clay Blair). The first tip-off to the scholarship is that 800 pages of text are backed up by 100 pages of footnotes. As for the writing, just open this book anywhere and start reading; I challenge you to put it down. Tons of fresh material, many myths exposed, and some "saints" (eg, Bradley) defrocked. A must read.



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Brilliant Biography, April 18, 2001
Reviewer: Nick Sarantakes (see more about me) from Commerce, Texas

Carlo D'Este, a military historian and a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, has written an amazing study of an important American war hero. The reader will not only learn about military developments that led to allied victory, but they will also get a real feel for the amazing personality that was George S. Patton, Jr. Only a few biographies leave you with the feeling that you have personally met the subject. This book is one of them. Anyone considering taking on the work of becoming a biographer should read this book and use it as a model.

When most people think of Patton, they think of the 1970 film staring George C. Scott. D'Este knows this and begins his study with a chapter setting up this movie as a straw man. The film was extremely powerful, but it was ultimately a work of fiction and Omar Bradley, a general who despised Patton, played a large role in its production. D'Este also asks the simple but difficult questions of: who was the Patton. and why does he deserves another biography. The answer to these questions takes up 977 pages. We learn that the harsh, profane image he presented to his troops and the public was just that, an image. He was deeply religious, and was willing to take risks that only a man with the sincere believe that providence favored him would chance. He was extremely sensitive, loved poetry, understood what it took to send men into combat and was deeply troubled that soldiers under his command would die because of orders he gave. He was one of the best generals the allied coalition had and it was no accident. He had ability and worked hard at doing an extremely difficult job: killing.

The most significant factor in shaping Patton's life was his dyslexia. Not only is dyslexia a learning disorder, it also entails a whole host of emotional and psychological consequences, including: feelings of inferiority, sharp mood swings, and a tendency to boast. Patton had all these traits and more. Given this disability, he had a difficult time as a cadet at West Point. He did well enough, though, to enter the cavalry.

His natural talents as an army officer quickly became clear, but he also knew how to play the bureaucratic game. General John Pershing became a mentor of his and he excelled during the First World War, rising to the temporary rank of colonel. He was personally responsible for establishing the organizational table and most of the doctrine of the new tank corps. During these days of experimentation with armor, he made an important friendship with Dwight D. Eisenhower. Both, however, understood enough about service politics to return to their original branches. The interwar period was time of extreme frustration. It was only as the threat of war loomed that his career began to move forward.

D'Este covers familiar ground during the war years: the campaign in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, the slapping of two enlisted men, the Knutsford incident, exile, and his drive across France, the Battle of the Bulge, and his removal from command. The author shoots down a number of myths. Patton and British Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery had profound respect for one another and the rivalry that developed between them came late in the war. Bradley never respected the ability of either Patton or his staff. Bradley also had a long feud with Montgomery and was the individual most responsible for advancing the "our blood, his guts" view of Patton. The media helped, though. Patton had horrible relations with the reporters, which contributed to the amount of attention focused on the slapping and Knutsford incidents. His friendship with Eisenhower saved him after he assaulted two soldiers. Patton thought his friend had no backbone and was would sell him out. After Patton's ill considered remarks about the Russians in Knutsford, Ike was ready to send him back to the U.S. It was only the intervention of the General George C. Marshall, the chief of staff of the U.S. Army, that saved him. He did order a chaplain to write a prayer for good weather and later decorated the man with a Bronze Star, but not during the Battle of the Bulge as the film "Patton" suggests. D'Este, however, notes that during this battle Patton was at his best, calling it his finest hour.

D'Este has a novelist's touch for details. The circumstance of Patton's death and the services honoring him are moving. Discussions of Patton's cowardly bull terrier, Willie, along with the relationship he had with the officers and enlisted men on his staff enable D'Este to give a full picture. D'Este's own military experiences inform this study. He pays attention to details that might have escaped an author with less expertise: Patton's use of maps, his organizational ability, and how he effectively employed assets such as intelligence. The research is impressive and it will be a long time before this book is ever surpassed.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 10:16:49 PM   
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Heheh

And how far do you think German tanks were penetrating into Russia in 1941?

