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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/10/2004 10:55:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		My main point wasn't the two day turn but the ability to launch turn one port attacks on all 3 main ports. The two day turns just magnify the effects of these attacks somewhat. It clearly has to be conceded that the first turn strikes far exceeded what was historically plausable. They may have been a mathematically possible but lets be serious. Taking out the US BB fleet, the British BB fleet and most of the sub fleet at Manila by 8 Dec would have been a naval disaster without precedent. Since this result can be reliably achieved in the game before the allied player has any chance to respond it normally should be prevented by house rules.

Now players can play however they like using whatever agreements they desire or no agreements at all. My point was that if you start out by destroying most of the allied navy in the first turn or two, it should not be a surprise to see the JP forces run wild. If on the other hand the allies are left with something to fight with,the JP player will not be likely to achieve such rapid results.

Not trying to start a fight as its been an interesting AAR. I'm just killing time waiting for the patch.

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RE: Oil and Resources - 10/10/2004 11:05:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, The airfields in PI were hit after the USAAF groups had landed due to a SNFAU not Japanese surprise. PI launched all aircraft in response to PH attack. Ships in Manila were underway hours before any Japanese strike could have arrived. Same for Singapore.
It was Dec 8 1941 in Singapore when it was Dec 7 at PH. Force "Z" Pow and Repulse were underway from Singapore before any Japanese port attack could have been directed against them in port.


Fine, then allow the Allied player to put their ships to sea on the first turn. They can still be sunk by Betties. There is no where to hide. Either:

A. They are kept in port where they can be hit by a prepared raid.
B. They leave port and chance being sunk like the Repulse and Prince of Wales.

No port attacks is a no go. What are these magic ports that can prepare their defense in only a few hours from an attack at dawn? Submarines will survive but the other ships are at risk. Having an arbitrary rule banning additional port attacks is nonsensical.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/10/2004 11:09:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moses

My main point wasn't the two day turn but the ability to launch turn one port attacks on all 3 main ports. The two day turns just magnify the effects of these attacks somewhat. It clearly has to be conceded that the first turn strikes far exceeded what was historically plausable. They may have been a mathematically possible but lets be serious. Taking out the US BB fleet, the British BB fleet and most of the sub fleet at Manila by 8 Dec would have been a naval disaster without precedent. Since this result can be reliably achieved in the game before the allied player has any chance to respond it normally should be prevented by house rules.

Now players can play however they like using whatever agreements they desire or no agreements at all. My point was that if you start out by destroying most of the allied navy in the first turn or two, it should not be a surprise to see the JP forces run wild. If on the other hand the allies are left with something to fight with,the JP player will not be likely to achieve such rapid results.


Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor or Manila/Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y with port attacks if they wish.

< Message edited by WiTP_Dude -- 10/10/2004 5:16:18 PM >

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RE: Oil and Resources - 10/10/2004 11:33:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Yes it is very easy to lose more taking a base then the base is worth in VP so what? Thats part of the problem with this plan in the first place. What good does it do Japan to conquer places but lose it's war making potentional in the process. Japan can kill it's self winning but that has been a problem military forces have always had to consider.
"Is it worth it"?


What war making potential? The Marianas Turkey Shoot? By the middle of 1943 Japan's only war making potential is to have control of territory and dig in. Keeping thousands of Zeros and Betties around is rather meaningless. The Japanese had a numerical advantage at the Turkey Shoot. Big deal. How many carriers and battleships did they have? A lot and it didn't help at all. It was still a Turkey Shoot.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 12:04:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor, Manilla, or Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y and Z out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y and Z with port attacks if they wish.


The choice should be Pearl Harbor or Manila AND Singapore, as the latter two could be easily sync'ed.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 12:15:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoCares

quote:

ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Players should come to an agreement as the following:

1. The surprise attack will come at X (be it Pearl Harbor, Manilla, or Singapore).
2. The Allied player may move his ships at Y and Z out to sea if they so choose.
3. The Japanese player may attack Y and Z with port attacks if they wish.


The choice should be Pearl Harbor or Manila AND Singapore, as the latter two could be easily sync'ed.


Yes, you are right. I will go back and modify my statement. Also, why can't all three be syncronized now that you mention it? Dawn attacks at Manila and Singapore with a noon time strike at Pearl Harbor.

