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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:27:17 PM   
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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:38:54 PM   
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Ron at least get his job right will ya (Canadians think they know everything )


Well, we do know eveything, but every now and then we intentionally make mistakes to make everyone else feel better.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:40:20 PM   
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Enterprise is the by favourite, but do we really want to go where no one has gone before.


To bodly go where no man has gone before!


The women's washroom?

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:47:03 PM   
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How do you feel about the USS Winston Churchill ?

The only US ship named after a non US citizen.

Personally think was a good choice.


I know a guy serving in the USN (USS Stout), and he tends to agree.


For true entertainment value, ask him his opinion on 'Female ships' (ships with women among the enlisted crew).

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:50:06 PM   
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Ron at least get his job right will ya (Canadians think they know everything )


Well, we do know eveything, but every now and then we intentionally make mistakes to make everyone else feel better.



We are such an accomodating (should read...bend over and smile, buddy!) people! We even let government infringe on our right to walk our dogs, smoke, force bilingualism (social engineering) on our PRIVATE businesses................................

F__K we suck lately. Bunch of wusses.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/19/2004 11:55:48 PM   
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How do you feel about the USS Winston Churchill ?

The only US ship named after a non US citizen.

Personally think was a good choice.


I know a guy serving in the USN (USS Stout), and he tends to agree.


For true entertainment value, ask him his opinion on 'Female ships' (ships with women among the enlisted crew).


Didn't HMCS Protecteur (should be spelled Protector) have to cut short a Gulf deployment a few years back because half the crew "were expecting?" Pretty sad. Getting the clap was not a big enough deal to effect a ships operational readiness. This is silly. Same as having all French speaking crews in the Canadian naval service. Let's purposely complicate communication issues. Political correctness blows the big one.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 12:11:26 AM   
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We are such an accomodating (should read...bend over and smile, buddy!) people! We even let government infringe on our right to walk our dogs, smoke, force bilingualism (social engineering) on our PRIVATE businesses................................

F__K we suck lately. Bunch of wusses.



Don't know about the walking our dogs.

Bilingualism is ANCIENT, basically it was a part of Cnfederation. And I agree, a dumb idea. Although apparently, despite a high vote for the Bloc in the last election, feelings are that Quebec hasn't been more pro-Canada in 50 years.

I'd say why, but it would probably start a fight that we don't need.

As for the smoking, that one I agree with. We recently instituted a rather strict non-smoking policy in this city, and a lot of us are happy (and actually, California already had a similar ban before even TO did it, so its not like we made it up or anything). And much to he chagrin of coffee shops and bars, people still go to them to drink coffee and beer, just without the polution.

The reasoning for it is sound. There is a saying, your right to throw a random punch ends at the begining of my nose. So your right to fill the air with toxic gasses ends when I might breathe that gas.

Now if we could just pass a law about flatulence!

I kid, I'd be fined so bad I'd be in debtors prison!



A lot of people are always talking about their own rights, but forget that other people have rights as well. The crux of rights discussions is where your rights end, and my rights begin. Its something that I notice a lot of political extremists (both on the right and the left) in the US and Canada seem to forget.


Although in general I understand your complaint. As Canadians we tend to be too nice. And often the government - doesn't matter if its PC, NDP, or Liberal - tend to muck about too much in business that they shouldn't be involved in.


Anyway. I'm hijaking the topic here.

I agree, warships should have 'poetic' names, or good martial sounding names (so naming after Military leaders or famous battles is good). Cities and states (provinces) are good to, because these are ships of your country.
But some bloody politician? Yuck.

USS Ronald Regan. Good grief.

Oh here's one for you, from politicians, to media!

USS Bart Simpson
USS Angelina Jole
USS Leonardo di Caprio

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 1:33:09 AM   
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They wanted a USS Bill Clinton to be a laundry ship to get out stains.


That is not going to work. You will never get all the seamen out of a ship.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 1:37:43 AM   
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That is not going to work. You will never get all the seamen out of a ship.


hahahahah... that's a good one...