Patton's main problem was that before he reached Metz, his supplies WERE CUT OFF.

The bulk of those supplies went to Monty for Market Garden.


Patton burnt up his fuel supplies disobeying orders and heading into Brittany as I have already revealed above.


Heheh

You really need to read up on Patton's activities in Normandy.

Although I can understand your lack of knowlege on these matters if all you are reading is Whiting's books.

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Heheh

You really need to read up on Patton's activities in Normandy.

Although I can understand your lack of knowlege on these matters if all you are reading is Whiting's books.


I have grave doubts about how much you actually know about this battle. You say Kevinugly is wrong, but do not use facts to illustrate why he is wrong. In order to put the record straight, (and prove me wrong!) could you actually describe the actions of the third army from it's activation on 1st August (if memory serves). Nothing heavy, just a few words, nothing serious, just what units did Patton have and where did they go?

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 11:08:46 PM   
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For Western - Allied leaders, he is a good one. For German leaders he was average IMHO.
I was never that impressed with the average German General when it came to leadership ability.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 11:16:11 PM   
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Cullie,

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Montgomery was the man needed in the Desert when he took command: solid, a good planner, respected by his men, and able to get more time and equipment from Churchill than anyone before. Could he have done the same thing in Russia… maybe or maybe not, but he did do it in North Africa.


Well I dont share your view as Monty being a good planner. Both for Caen and Arnhem, he seems to have badly underestimated German capabilities. For Caen, British operations turned to several mini-"Suprcharge" while Market-Garden saw Allied troops stalled without any options but frontal assault on well prepared German defenses (especially at Nijmegen). But finnally it is probably Monty main 'flaw' to be unable to use Patton like war conduct (in both operations). I always wondered how MG would have turned be US XV corps being in charge of exploitation instead of British XXX corps.

LC
You could be right, but it seemed to me his flaws lied in execution and flexibility. To compare, Rommel was much more willing to deviate from his plans when circumstances and planning didn’t agree, while Montgomery seem more determined to stay the course.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 11:49:14 PM   
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Cullie,

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Montgomery was the man needed in the Desert when he took command: solid, a good planner, respected by his men, and able to get more time and equipment from Churchill than anyone before. Could he have done the same thing in Russia… maybe or maybe not, but he did do it in North Africa.


Well I dont share your view as Monty being a good planner. Both for Caen and Arnhem, he seems to have badly underestimated German capabilities. For Caen, British operations turned to several mini-"Suprcharge" while Market-Garden saw Allied troops stalled without any options but frontal assault on well prepared German defenses (especially at Nijmegen). But finnally it is probably Monty main 'flaw' to be unable to use Patton like war conduct (in both operations). I always wondered how MG would have turned be US XV corps being in charge of exploitation instead of British XXX corps.

LC
You could be right, but it seemed to me his flaws lied in execution and flexibility. To compare, Rommel was much more willing to deviate from his plans when circumstances and planning didn’t agree, while Montgomery seem more determined to stay the course.


This is historical analysis. If you don't stop, I'll report you to the moderator .

I think MG might possibly have gone better with Patton, because it didn't require much thinking about. You give Patton one road, and say break through at all costs. You tell him not to disperse his effort, to allow the flanking formations to do their job, and to stick to the road at all costs. He might well have done better. He wasn't particularly sharp on the offensive against prepared defences, but he didn't need to be here, there was only one strategy and he would quite possibly have drove his boys harder than Horrocks. It's part of the Arnhem story that British tanks stopped, waiting for infantry, just a few undefended miles from Arnhem. I don't think Patton would have allowed that. I've always considered him a Corp Commander, and this mission might have suited him.

That said, it was still only one road, and as Horrocks said "Never try to fight your corp off one road" (quoted from memory so apologies if I've not got the wording precise).