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Landings at Kuching - 10/11/2004 2:34:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/16/42

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Night Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 25

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Night Air attack on Aparri , at 46,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on 17th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 7
I-16c x 7
SB-2c x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
5 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 3
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 30,34


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 3
Blenheim IV x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 66th Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 9
E7K2 Alf x 8
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 6
Ki-51 Sonia x 13
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged
E7K2 Alf: 3 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
8 x E7K2 Alf bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,54


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6
Wirraway x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tokusima Maru
AK Turuga Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Isonami

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 29,34
See, six PT boats!

Japanese Ships
PT Gyoraitei #1
PT Gyoraitei #2
PT Gyoraitei #3
PT Gyoraitei #4
PT Gyoraitei #5
PT Gyoraitei #6

Allied Ships
AK Legazpi, heavy damage


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Ground combat at 30,34

Japanese Deliberate attack
Disappointing, time to retreat again.


Attacking force 67645 troops, 456 guns, 437 vehicles

Defending force 74650 troops, 868 guns, 795 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1893 casualties reported
Guns lost 62
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
637 casualties reported
Guns lost 51
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 191308 troops, 2008 guns, 11 vehicles

Defending force 185651 troops, 1085 guns, 76 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 129327 troops, 1021 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 203982 troops, 2008 guns, 296 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2745 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 76750 troops, 335 guns, 425 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 4


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39967 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 44859 troops, 407 guns, 62 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4372 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7087 troops, 46 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported









AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/17/42


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Night Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 30

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Night Air attack on Laoag , at 45,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Night Air attack on Aparri , at 46,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Coastal Guns at Kuching, 28,56, firing at TF 90
TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 28,56


30 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Isonami
AK Tatuno Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
227 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Kuching, 28,56, firing at TF 90
TF 90 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 28,56


45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Isonami, Shell hits 2
AK Belgium Maru

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 52
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 30,34


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 6
Blenheim IV x 16
P-40E Warhawk x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
7 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 62nd Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 14
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
T.IVa: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD APD-1, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Taketoyo Maru
AK Belgium Maru, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Turuga Maru
AK Tokusima Maru
AK Tatuno Maru
DD Isonami

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Pamakasan at 24,66
The Java Sea is no longer safe for the Allies.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
G3M Nell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Loa Koeloe, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 2, on fire


Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
B5N Kate x 14

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD APD-1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Asagumo
APD APD-37
APD APD-39
APD APD-34

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Wirraway x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Nagato Maru
AK Sakito Maru
AK Belgium Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
4 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tatuno Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Durban Maru
AK Onoe Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 191528 troops, 2016 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 186453 troops, 1096 guns, 77 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 129964 troops, 1029 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 204232 troops, 2016 guns, 299 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Kuching

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1377 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 10309 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles



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Ground combat at 30,34

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2766 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 76625 troops, 336 guns, 424 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40064 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 45009 troops, 408 guns, 64 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4410 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7137 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 10:46:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude
Also, why can't all three be syncronized now that you mention it? Dawn attacks at Manila and Singapore with a noon time strike at Pearl Harbor.


Too dangerous to be detected. The carriers needed the night to run into launch distance - with a time difference of 6h to 7h (Pearl GMT+10, Manila & Singapore GMT-8, but geo. Sing more like GMT-7) it was to dangerous to run into a prepared defence and a counter attack.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 3:33:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Read my post. I allow Japan to make port attacks but the Allied player is allowed to give orders except at PH. This is the same house rule I use in every game where i am Japan so it's not something invented just for this game.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 4:54:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		So basically you place no restrictions on JP first turn attacks?? Seems that I remember a house rule of no attacks outside of fighter cover.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 5:05:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT

OK dont know if you would consider it objective but here is an analysis nontheless. Torpedo attacks at Singapore Naval base and Cavite Manila were NOT remotely possible. Never mind "NIGHT" time torpedo attacks, which is the only way a "SURPRISE" attack could have occured at those locations. Lets just hope that Pry's port attack "FIX" will be adopted in V1.3


Sembawang naval base was a target on December 8th. It's very possible that the PH attack could have been delayed two hours to allow a surprise attack on Singapore. Even without a delay it's possible ships may have been sunk nonetheless. The thing is historically there was bad weather over Singapore.

