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Something Strange.. #7 - 11/1/2004 7:01:33 AM   
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What's this thingie?




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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 7:35:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		It looks a lot like Isreal's new tank the Merkava (Chariot). But I know it can't be

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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 7:52:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a good association. The Merkava also has the extremely angled armor.

I think that the Merkava the entire armor is very angled; in this one, the external shield is in fact thin and hollow, and has the form (from the top view) of an ovoid. It intends only to defeat shaped charges.

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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 8:11:43 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 8:54:36 AM   
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That thing has 300mm turret armor... the Tiger had 100mm... wow!

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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 10:10:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing was specifically designed for charging across the mutilated landscape very soon after a nuclear blast. That armor is there to protect the crew from the radiation first of all.

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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 11:47:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Been there, done that knocked on the hull. It was designed for floatation in the Priapet Marshes. There is a hollow sheet metal shell on the front, sides and rear so she would float. Went to Kubinka in 1997 and got to play with the tanks there. Shot 18 rolls of film in the process. Unfortunately the photos are all with my wife in NZ.

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RE: Something Strange.. #5 - 11/1/2004 7:39:10 PM   
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Went to Kubinka in 1997 and got to play with the tanks there. Shot 18 rolls of film in the process.


Lucky one!! :)

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/1/2004 8:02:16 PM   
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A hint... this is NOT a tank or a self-propelled gun!

Another hint... yeah, that thing HAS tracks.. :)




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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/1/2004 8:04:08 PM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 12:22:20 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 12:48:31 AM   
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By the way, i thought someone had id'd the gun.

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 2:18:43 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 2:35:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has a gun and tracks, but is not a self propelled gun. Maybe it is a tractor, pulls the gun up onto a bed for transport, for use the tractor deposits the gun to set up for firing.

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 2:53:56 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 3:03:13 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 3:07:22 AM   
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Another hint: it is French.

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 3:10:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fbastos

Much smaller than 12"; can't tell the exact caliber, otherwise would be too easy.

Another hint: it is French.

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I am sooo off this topic. I dont even have any more WAGs. I could say something disparaging about the French, but thats about it.

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 3:14:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe it was a test platform of some sort? I know there was some work on using artillery instead of rockets for research in the atmosphere.

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RE: Something Strange.. #6 - 11/2/2004 3:24:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		194mm Canon GPF (Gran Puissance Filloux) sur Chenilles.

This is the regular 194mm GPF gun on a tracked carriage built by St Chamond. The carriage had two electric engines, but no power source; the power came from the towing tracked vehicle, through a cable.

It had a version on 155mm, one on 194mm, and another which I couldn't find the caliber. Only a few were produced, and some were captured by the Germans as the 19.4cm Kanone 485(f) GPF.

The Soviets have something very similar on the 152mm Br-2, 203mm B-4, 280mm Br-5 guns, but these didn't have any internal motor, and had completely passive tracked carriages.

I got the cookie!! Tanksome almost got it!

PS: This is the Soviet 152mm Br-2 gun




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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 3:32:18 AM   
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This one is VERY easy! :)

The cookie goes to who can tell how is the bullet that this thingie shoots!




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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 4:51:10 AM   
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Not sure what you mean in your question - I would imagine it (the bullet(s)) is/are flattened on one side and quite distorted after going through the deflector

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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 4:59:48 AM   
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Not really; Rheinmettal was nevertheless involved with the gun above.

Regarding the bullet: you see, a regular bullet will not go through the curve on the barrel, specially if it is turning at several thousand rpms from the rifling. It would get stuck.

A curved barrel requires a special bullet, which can negotiate the curve and also get the spin it needs for stabilization.

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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:08:30 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:12:45 AM   
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It has a spherical bullet with grooves for spinning on the rifling! Because it is spherical, the weapon loses much of its range.

Now, which weapon is that?

It's one of the most important guns ever designed!

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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:15:16 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:19:00 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:21:06 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:21:56 AM   
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RE: Something Strange.. #7 - 11/2/2004 5:24:18 AM   
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On late 1942, Hitler got upset with Goring for pushing the FG-42 project just to compete with the Army, so he ordered all development on rifles to be suspended. It so happened that the excellent MKb 42(H), then under design, was caught by that. The engineers continued it under the name "MP 43", to work around Hitler's orders, saying that it wasn't a type of a rifle, but a type of a pistol.

The generated the MP 44, and when Hitler realized the potential for the weapon, he renamed it StG 44, and reclassified it as Assault Rifle.

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