I think Monty was a very good planner (usually) but very unimaginative. Time and again he justs groups his forces and plans the set piece. What he knew how to do, he did alright, but his issue was he didn't know how to do all that much. Caen is a complicated situation. Ultimately, I think he was concerned that British assault troops had traditionally moved quite slowly from the beachheads thus far in the war and by giving them a target 10 miles inland he was trying to give them more impetus to get moving.

As for underestimating German capabilities, I think this is a rather darker part of the story. It's clear in both instances that the troops at the sharp end did not know that II SS Panzer Corp and 21st Panzer were
in the respective Arnhem and Caen areas. At Arnhem, we know the information was withheld and the intelligence officer who discovered it forced to go on sick leave. At Caen, we know 21st Panzer was disovered quartered around Caen in May, but the information inexplicably wasn't filtered down. This may have been an error (how much intelligence information was flying about in May 1944), but it's suspicious that it happened again in September in similiar circumstances. I don't think the plan to take Caen was necessarily a bad one, but Monty seems to have (for once) overestimated what his troops were capable of.
Ultimately, the city was never on, in addition to several strongpoints, a btn of Pzgr from 21st Panzer were acrest the axis of advance from Sword beach.

I think he was the right man in Africa until Alamein was won. He planned a meticulous battle of attrition knowing he had material advantage. He won it, then didn't have the drive or will to purse the AXIS forces properly. He then drew up against prepared defences and took more time preparing another set piece, only belatedly trying to flank.

In Russia, I think he would have been lost. Without superior numbers, his innate caution would have paralysed him, I think. He might at a pinch have led an infantry army, but never a Panzergroup, and certainly not an Army group.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 11:53:35 PM   
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For Western - Allied leaders, he is a good one. For German leaders he was average IMHO.
I was never that impressed with the average German General when it came to leadership ability.


Interesting. I always have. The situations within the respective armies were different, but I always thought the superior training of the pre-war German Officer Corp, allied with greater attrition rates which meant more officers got the chance to command, meant generally they were a more competent bunch than anything the Allies possessed.

Would Any German commander have kept his post if roles had been reversed at Messina etc, or they had taken three months with naval and air supremacy to breakout from Normandy? Ultimately, since only success guaranteed continuing employment, better officers gravitated to the surface in the Wehrmacht.

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/13/2004 11:58:35 PM   
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I'm probably going to spend some time rebutting this nonsense, but can I appeal to you, first.

1. Please, please think about what you are doing. You are making this thread look bad. Further up this thread, you have quoted a book about corporate leadership style, which holds Patton up as a role model. Do you seriously think that a book written by a corporate strategist, can be used as the basis for an analysis of Patton's military ability? The man is trying to teach executives how to manage staff and increase profits, and you think this can be used to show Patton fought well in the Saar? What next, justification of his campaign in the Bulge by the woman who used to teach his grandaughter English literature????

2. You quote websites like confetti. Websites are no substitute for analysis of the real thing. Websites are not subject to peer review, they have no obligation to get it right because Peers and experts will not be watching when they publish. They are usually partisan ill informed opinion as a result. Some of your websites are the Patton Museum, the Patton Homepage, the Patton Society website and Patton uncovered. If you're going to quote these, I'd advise not citing the source, it looks bad for you.

3. You only make your case weaker (although why I should be revealing this is anybody's case) by quoting the same stuff over and over. "Your Germans who liked Patton quotes" has been copied into the thread three times, your "list of websites who merely mention Patton" is in the record twice. Your Bradley versus Patton from the discredited Patton uncovered website is in here at least twice, possibly three times.Why keep using the same information? It looks bad for you.

4. please quote fairly. You keep posting reviews of the one book you have read on this subject (please name the others if I am wrong) - D'este's work - as if publishing it's title and then a review that says it is good means Patton was great. If you have read this book, you will know Patton receives much criticism from D'Este throughout the book. People know this, I have quoted extensively from D'Este about Patton's failings, using D'Este's words. By ignoring this you give the impression of trying to win the argument by quantity not quality of argument. You give the impression of attempting to win by the forum equivalent of shouting the loudest.