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 1:42:07 AM   
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JF Kennedy? good name, esxpecially cuz jfk was in the navy


I was always under the impression that the Navy never swallowed JFK, because he escaped being court-martialled when he lost his boat and got a medal instead...

I may be wrong, but I don't think Navy liked JFK nearly as much as they liked Nimitz, Halsey and other real sea dogs.

F.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 2:26:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		The USS Essex also has a namestake from UK-US wars, she was captured by the RN and turned into a convict ship. IIRC she was armed with powerful, but short ranged, cannons. The RN ship that captured her kept out of her range and pounded her until she lowered her flag.

I guess as a CV she didn't need to be worried by being outranged by surface ships.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 2:30:03 AM   
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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 2:39:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 2:40:52 AM   
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JF Kennedy? good name, esxpecially cuz jfk was in the navy


I was always under the impression that the Navy never swallowed JFK, because he escaped being court-martialled when he lost his boat and got a medal instead...

I may be wrong, but I don't think Navy liked JFK nearly as much as they liked Nimitz, Halsey and other real sea dogs.

F.



Not that a really dislike JFK as President (lousy personal life, but as Democratic Presidents go, really one of the best), nor do I question his service to his country or his courage . . . but . . .

That was really some trick getting a 80ft 38ton PT Boat rammed by a 378ft 2100ton destroyer. A corageous man, but not necessarily the greatest PT-Boat skipper of all time. Actually, President Kennedy probably said it best when asked how he became a war hero: "It was absolutely involuntary; they sank my boat."

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 2:42:00 AM   
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On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


/salute USS The Sullivans!

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 6:05:27 AM   
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Vinson never left Congress but he along with Roosevelt made the Two Ocean Navy!

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 7:30:37 AM   
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Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


Master Chief, How do you feel, as a 23 year submarine veteran, about going onto a vessel designed to hunt subs? Or are the SSNs now considered to be the only sub hunters in a carrier TF?

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 7:49:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well How many generals of the USA were SUPREME Commanders of all allied forces Europe?

If Ike were just a mere general of his time I can see the point but he was the ultimate commander in europe basically, while his being president might also have come in play he was the Allied commander who won in europe.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 7:56:19 AM   
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Carrier and named her "Enterpise" and the first shuttle was named that as well.


Works for me.



Well, I think that alot of letters and other things had alot to do with First Shuttle (actually the prototype) being named Enterprise... especially from us Trek Folk

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 7:59:22 AM   
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Well, uh, technically only Enterprise is a "CVN", right? The others are CVs....


Btw, where does the name "Kitty Hawk" come from? I guess a trip to navy.mil would reveal some answers but I'm too lazy. Civil War?



CVN= CV NUCLEAR

I believe it defines Nuclear powered CV's?

CVN came out when Nuclear powered CV's were launched, I recall the CV tag for Carl Vinson while it still operated when the first CVN's came out.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 8:21:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Laws on smoking indoors are good, I always got out of house as a boy, while my aunt wasn't allowed to smoke in the house on visits she sure stank of smoke and I'm allergic..

Smoking/non-smoking areas never were workable in places either, air circulates, the smoke could still affect people also there were always people who would ignore signs and sit and eat and smoke in non-smoking areas.

In USa Smoking really never has been a "right" and I think sometimes people think too many things are a "right"

But lets get back to carriers...


I do Shudder if ever we start to name ships after Corporations etc....

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 9:29:06 AM   
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Keriist!!!! Ron I thought you knew evrything.

Vinson never left Congress but he along with Roosevelt made the Two Ocean Navy!


What can ya do... After a few beers I come across like a big know it all blowhard once in awhile. I feel like such a loser....!!!!!!

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 9:32:32 AM   
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Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


Definately famous subs named after sea critters. Much like the Tang class were. Anyway, Rich O'Kane got a new Arleigh named for him.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 10:25:39 PM   
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Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


Master Chief, How do you feel, as a 23 year submarine veteran, about going onto a vessel designed to hunt subs? Or are the SSNs now considered to be the only sub hunters in a carrier TF?


