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Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 4:49:46 AM

CMDRMCTOAST

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Tutorial test

I was testing a PT engagement 1 hex away from port and
my task force reacted to the PT's that just arrived at the base
and wound up engaged with an endless supply of them until my
entire fleet was sunk.

The PT task force was made up of 6 boats total 3 hexes from the port
and react set to 6 with the IJN task force between them and the base
the boats engaged in the base, all were sunk by endless PT boat
reinforcements.

never seen anything like it.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/28/44

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-20
PT PT-235
PT PT-382
PT PT-450, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT PT-478, Shell hits 43, and is sunk
PT PT-484, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-23
PT PT-24
PT PT-25
PT PT-133, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT PT-374, Shell hits 33, and is sunk
PT PT-483

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-26
PT PT-64
PT PT-300
PT PT-455
PT PT-481, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
PT PT-550, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-27
PT PT-29
PT PT-40
PT PT-42, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
PT PT-475, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PT PT-528, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-45
PT PT-46
PT PT-168
PT PT-264
PT PT-315, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PT PT-333

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-47, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT PT-310
PT PT-311
PT PT-452
PT PT-466, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT PT-551, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-62
PT PT-131
PT PT-338
PT PT-376, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT PT-454, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT PT-524

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tamanami
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-63
PT PT-65
PT PT-132
PT PT-305
PT PT-313, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
PT PT-469

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 3
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-66
PT PT-73
PT PT-77
PT PT-129
PT PT-249, Shell hits 90, and is sunk
PT PT-462, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Urakaze
DD Hatsushimo
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-79, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-105
PT PT-106
PT PT-334
PT PT-383
PT PT-472

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami
CL Oi, Shell hits 1
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Satsuki, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
PT PT-107
PT PT-108
PT PT-124
PT PT-306
PT PT-332
PT PT-460

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 7
CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Oi
DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo, on fire
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-125
PT PT-126, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-137
PT PT-322
PT PT-335
PT PT-476

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Urakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satsuki, Shell hits 6

Allied Ships
PT PT-128
PT PT-130
PT PT-163
PT PT-238
PT PT-381
PT PT-527

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi
DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-134
PT PT-138
PT PT-167
PT PT-314
PT PT-463
PT PT-470

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi
DD Tamanami, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Hatsushimo, and is sunk
DD Satsuki, on fire

Allied Ships
PT PT-169
PT PT-170
PT PT-236
PT PT-237, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PT PT-465, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PT PT-529

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Satsuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-248
PT PT-250
PT PT-261
PT PT-262, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-341
PT PT-343

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi, on fire
DD Satsuki, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT PT-263
PT PT-301
PT PT-304
PT PT-307
PT PT-321
PT PT-526

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi, on fire

Allied Ships
PT PT-308
PT PT-320
PT PT-340
PT PT-377
PT PT-480
PT PT-486, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, on fire
CL Oi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT PT-309
PT PT-493
PT PT-525
PT PT-531, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT PT-545
PT PT-548

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-312
PT PT-323
PT PT-324
PT PT-325
PT PT-522, Shell hits 1, on fire
PT PT-547

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-342
PT PT-360
PT PT-361
PT PT-373
PT PT-530, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
PT PT-532

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT PT-362
PT PT-363
PT PT-372
PT PT-468
PT PT-482
PT PT-496, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
PT PT-451
PT PT-453
PT PT-461
PT PT-485, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT PT-535
PT PT-544

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 5:25:30 AM

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You've heard of Factory Ships? Apparently you encountered at PT Boat Factory Ship...

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 6:16:42 AM

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I have yet to encounter anything like that. But that is why the PT boat is the ultimate weapon in WITP. Basically immune to air attack unless your opponent manually places his aircraft on naval strike at 100' and starts some serious praying that both no enemy fighters show up and that the a/c actually go after the PT boats and not some BB ship TF.

I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 6:30:23 AM

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If you play the Mariana's scenario you can see the same thing. The US has around 140 PT's in that scenario. Put them in 4-6 boat TF's, and you get a lot of attacks against enemy TF's crazy enough go after the base they're at.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 6:57:11 AM

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quote:

I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes.

It looks like all the IJN ships took one or more torps here...

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:00:14 AM

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So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original
task force they will still form task forces and attack?
There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port
all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into
task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo
and sunk. LOL

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:02:39 AM

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That's funny but sad. Hope they keep fixing these weird things as theycrop up.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:06:30 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

quote:

I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes.

It looks like all the IJN ships took one or more torps here...

They all took multiple torps at one point.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:26:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST

So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original
task force they will still form task forces and attack?
There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port
all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into
task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo
and sunk. LOL

I seem to recall that PT boats are supposed to automatically form TFs when they base they are at is attacked. So, yes, it looks like the program worked as designed.

Now, whether a hundred and forty PT Boats should be able to sink nine cruisers and destroyers is a discussion I will leave for others.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:27:08 AM

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It is ok for us to have PT's and the totaly wacked/unhistoric efectiveness they offer in the game, but we cant have the handfull of midgets Japan had for fear they might actualy torpedo somthing.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 7:33:42 AM

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Don't show Zeta16 this or I will never capture Manilla from him.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 8:14:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dtravel

quote:

ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST

So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original
task force they will still form task forces and attack?
There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port
all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into
task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo
and sunk. LOL

I seem to recall that PT boats are supposed to automatically form TFs when they base they are at is attacked. So, yes, it looks like the program worked as designed.

Now, whether a hundred and forty PT Boats should be able to sink nine cruisers and destroyers is a discussion I will leave for others.

But the idea is flawed because the naval combat system can't cope with the programmed intent. The concept of a 60 mile hex is so distorted depending on the situation. Here ya got multiple TFs ALL intercepting another TF in a 60 milke hex BUT during naval combat ships in THE SAME TF are inexplicably (aside from "it's a 60 mile hex") unavailable. There is no consistency at all.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 8:17:25 AM

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SINCE YOU ARE Using the tutorial, check out the ASW and tell me it's not flawed. Put all subs in hexes with enemy TFs and run a turn or two. All the subs except for a few USN will be on the sunk ship list.

< Message edited by Ron Saueracker -- 11/29/2004 2:57:45 AM >

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 9:08:52 AM

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Broken record, Ron.

Not only that, but I've seen you use the exact same words in other posts so I know you're cutting and pasting it from some file you have somewhere.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 9:57:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: dtravel

Broken record, Ron.

Not only that, but I've seen you use the exact same words in other posts so I know you're cutting and pasting it from some file you have somewhere.

Nope. Need a new mouse because right button is wonkyand can't cut and paste in this situation. Just posted it so often it is a natural reflex!

All true though.

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RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? - 11/29/2004 2:41:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Halsey

If you play the Mariana's scenario you can see the same thing. The US has around 140 PT's in that scenario. Put them in 4-6 boat TF's, and you get a lot of attacks against enemy TF's crazy enough go after the base they're at.

That looks kinda familiar to me somehow.....

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