5. Please take some of my responses apart. What you seem to do is read my response, then promptly ignore it and copy into the thread instead more articles that mention Patton. That's not debating. Look at my responses, I take what you have posted and discuss them. Why will you not do the same? Very little of what you post is actually your own thoughts, which I'd be intrigued to hear. It isn't a debate to merely copy in verbatim stuff other people have said. You yourself understand this because you said

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Therefore, the quality of the writer, and the facts they write about, are very important.
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6. Please, please, please quote from serious historians. I get the feeling next we're going to get quotes from the woman behind the counter at your local 7-11. I appeal to you, when publishing masses of info from websites, think first whether as you yourself put it

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Therefore, the quality of the writer, and the facts they write about, are very important.
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Regards (and hoping we can improve the thread together)

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Come, come. . .

Are you really interested in a "serious" discussion about Patton?

You have made it quite clear that your intent is to basically destroy any shred of evidence that points to Patton's abilities. That is NOT discussing the issue.

I saw this early on in what you wrote.

If Patton was to say the sky is blue, you would no doubt claim that he was wearing sunglasses, that he was facing the sky near dusk, and that the rate of movement in Arc degrees, would make it appear that the sky was not blue, but was rather a DARK blue. And not just the colour blue, as Patton had first described.

Do you get my meaning?

Your intent is solely to destroy Patton's reputation, no matter what you have to do, no matter how nitpicky you have to get, no matter what anyone writes, and no matter to what ridiculous extent you must go to, to do so.

As to what I have posted in this thread:

Contrary to what a few disgruntled individuals may claim, millions of people still LOVE Patton and his achievements, in spite of the attempts of people such as yourself to try and discredit him and them.

Patton's achievements are still studied in military academies; his museums adorn the landscape; books have been written showing that his proven leadershp abilities still work today. . .

I have indicated that in this thread.

I keep re-posting what German officers say, because people keep asking what the opinions of Germans were of Patton.

I can understand that all of this positive feeling toward Patton would upset you; since you want so badly to knock him off his pedestal. . .

But Patton's achievemnts still stand, even after 50 years. . .

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RE: Why was Patton so great? - 7/14/2004 12:01:42 AM   
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Much is made of Patton's 'dash across France' yet when analysed by Colonel John Osgood (a respected military theoretician) we get this gem.

From - http://pw1.netcom.com/~jrosgood/wc5.htm

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After experiencing tough German opposition such as that encountered at St. Lo, the frustrations of war in the hedgerows, and fearing the possibility of a potential stalemate similar to that of WW I, Bradley, with Eisenhower's blessings, formulated Operation COBRA which, like the unsuccessful British Operation GOODWOOD, was designed to achieve a breakout.

Operation COBRA involved a six division penetration by a concentrated Allied force across the St Lo to Periers highway. Following heavy carpet bombing along a three mile front, on July 25th three US infantry divisions punched a hole in the German lines after which three mechanized divisions exploited the breach.

This was precisely the text book course followed by VIII Corps when it turned West into Brittany while the XV Corps raced toward Argentan. However, critics now see the Brittany move as operationally flawed since the Breton ports ended up having little significance to the overall effort and the forces would have been better employed in the Eastern drive. Indeed this required the expenditure gasoline which later proved to be in short supply during Third Army's race to the Rhine.


I have added the emphasis in order to draw attention to that last, key, sentence.


Interesting article, although I would have loved to see it longer. He clearly understands very deep operational principles, and to see him apply those to the situation in a more detailed manner would have been interesting.

This I find very true:

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In summary, the OVERLORD operation could have benefited from better operational planning. The failure to analyze key options and exploit fully certain operational advantages probably prolonged the war to some degree. While seemingly simple things such dealing with the hedgerow situation and giving more consideration as to which sector would best support Allied armor were missing from the plan, in balance OVERLORD must be viewed from an operation standpoint as one of history's greatest military achievements.


but it isn't always entirely clear which key options he thinks were poorly analysed and hence a deeper treatment would have been really interesting.

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