Always been a big supporter of the total warfighting team! The Tin Can Navy's heritage is just as rich as our submarine heritage!! I'm looking forward to the challenge! Besides, I'm all for anything that hunts the "BAD GUYS" submarines regardless of platform or warefare community. Hell, if the Marines ever figure out a way to take out a KILO running on batteries, I'll give them a healthy ooh-raw and join on up!!

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 11:12:39 PM   
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Being a 23 year submariner, I still cringe thinking that we missed such a great opp to return to our heritage and name the new class of fast attacks after fish! Perhaps starting with the top five sub aces of the war and work from there. Instead we get VIRGINIA... no offense to that great state, but it's just not right!!! On the other hand I just got orders to a ship who's name sake epitomizes the American Fighting Spirit ...USS THE SULLIVANS DDG 68


Master Chief, How do you feel, as a 23 year submarine veteran, about going onto a vessel designed to hunt subs? Or are the SSNs now considered to be the only sub hunters in a carrier TF?


Always been a big supporter of the total warfighting team! The Tin Can Navy's heritage is just as rich as our submarine heritage!! I'm looking forward to the challenge! Besides, I'm all for anything that hunts the "BAD GUYS" submarines regardless of platform or warefare community. Hell, if the Marines ever figure out a way to take out a KILO running on batteries, I'll give them a healthy ooh-raw and join on up!!


Have you had a chance to participate in exercises with the Upholders in RN service or as ignorantly named Canadian Victoria, Windsor, Corner Brook and Cretien's home town. Really sad naming calls as they are place names YET again.

Ask because they are supposed to be leaps and bounds ahaean of Kilos and Collins class boats in quietness.

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/20/2004 11:16:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		In general, naming things, like ships, airports, roads, parks, etc. is IMHO ass kissing and brown nosing. The individual you name things after should be at least one generation, if not more say 50 years dead to properly determine how "great" that person actually was. Before that it's just party politics and repayment of favors. Like Minetta Airport - who is the current Secretary of Transportation - every time I land there I think "Bunch of Brown Nosers."

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/21/2004 1:42:50 AM   
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Well, uh, technically only Enterprise is a "CVN", right? The others are CVs....


Btw, where does the name "Kitty Hawk" come from? I guess a trip to navy.mil would reveal some answers but I'm too lazy. Civil War?



CVN= CV NUCLEAR

I believe it defines Nuclear powered CV's?

CVN came out when Nuclear powered CV's were launched, I recall the CV tag for Carl Vinson while it still operated when the first CVN's came out.



Actually, USS Enterprise was first designated CVAN Enterprise
CV Attack Nuclear
Most other carriers at the time (1960) were CVA's

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/21/2004 9:45:58 AM   
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Just was thinking on the remark of ships named after corporations..


Hummm Editor... look up Japan and US businesses and all anf hummm Rename ships to like USS Dupont, USS Standard Oil USS Sears Roebuck


Ja[an.... humm harder ... would need look up 40's japanese business names..



Might be an interesting scenario....

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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/21/2004 1:19:41 PM   
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RE: Goodbye Beautiful Carrier Names - 8/21/2004 2:45:14 PM   
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yes it's too bad. even have an ssn named jimmy carter. otoh we have an ffg named after samuel b roberts (a de of leyte gulf fame) that ate an exocet in the gulf during the tanker war and some of the ddg-51's are named after important folks (like ddg-63 uss stethem named after the navy diver murdered by arab terrorists during a plane hijacking in the med). of course the cg-47 ticonderogas are named after famous us battles.




Hi,
It was the Stark that was hit by Exocet. The Roberts struck a mine in the 2nd Gulf War.

Actually Stark FFG-31 was hit by 2 Exocents on May 17 1987
Samual B Roberts FFG-58 is the 3rd USN Ship with that name. DE-413 (lost in action 1944) and DD-823.

(I was crew USS Fahrion FFG-22 of same Desron as Stark and USS Halyburton FFG-40 same Desron as Roberts. I believe Halyburton and Roberts were the only 2 FFG deployed to 2nd Gulf War )(Halyburton was from Texas but he was Corpsman KIA and MOH winner)(Frank Fahrion was a WW2 Admiral)

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