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Fea1/801-900/Fea854_Singapore-Assualt_Yeo/fea854.htm

quote:

You have proven that the decision to leave litterally dozens of Allied squadrons and LCUs either out or delayed from the historic reinforcement oob is a mistake. As is the artifical on NEI/Brit a/c delayed upgraded rule. Again as you have aptly demonstrated allows the Japanese player to delay the conquest of the SRA without fear of reprocussions.


Don't know anything about this. Make sure the Matrix people know so it can be fixed.

quote:

Very nice work executing your plan.


Thanks but it can be executed better by more skilled players.

Regards

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 5:23:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: moses

So basically you place no restrictions on JP first turn attacks?? Seems that I remember a house rule of no attacks outside of fighter cover.



Hi, The only house rules I used in the current PBEM games (I place no restrictions except the port attack on players running Japan against me) where I am Japan is I only make the PH port attack on turn 1. If the Allied player leaves ships in port in range of my LBA on turn 2 I make port attacks.
It is my personal rule not to attack outside my air control. I don't restrict the other player. Every one of my TF ends turn 1 inside my air control. I make no landings on turn 1 except for historical (I don't use the extended movement on turn 1 for landings)

As Japan I always allow the Allied player to give orders on turn 1 except at PH.

I don't mind when the other player as Japan uses the extended movement. I try to show why it is wise to stay inside air control.

< Message edited by Mogami -- 10/11/2004 10:25:25 AM >

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 5:53:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok here is what is going on. He can take the DEI and Phillipines if he moves enough troops there. Sinapore will be a really tough nut to crack and Burma is going to be too. New Zeland is going to be hard for him to take he needs a couple of more divisions to take if he has the troops. I wonder how many troops he will leave on the Hawaiian Islands and the other Central Pacific islands.

Here is what my intelligence screen show me.


Allies Japan

AA 708 781

Ground 526 421

Flak 93 1043

OPS 341 606


Totals 2064 2851




Here are number of ships I have sunk


over 360

By type:

3 BB's
1 CVE
2 Av's
5 Ca's
5 Cl's
2 CVL's
3 CV's
39 DD's
36 MWS
21 Pg's
4 Tk's
2 Ao's
158 Ap's
74 Ak's

I hope his loses in planes and ships have hurt. He has had a great start and got what he said he was going to get, but at what cost? Will he be able to put up a good defense when and were I want to counter attack.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 6:16:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, I bet there is a long list of RED numbers on the Japanese list all ship screen

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 7:22:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Read my post. I allow Japan to make port attacks but the Allied player is allowed to give orders except at PH. This is the same house rule I use in every game where i am Japan so it's not something invented just for this game.


Could you live with a rule to deny movement in PI and Malaya without a Pearl Habor attack?

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 7:38:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Ok here is what is going on. He can take the DEI and Phillipines if he moves enough troops there. Sinapore will be a really tough nut to crack and Burma is going to be too. New Zeland is going to be hard for him to take he needs a couple of more divisions to take if he has the troops. I wonder how many troops he will leave on the Hawaiian Islands and the other Central Pacific islands.


Sounds about right. I have enough to defend Indo-China with but not enough to take Rangoon. New Zealand is a big pain, when did the division show up by the way?

quote:


Here is what my intelligence screen show me.


Allies Japan

AA 708 781

Ground 526 421

Flak 93 1043

OPS 341 606


Totals 2064 2851


Yes, I've lost a lot of planes due to flak. However I'm not concerned about the losses. Yes, it hurts the victory point thing but I'm actually trying to put the Japanese in the strongest position possible. Huge losses of Nates, Betties, and Zeros aren't that important because there are plenty more where they came from.

Also from a realism perspective I wonder where the PI gets new B-17s and P-40s every turn from. It seems unlikely the US could supply them from the United States.

quote:

Here are number of ships I have sunk


over 360

By type:

3 BB's
1 CVE
2 Av's
5 Ca's
5 Cl's
2 CVL's
3 CV's
39 DD's
36 MWS
21 Pg's
4 Tk's
2 Ao's
158 Ap's
74 Ak's


How do you find the count of ships sunk? The only way I know how is by manually doing a count and this is too tedious for me with these big numbers. Anyway the state of the AP fleet is my biggest concern. AKs have half the losses and there were more of them to begin with. The BB losses are unfortunate since one was lost in a pointless bombardment of Midway and another in a pointless bombardment of Mogami Harbor. If I did it again I wouldn't bother with bombardmenting these positions because it played no role in the outcome. The carriers I would keep away from the land-based aircraft and just patrol around MH. The APs are going to be lost anyway because of the costal guns.

