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fbastos -> Something Strange.. #7 (11/1/2004 7:01:33 AM)

With the original thread stuck with the gun that nobody have identified yet, continuing with an easier picture on a new thread! :)

What's this thingie?

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Embark -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 7:35:33 AM)

It looks a lot like Isreal's new tank the Merkava (Chariot). But I know it can't be



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 7:52:57 AM)

That's a good association. The Merkava also has the extremely angled armor.

I think that the Merkava the entire armor is very angled; in this one, the external shield is in fact thin and hollow, and has the form (from the top view) of an ovoid. It intends only to defeat shaped charges.

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MadmanRick -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 8:11:43 AM)

Soviet Obiek 279 Troyanov super heavy tank from 1957. Kubinka has one preserved.

Rick



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 8:54:36 AM)

Madman got a cookie! Yay!

That thing has 300mm turret armor... the Tiger had 100mm... wow!

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b5n -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 10:10:55 AM)

The thing was specifically designed for charging across the mutilated landscape very soon after a nuclear blast. That armor is there to protect the crew from the radiation first of all.



Desertmole -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 11:47:47 AM)

Been there, done that knocked on the hull. It was designed for floatation in the Priapet Marshes. There is a hollow sheet metal shell on the front, sides and rear so she would float. [:D] Went to Kubinka in 1997 and got to play with the tanks there. Shot 18 rolls of film in the process. Unfortunately the photos are all with my wife in NZ.[:(]



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #5 (11/1/2004 7:39:10 PM)

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Went to Kubinka in 1997 and got to play with the tanks there. Shot 18 rolls of film in the process.


Lucky one!! :)

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fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/1/2004 8:02:16 PM)

Thingie #6....

A hint... this is NOT a tank or a self-propelled gun!

Another hint... yeah, that thing HAS tracks.. :)

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String -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/1/2004 8:04:08 PM)

atomic annie? [:D]



tanksone -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 12:22:20 AM)

looks like a french WWI artillery piece. Remember seeing somthing like it at the army testing grounds in Maryland.[:)]



rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 12:48:31 AM)

A mobile crane?

By the way, i thought someone had id'd the gun.



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 2:18:43 AM)

Not crane.. that thing has a gun on it! :)

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Belce -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 2:35:54 AM)

It has a gun and tracks, but is not a self propelled gun. Maybe it is a tractor, pulls the gun up onto a bed for transport, for use the tractor deposits the gun to set up for firing.



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 2:53:56 AM)

A better picture of this guy...

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Onime No Kyo -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 3:03:13 AM)

So its a gun, 12"? Non-SP?



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 3:07:22 AM)

Much smaller than 12"; can't tell the exact caliber, otherwise would be too easy.

Another hint: it is French.

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Onime No Kyo -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 3:10:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fbastos

Much smaller than 12"; can't tell the exact caliber, otherwise would be too easy.

Another hint: it is French.

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I am sooo off this topic. I dont even have any more WAGs. I could say something disparaging about the French, but thats about it. [:D]



Belce -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 3:14:40 AM)

Maybe it was a test platform of some sort? I know there was some work on using artillery instead of rockets for research in the atmosphere.



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #6 (11/2/2004 3:24:02 AM)

194mm Canon GPF (Gran Puissance Filloux) sur Chenilles.

This is the regular 194mm GPF gun on a tracked carriage built by St Chamond. The carriage had two electric engines, but no power source; the power came from the towing tracked vehicle, through a cable.

It had a version on 155mm, one on 194mm, and another which I couldn't find the caliber. Only a few were produced, and some were captured by the Germans as the 19.4cm Kanone 485(f) GPF.

The Soviets have something very similar on the 152mm Br-2, 203mm B-4, 280mm Br-5 guns, but these didn't have any internal motor, and had completely passive tracked carriages.

I got the cookie!! [:D] Tanksome almost got it!

PS: This is the Soviet 152mm Br-2 gun

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fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 3:32:18 AM)

Thingie #7

This one is VERY easy! :)

The cookie goes to who can tell how is the bullet that this thingie shoots! [:D]

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rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 4:51:10 AM)

Rhinemetall (EMG-55?) around the corner gun, made for tankers?

Not sure what you mean in your question - I would imagine it (the bullet(s)) is/are flattened on one side and quite distorted after going through the deflector



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 4:59:48 AM)

EMG-55? From Cyberpunk 2020?

Not really; Rheinmettal was nevertheless involved with the gun above.

Regarding the bullet: you see, a regular bullet will not go through the curve on the barrel, specially if it is turning at several thousand rpms from the rifling. It would get stuck.

A curved barrel requires a special bullet, which can negotiate the curve and also get the spin it needs for stabilization.

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Mynok -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:08:30 AM)

Is the bullet round, i.e. a musket ball?



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:12:45 AM)

A cookie to Mynok! Well done! [:D]

It has a spherical bullet with grooves for spinning on the rifling! Because it is spherical, the weapon loses much of its range.

Now, which weapon is that?

It's one of the most important guns ever designed!

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tabpub -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:15:16 AM)

MP 44



Belce -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:19:00 AM)

Its done with a short shot and deflection.



Belce -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:21:06 AM)

http://collections.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.988



Mynok -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:21:56 AM)

My wife says that too......



fbastos -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:24:18 AM)

And Tabpub gets a cookie!! :)

On late 1942, Hitler got upset with Goring for pushing the FG-42 project just to compete with the Army, so he ordered all development on rifles to be suspended. It so happened that the excellent MKb 42(H), then under design, was caught by that. The engineers continued it under the name "MP 43", to work around Hitler's orders, saying that it wasn't a type of a rifle, but a type of a pistol.

The generated the MP 44, and when Hitler realized the potential for the weapon, he renamed it StG 44, and reclassified it as Assault Rifle.

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