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PH Question - 8/31/2004 4:37:51 PM

thefish7

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I just started a scenario as the Japanese, and had what I thought was a strange result at Pearl Harbor. My planes blew the hell out of the bases, but not a single ship was hit. I don't think I changed any orders... anybody experienced anything like this?

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 4:57:45 PM

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Could be fog of war. You would only see any hint of results during the bombing of PH. I'm sure you hit something, assuming you left first turn options on.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:26:13 PM

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That's what I thought was probably going on. I do have fog of war on. I also have the historical turn one concept. I generally skip the bombing animations (of ground targets)... If I do this will I have also skipped the air-naval combat animations also?

Another interesting thing that popped up was the US carriers tried to attack my carriers as they returned to Japan. Being a noob I hadn't changed my bombers orders away from port attack, so though the US carriers were spotted they weren't attacked. When the US raid arrived I had all of my Zeros up in CAP (basically), so 74 Zeros destroyed every attacking US plane (losing 2 in the process). Unfortunately I never found the US carriers to finish them off... Thought it was kinda weird that I even ran into them.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:33:02 PM

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But also one of the interesting aspects of the AI -- it will do some things unexpectedly (and before everyone jumps in and changes the tone of this post: not as unexpectedly as a human in PBEM, ya ya ya).

Note that the animations for the attack on PH Turn 1 is not like an attack at sea, so you won't see the planes stack up against individual ships. This is an attack on a port, so the animation is nothing more than "squadron x bombing run" with a line note saying "Bomb hit on Arizona" etc, etc.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:36:36 PM

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Ahhhh! That explains it... If I skipped the animation I wouldn't have seen all those bomb hit reports.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:38:31 PM

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Right. However, I think the hits still should appear in the combat results report (have to check that). Also, you won't necessarily get "sunk" results on the intel screen right away -- that can take many, many days.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:38:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thefish7

That's what I thought was probably going on. I do have fog of war on. I also have the historical turn one concept. I generally skip the bombing animations (of ground targets)... If I do this will I have also skipped the air-naval combat animations also?

Another interesting thing that popped up was the US carriers tried to attack my carriers as they returned to Japan. Being a noob I hadn't changed my bombers orders away from port attack, so though the US carriers were spotted they weren't attacked. When the US raid arrived I had all of my Zeros up in CAP (basically), so 74 Zeros destroyed every attacking US plane (losing 2 in the process). Unfortunately I never found the US carriers to finish them off... Thought it was kinda weird that I even ran into them.

Same happeneed here, except all my zeros were still on escort.

3 Carriers sunk off midway, 6 Months early

, I restarted the game immediately.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:42:23 PM

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Ah, you shouldn't have! All those carriers are immediately (re)placed into the build list. It just means you get a few extra months to run rampant. Now, as to whether the AI is a match against an overly aggressive human, that's another forum topic...

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:52:39 PM

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I think he meant Japanese carriers. They never return! But why restart? Japan could not restart after Midway...!

K

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 5:58:37 PM

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I think he meant Japanese carriers. They never return! But why restart? Japan could not restart after Midway...!

K

I did

I did consider it, but it was like my 3rd game and i was still learning, and i didnt particually want to learn to play the game without a 1/3rd of my carriers.

Im now on March 42 on my following campaign and have decided not to restart under any circumstances.

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 6:02:07 PM

Kereguelen

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Well, I did some restarts too

. But only to optimize distribution of assets for PBEM

. Hopefully it will help, since there will be no restart

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RE: PH Question - 8/31/2004 11:09:59 PM

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Hi, Against the AI you can restart a game or rerun a turn (after changing orders) as much as you like. (You can do what ever makes playing the game more fun. ) In a PBEM game you have to be more careful but that is why you play against the AI before starting PBEM.
I bet players who get caught with their groups still on port attack by AI are very careful to change them in their PBEM games. It would be a hard sell to convince most PBEM players that the "obvious blunder" rule should be invoked.

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