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I hope his loses in planes and ships have hurt. He has had a great start and got what he said he was going to get, but at what cost? Will he be able to put up a good defense when and were I want to counter attack.


The only thing that loss of planes hurt is the victory point margin. There are still enough replacements. The state of island defenses vary but there will be no particular weak points.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 7:46:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The divison showed up a week or teo before you came a callin. Yes I counted the ships by hand. I know he has many planes in reserve, the thing is how many of his skilled pilots have been killed, because I have better planes than he will very soon.

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RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 8:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, It's never about the aircraft. Japan can build them much faster then she can train pilots.
The A6M2 has a combat bonus early in war.
Once the bonus is gone and the groups have 30-50 percent untrained pilots Japan will not win any protracted air campaign and the Betty/Nell stop scoring hits on moving TF and strikes against targets with CAP lose much of their effectivness making the defense of Japanese bases that much more difficult.
But in terms of pure numbers of aircraft Japan can put up there will never be a decline before Allied bombing hits aircraft or engine production. Try the 1944/45 scenarios to see how fast Japanese pools decline.
Will Japan be able to keep up with loss in this game? Not after 1943. Losing 100 aircraft to score 1 hit on a single transport makes it pointless to try. 10 USN CV will put up 150+ fighter CAP and 150+ escorts for their strikes. Japan even with good pilots can't stop this.
Check the USN ship arrival list to see how long before the USN has 10 Essex class.
Add 6 months to this time to arrive at date when it will be apparent Japan has lost this game.

USe the intell screen "sunk ships" to count lost ships. Just sort and count by type.

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Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 8:53:39 PM   
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Day Air attack on Kuala Lumpur , at 23,46

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 33
Ki-48 Lily x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
23 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
D3A Val x 4
Ki-27 Nate x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 14
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
8 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Ki-27 Nate attacking at 100 feet
3 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132
Not much of a cap left in Auckland but they shot down a handful of Betties.

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 74

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 14 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 14 destroyed, 14 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 9
I-16c x 11
SB-2c x 8


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
5 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Mixed Brigade, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 2
I-16c x 2
SB-2c x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
B-17E Fortress x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Isonami
AK Onoe Maru, Bomb hits 1
AK Nagato Maru
AK Nitiran Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Ryuun Maru, on fire
AK Tokusima Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Bataan , at 42,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 10
B-17E Fortress x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Onoe Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Belgium Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Tuyama Maru
AK Nagato Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 192782 troops, 2050 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 188184 troops, 1121 guns, 77 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kuching
Vital port/airfield at Kuching taken. Java is next.


Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11251 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3495 troops, 12 guns, 4 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuching base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
1879 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Chungking
IJA force at Chungking now 225K strong.


Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 131669 troops, 1052 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 226683 troops, 2262 guns, 310 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Auckland
Stalemate at Auckland continues.


Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40327 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 45696 troops, 420 guns, 65 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4490 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7351 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported








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TF 1023 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)
Take that Tuna!


Allied Ships
SS Tuna, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Kuala Lumpur , at 23,46
Resources of Malay now almost completely destroyed. Let the stravation begin.


Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 31
Ki-48 Lily x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged

Resources hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
18 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 48
Ki-46-II Dinah x 8

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
24 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 14000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
After three days of bad weather, the clouds break over Luzon and Clark Field is hammered again by three big strikes.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
D3A Val x 4
Ki-27 Nate x 26
Ki-51 Sonia x 7
Ki-48 Lily x 15
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 5 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 12 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-27 Nate attacking at 100 feet
8 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-27 Nate attacking at 100 feet
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49
Ki-21 Sally x 53

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 5 destroyed, 23 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
G3M Nell x 48
Ki-21 Sally x 32

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
G3M Nell: 20 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 88

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
27 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Derby , at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 8

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 9
I-16c x 9
SB-2c x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-16c x 2
SB-2c x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,35


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 3
Blenheim IV x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 7
E7K2 Alf x 7
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-51 Sonia x 15
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged



Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
4 x E7K2 Alf bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
B-17E Fortress x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nitiran Maru
AK Durban Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Isonami
AK Onoe Maru
AK Ryuun Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 22,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
CW-21B Demon x 2
Brewster 339D x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 21 destroyed, 2 damaged


Allied Ships
PT TM-8
PT TM-9
PT TM-15

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56
Two ships had to be scuttled..


