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rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 5:53:29 AM)
Name this Gizmo... OK - turnabout being fair play, try naming this gizmo: [image]local://upfiles/7543/Xu624642927.jpg[/image] Bonus points for the location of this picture!

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 3:35:48 PM)
Well, no nibbles after almost 12 hours, I'll give a hint or two: 1. It is an electronic gizmo; 2. The Aussie's called this class of gizmos DOOVER(S) through at least most of the war. 3. It is not a weapon in that it doesn't shoot bullets, etc. in of itself, but, then again, it sure makes things much more effective when you try to do such things.

String -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 4:32:23 PM)
Used for guiding aircraft to their targets?

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/2/2004 4:42:43 PM)
In this case, no, but the nation that developed the device in the picture above probably COULD have used it later in the war for that purpose. They had not worked out the system of using this device yet. It was just beyond experimental in this particular case. This Gizmo could have been a major factor early in the war, but the country that developed this Gizmo didn't take it all that seriously - much to their regret later...

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 4:12:50 AM)
Well, still no real guesses but String is/was on the right track... Some more hints: 1. it is not a USA gizmo. 2. It is not in the European Theater of Operations. 3. It is not an electronic billboard sign.[:'(]

Sredni -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 4:34:55 AM)
It looks like an early radar array but beyond that I have no clue.

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 4:48:59 AM)
Early ugly radar is correct - as far as it goes. Any ideas which country's radar?

Mynok -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 5:25:20 AM)
Total WAG, but anything that butt-ugly has to be Russian. Plus, the terrain around it looks like steppe.

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 6:25:51 AM)
Nope - not a bad try - Ruskis did try developing radar, but Stalin had purged too may technicians and scientists to get to really operational stuff on their own. This set was operational. Not Russian. Also not steppe. Climate is much wetter. Also, the landscape has not as much vegatation in this picture as was in the surrounding terrain because it had been torn up by construction troops and equipment (more clues). I will also say - not Italian, not Swiss, not Australian, not South African, not British, not Dutch, not French. This should narrow down the country! [:D]

String -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 7:46:47 AM)
I wonder... german? :D

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 3:36:09 PM)
No- not German (not in European Theater of Operations) - also not in Africa, South America, North America, Antarctica, and never made it to Australia (although it came close to Australia)... [:D]

String -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 3:48:38 PM)
um.. NZ then?

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 3:51:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: String um.. NZ then? Nooo... OK - how about not Allied.

Twotribes -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 3:53:16 PM)
Must be Japanese

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 3:59:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twotribes Must be Japanese Yea! Half a cookie to Twotribes! [:D] Now - what kind, and where? Clue - this is the first time the Allies ran into this Gizmo (they were VERY surprised when they did). Another clue - it was before Jan 1, 1943.

Twotribes -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 4:13:46 PM)
Well that doent leave many places, either Guadalcanal or New Guine

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 4:35:24 PM)
OK - so do, you want to try to guess where? And maybe what?

rhondabrwn -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 5:27:08 PM)
I would guess that it was deployed in the Solomon islands, perhaps to defend Rabaul? Wild guess (for the moment) I'm researching Japanese radar now.

rhondabrwn -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 5:36:22 PM)
I'm guessing it must be a Type 11 radar as the other, later, Japanese radars were all mobile. Type 11 Became Operational: June 1943 War Status: used operationally in war Installed: ground shore fixed Purpose: anti-air Wavelength: 300 cm Peak Output: 40 kw Transmitter: parallel two wire Receiver: UN-954 Detector: RE-3 Detected: aircraft, group at 250 km, single at 130 km Weight: 8700 kg Number Built: 30 Antennae: dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use Source: http://www.combinedfleet.com/radar.htm

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/3/2004 6:50:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn I'm guessing it must be a Type 11 radar as the other, later, Japanese radars were all mobile. Type 11 Became Operational: June 1943 War Status: used operationally in war Installed: ground shore fixed Purpose: anti-air Wavelength: 300 cm Peak Output: 40 kw Transmitter: parallel two wire Receiver: UN-954 Detector: RE-3 Detected: aircraft, group at 250 km, single at 130 km Weight: 8700 kg Number Built: 30 Antennae: dipole array with mat type reflector, send and receive separate use Source: http://www.combinedfleet.com/radar.htm Well... I think you got it. Unforfortunately, the Combined Fleet site does not list this radar the same way my reference does. Thanx for the URL! You get the cookie! [:)] This is a Japanese Navy 3m Fixed Air Warning Radar model 1 mark 1. It was one of two captured at Guadalcanal in August 1942 when the Marines took Henderson Field. The radar experts were stunned at this discovery. I was surprised myself, as I think I've read about 10 books on Guadalcanal, and I don't remember them mentioning anything like this. I think the Combined Fleet site Type 11 actually means type 1 model 1. The size and frequency are the same. The reference I have says that it was 5 kw power, and also says it was operational before June 1943. The Allied fleet pulled out after the Battle of Savo Island, and the radar sets (SCR270's) did not get landed, so the US troops tried to run these two beasts. I don't think they succeeded, though, as the same source says that Guadalcanal didn't have radar coverage until some time later.

rhondabrwn -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/5/2004 12:14:55 AM)
Hmmm.... cookie..... munch munch munch [;)]

rtrapasso -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/5/2004 12:24:33 AM)
Actually, you get another cookie for guessing the site - Solomons (Guadalcanal). So enjoy your cookie! Guaranteed non-fattening! [:D]

Hornblower -> RE: Something Strange.. #7 (11/5/2004 7:26:42 AM)
Interesting. I never knew. nice post

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