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 11
B-17E Fortress x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Turuga Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Nitiran Maru, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AK Tatuno Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sakito Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 193182 troops, 2070 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 188597 troops, 1129 guns, 76 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 132086 troops, 1058 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 227092 troops, 2281 guns, 312 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40372 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 45750 troops, 422 guns, 65 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4510 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7419 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles

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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:16:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi The Japanese bombed Kuala Lumpur ? Have you bombed the oil center at Palembang yet to prevent the Allies from hauling oil to OZ?
(Patrol planes and the Dutch transports can fly more supply to Singapore then KL will provide. Centers stop producing when enemy unit is in the same hex. (Why the forward Chinese supply centers cannot be held in long term struggle)

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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:23:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi The Japanese bombed Kuala Lumpur ? Have you bombed the oil center at Palembang yet to prevent the Allies from hauling oil to OZ?
(Patrol planes and the Dutch transports can fly more supply to Singapore then KL will provide. Centers stop producing when enemy unit is in the same hex. (Why the forward Chinese supply centers cannot be held in long term struggle)

I am confused by this. Maybe I should go back and read the whole thread, but why would Japan bomb oil centers it intends to capture? Don't I want these intact to supply oil once I capture them? Am I missing something?

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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:23:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi The Japanese bombed Kuala Lumpur ? Have you bombed the oil center at Palembang yet to prevent the Allies from hauling oil to OZ?
(Patrol planes and the Dutch transports can fly more supply to Singapore then KL will provide. Centers stop producing when enemy unit is in the same hex. (Why the forward Chinese supply centers cannot be held in long term struggle)


No, I will need that oil. I've got enough resources though for a good long while. On supply planes I've got a lot of experience with them already. Dutch transports will not be able to ship that much supply. Plus there won't be any Dutch transports after Java and Sumatra are invaded. Singapore will be totally cutoff and then they can starve.

Do you mean to say Chungking will starve very soon since it is no longer producing resources? How long do you think this will take?

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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:32:28 PM   
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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:50:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Singapore has over 100,000 supply at the moment and the british are dug in all over the place. I have moved over 400,000 oil points between Oz and India.

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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 9:52:21 PM   
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RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 10:37:28 PM   
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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34
The AVG has been placed at Rangoon.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
G4M1 Betty x 26
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 32
Ki-51 Sonia x 27
Ki-48 Lily x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
P-40B Tomahawk x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 13 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 14 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 17 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 12 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 7 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 13 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed, 14 damaged
Blenheim IV: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 17
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar attacking at 100 feet
10 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuala Lumpur , at 23,46
It appears resources will not go down to 0 no matter how much they are bombed.


Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 25
Ki-48 Lily x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Resources hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 4000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 51
Ki-21 Sally x 28

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 11 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 30

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
16 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 8


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Soyo Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,131


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Jintsu

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,131
KB goes for three days without flights due to Weather God.


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 16
Hudson I x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 15 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 4
BB Hyuga, Torpedo hits 1
BB Ise, Bomb hits 2
CA Chikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
2 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 193539 troops, 2085 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 189140 troops, 1137 guns, 77 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 132494 troops, 1065 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 227462 troops, 2297 guns, 310 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 43,40
Japenese force at Wuchow is now cutoff. Don't understand the rules regarding movement though.


Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31976 troops, 266 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 596 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 275 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 40456 troops, 363 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 45927 troops, 427 guns, 67 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4530 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7496 troops, 53 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported










AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/23/42


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Naval Gun Fire at Auckland (63,132) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Bombardment force fails to bombard.


23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Nachi, Shell hits 8
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 4
CA Furutaka
CA Chikuma
BB Ise, Shell hits 2


Allied ground losses:
322 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

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ASW attack near Dutch Harbor at 103,36
Another sub at Dutch Harbor damaged.

Japanese Ships
MSW Toshi Maru #5
MSW Chitose Maru
MSW Yoshino Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #8
MSW Tamozono Maru #2
MSW Tamozono Maru #1
MSW Sonobe Maru
MSW Misago Maru #11
MSW Keinan Maru
MSW Fukeui Maru #7
MSW Fuji Maru
MSW Choyo Maru #2

Allied Ships
SS Grayback, hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Kodiak, at 108,34 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Numakaze
DD Natsugumo
DD Shigure
BB Fuso
DD Sazanami
DD Fubuki
DD Minegumo
CL Tama
CA Atago


Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Mersing , at 23,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 29
Ki-21 Sally x 55
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

No Japanese losses

Resources hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49
Ki-21 Sally x 20

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
16 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51
Clark Field is shut down.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
G3M Nell x 33
Ki-21 Sally x 32

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
G3M Nell: 3 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 72

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
20 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
14 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 34th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 3
I-16c x 3
SB-2c x 9


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 39th Division, at 43,32


Allied aircraft
I-153c x 7
I-16c x 7
SB-2c x 10


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 8
Hudson I x 4
Beaufort V-IX x 3


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 7 damaged
Hudson I: 4 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 1
BB Hyuga
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 2
BB Ise

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x Hudson I bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 23


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed, 18 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
CL Tatsuta
CL Kinu
BB Yamato

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132
KB finally strikes Auckland.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 47
D3A Val x 62
B5N Kate x 56

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
D3A Val: 6 damaged
B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 5 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 10 destroyed, 13 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 57
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
21 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
20 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 3


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 13


Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CA Kinugasa
CA Chikuma
BB Yamato

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
2 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
1 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
3 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Dutch Harbor at 103,36
A6M3 now operational.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
A6M3 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Shinko Maru #2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59
Dtuch shipping under increasing pressure in the Java Sea.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
G3M Nell x 4

Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 6
CW-21B Demon x 9
Brewster 339D x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 4 destroyed
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Empire Trust

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 194118 troops, 2102 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 189613 troops, 1140 guns, 77 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking
IJA force at Chungking now numbers 250K.


Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 133124 troops, 1067 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 249630 troops, 2572 guns, 313 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
162 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 39879 troops, 348 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 46136 troops, 432 guns, 68 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4465 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7518 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles

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Post #: 236
RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 10:40:41 PM   
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Sembawang naval base was a target on December 8th. It's very possible that the PH attack could have been delayed two hours to allow a surprise attack on Singapore. Even without a delay it's possible ships may have been sunk nonetheless. The thing is historically there was bad weather over Singapore.


Yes, as was Singapore proper, but they were night level "bombing" attacks and they were tracked by radar miles out and were NO surprise. I personally dont have a problem with "level" or "dive" bombing attacks on any ports. Just cant agree with carte blanche torpedo attacks in protected ports (especially by multi-engine LBs) and accross the board surprise. Both Singapore and the PI as oppose to PH were on "HIGH ALERT", both locations Tracked incoming raids prior to attack, in fact USAFFE tracked, scrambled and vectored fighters to intercept a IJN probing flight the day before the PH attack. The incredible circumstances that caught the planes at Clark not withstanding, I doubt very much any surprise to the degree at PH was possible at Singapore or PI, IMHO.

Regards

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Post #: 237
RE: Sorry, No Dice - 10/11/2004 10:45:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT

Yes, as was Singapore proper, but they were night level "bombing" attacks and they were tracked by radar miles out and were NO surprise. I personally dont have a problem with "level" or "dive" bombing attacks on any ports. Just cant agree with carte blanche torpedo attacks in protected ports (especially by multi-engine LBs) and accross the board surprise. Both Singapore and the PI as oppose to PH were on "HIGH ALERT", both locations Tracked incoming raids prior to attack, in fact USAFFE tracked, scrambled and vectored fighters to intercept a IJN probing flight the day before the PH attack. The incredible circumstances that caught the planes at Clark not withstanding, I doubt very much any surprise to the degree at PH was possible at Singapore or PI, IMHO.

Regards


This should be factored into the base defenses to give a protection bonus. It may very well be, I haven't looked at the Manila or Singapore base forces to check. I know some of the Japanese BFs have a sound detactor, not sure what it does though.

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Post #: 238
RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/11/2004 10:49:25 PM   
WiTP_Dude


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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, If Chunking is cut off from supply moving from bases in rear then it will run out of supply. I cannot predict since I do not know how many units are present. You can interpolate just by checking your supply requirements there.


There isn't a whole lot of supply up that way anyway. Without Chungking it is not going to be enough to feed all those hungry Chinese.

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Post #: 239
RE: Borneo almost secured - 10/12/2004 12:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/24/42

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Coastal Guns at Auckland, 63,132, firing at TF 55
TF 55 troops unloading over beach at Auckland, 63,132


158 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK Columbia Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Ayo Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Amakasu Maru #1, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
220 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

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Naval bombardment of Auckland, at 63,132 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
5 BBs, 5 CAs & 6 CLs and this is all that I get? I've seen Nates on airfield attack do more damage.

Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
CL Sendai
CA Nachi
BB Hyuga
CL Natori
CL Tatsuta
CA Kumano
BB Nagato
BB Haruna
DD Amagiri
DD Yugumo
CL Tenryu
CL Kinu
CL Jintsu
CA Kinugasa
DD Wakatake
BB Yamato
DD Hayabusa
DD Hasu
DD Tsuga
DD Kasumi
DD Tokitsukaze
CA Furutaka
CA Chikuma
BB Ise, Shell hits 5


Allied ground losses:
343 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 17

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Coastal Guns at Auckland, 63,132, firing at TF 55
TF 55 troops unloading over beach at Auckland, 63,132


24 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Wuchow , at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Johore Bahru , at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 8
Hurricane II x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged


Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Singkawang , at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 23
Ki-48 Lily x 12

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged


Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132
Auckland airfield is hurting.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45
D3A Val x 58
B5N Kate x 57

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 11 destroyed, 8 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 4 destroyed
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Coast Farmer, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 51
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
21 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
20 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64
Easy way to earn kills and experience.


Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
T.IVa: 10 destroyed

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ASW attack at 57,44

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 23
PC Ch 22
PC Ch 21
PG Tamo Maru #7
PG Tamo Maru #6
PG Takunan Maru #8

Allied Ships
SS Sailfish


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Ground combat at Chungking
Disappointing results. The siege continues.


Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 246336 troops, 2573 guns, 312 vehicles

Defending force 190205 troops, 1142 guns, 77 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6)


Japanese ground losses:
15960 casualties reported
Guns lost 431
Vehicles lost 25

Allied ground losses:
2335 casualties reported
Guns lost 34


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Ground combat at 44,30

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19994 troops, 249 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2648 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 62 to 1



Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at 46,36

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 32886 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 99535 troops, 773 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
171 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Auckland

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44277 troops, 462 guns, 29 vehicles

Defending force 74935 troops, 564 guns, 20 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
300 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 131992 troops, 992 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 228198 troops, 1962 guns, 286 vehicles



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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61471 troops, 543 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 49168 troops, 506 guns, 110 vehicles



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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4515 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7525 troops, 55 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported









AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/42


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Coastal Guns at Auckland, 63,132, firing at TF 55
TF 55 troops unloading over beach at Auckland, 63,132
Reinforcements have arrived.

76 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Juko Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

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Night Air attack on Brisbane , at 46,114

Japanese aircraft
H8K Emily x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x H8K Emily bombing at 1000 feet
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Coastal Guns at Auckland, 63,132, firing at TF 55
TF 55 troops unloading over beach at Auckland, 63,132


15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AK Manko Maru

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Day Air attack on Singkawang , at 25,57

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 23
Ki-48 Lily x 6

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 destroyed
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 29,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 4
Blenheim IV x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 4 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Myoko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
SBD Dauntless x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Astuga Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Juko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Banjarmasin at 27,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD APD-36

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,42

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AO Pecos

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-49 Helen x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 6
P-40B Tomahawk x 12
P-40E Warhawk x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Montgomery City, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on Auckland , at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
D3A Val x 61
B5N Kate x 54

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 12 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed, 13 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Coast Farmer, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 62

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
21 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B5N Kate bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Auckland at 63,132

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF, near Batavia at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 4
CW-21B Demon x 9
Brewster 339D x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
CW-21B Demon: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Boero

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4224 troops, 145 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 188197 troops, 1080 guns, 77 vehicles



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Ground combat at 46,36

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 32901 troops, 436 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 99413 troops, 766 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Auckland

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44506 troops, 466 guns, 29 vehicles

Defending force 74731 troops, 567 guns, 22 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 132681 troops, 1010 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 229016 troops, 1989 guns, 287 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
107 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Auckland

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61501 troops, 549 guns, 18 vehicles

Defending force 49736 troops, 523 guns, 110 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kodiak

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4515 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7511 troops, 54 guns, 0 vehicles

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