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CMDRMCTOAST -> Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 4:49:46 AM)
Tutorial test I was testing a PT engagement 1 hex away from port and my task force reacted to the PT's that just arrived at the base and wound up engaged with an endless supply of them until my entire fleet was sunk. The PT task force was made up of 6 boats total 3 hexes from the port and react set to 6 with the IJN task force between them and the base the boats engaged in the base, all were sunk by endless PT boat reinforcements. never seen anything like it. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/28/44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-20 PT PT-235 PT PT-382 PT PT-450, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-478, Shell hits 43, and is sunk PT PT-484, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-23 PT PT-24 PT PT-25 PT PT-133, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-374, Shell hits 33, and is sunk PT PT-483 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1 DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-26 PT PT-64 PT PT-300 PT PT-455 PT PT-481, Shell hits 23, and is sunk PT PT-550, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 1 DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-27 PT PT-29 PT PT-40 PT PT-42, Shell hits 21, and is sunk PT PT-475, Shell hits 9, and is sunk PT PT-528, Shell hits 5, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-45 PT PT-46 PT PT-168 PT PT-264 PT PT-315, Shell hits 14, and is sunk PT PT-333 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-47, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-310 PT PT-311 PT PT-452 PT PT-466, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-551, Shell hits 7, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-62 PT PT-131 PT PT-338 PT PT-376, Shell hits 7, and is sunk PT PT-454, Shell hits 6, and is sunk PT PT-524 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-63 PT PT-65 PT PT-132 PT PT-305 PT PT-313, Shell hits 15, and is sunk PT PT-469 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage DD Tamanami, Shell hits 3 DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-66 PT PT-73 PT PT-77 PT PT-129 PT PT-249, Shell hits 90, and is sunk PT PT-462, Shell hits 6, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsuzuki, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Urakaze DD Hatsushimo DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-79, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-105 PT PT-106 PT PT-334 PT PT-383 PT PT-472 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami CL Oi, Shell hits 1 DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 8, and is sunk DD Tamanami, Shell hits 5, on fire DD Urakaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 3, on fire DD Satsuki, Shell hits 2 Allied Ships PT PT-107 PT PT-108 PT PT-124 PT PT-306 PT PT-332 PT PT-460 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 7 CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage DD Urakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, on fire DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-125 PT PT-126, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-137 PT PT-322 PT PT-335 PT PT-476 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage DD Urakaze, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage DD Satsuki, Shell hits 6 Allied Ships PT PT-128 PT PT-130 PT PT-163 PT PT-238 PT PT-381 PT PT-527 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, on fire, heavy damage DD Hatsushimo, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage DD Satsuki Allied Ships PT PT-134 PT PT-138 PT PT-167 PT PT-314 PT PT-463 PT PT-470 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi DD Tamanami, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk DD Hatsushimo, and is sunk DD Satsuki, on fire Allied Ships PT PT-169 PT PT-170 PT PT-236 PT PT-237, Shell hits 9, and is sunk PT PT-465, Shell hits 14, and is sunk PT PT-529 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Satsuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-248 PT PT-250 PT PT-261 PT PT-262, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-341 PT PT-343 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, on fire DD Satsuki, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-263 PT PT-301 PT PT-304 PT PT-307 PT PT-321 PT PT-526 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed F1M2 Pete: 2 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Takao, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, on fire Allied Ships PT PT-308 PT PT-320 PT PT-340 PT PT-377 PT PT-480 PT PT-486, Shell hits 1, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, on fire CL Oi, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-309 PT PT-493 PT PT-525 PT PT-531, Shell hits 6, and is sunk PT PT-545 PT PT-548 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-312 PT PT-323 PT PT-324 PT PT-325 PT PT-522, Shell hits 1, on fire PT PT-547 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-342 PT PT-360 PT PT-361 PT PT-373 PT PT-530, Shell hits 3, and is sunk PT PT-532 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships PT PT-362 PT PT-363 PT PT-372 PT PT-468 PT PT-482 PT PT-496, Shell hits 18, and is sunk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74 Japanese aircraft no flights Japanese aircraft losses E13A1 Jake: 5 destroyed Japanese Ships CA Mogami, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk Allied Ships PT PT-451 PT PT-453 PT PT-461 PT PT-485, Shell hits 4, and is sunk PT PT-535 PT PT-544

rtrapasso -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 5:25:30 AM)
You've heard of Factory Ships? Apparently you encountered at PT Boat Factory Ship...[:D]

2ndACR -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 6:16:42 AM)
I have yet to encounter anything like that. But that is why the PT boat is the ultimate weapon in WITP. Basically immune to air attack unless your opponent manually places his aircraft on naval strike at 100' and starts some serious praying that both no enemy fighters show up and that the a/c actually go after the PT boats and not some BB ship TF. I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes.

Halsey -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 6:30:23 AM)
If you play the Mariana's scenario you can see the same thing. The US has around 140 PT's in that scenario. Put them in 4-6 boat TF's, and you get a lot of attacks against enemy TF's crazy enough go after the base they're at.[:D]

rtrapasso -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 6:57:11 AM)
quote: I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes. It looks like all the IJN ships took one or more torps here...

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:00:14 AM)
So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original task force they will still form task forces and attack? There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo and sunk. LOL

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:02:39 AM)
That's funny but sad. Hope they keep fixing these weird things as theycrop up.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:06:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rtrapasso quote: I love how a few .50 holes manage to sink a destroyer. Yet a destroyer can absorb a ton of 8" shells and stay afloat sometimes. It looks like all the IJN ships took one or more torps here... They all took multiple torps at one point.

dtravel -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:26:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original task force they will still form task forces and attack? There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo and sunk. LOL I seem to recall that PT boats are supposed to automatically form TFs when they base they are at is attacked. So, yes, it looks like the program worked as designed. Now, whether a hundred and forty PT Boats should be able to sink nine cruisers and destroyers is a discussion I will leave for others. [:D]

Brady -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:27:08 AM)
It is ok for us to have PT's and the totaly wacked/unhistoric efectiveness they offer in the game, but we cant have the handfull of midgets Japan had for fear they might actualy torpedo somthing.

CMDRMCTOAST -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 7:33:42 AM)
Don't show Zeta16 this or I will never capture Manilla from him.[:D]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 8:14:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dtravel quote: ORIGINAL: CMDRMCTOAST So even if all the PT'S are disbanded except the 6 in the original task force they will still form task forces and attack? There were BB'S, CA'S, CL'S, and numerous DD'S in that port all disbanded like the PT'S were and yet the PT'S formed into task forces of 6 ships apiece and attacked until the Japs were out of ammo and sunk. LOL I seem to recall that PT boats are supposed to automatically form TFs when they base they are at is attacked. So, yes, it looks like the program worked as designed. Now, whether a hundred and forty PT Boats should be able to sink nine cruisers and destroyers is a discussion I will leave for others. [:D] But the idea is flawed because the naval combat system can't cope with the programmed intent. The concept of a 60 mile hex is so distorted depending on the situation. Here ya got multiple TFs ALL intercepting another TF in a 60 milke hex BUT during naval combat ships in THE SAME TF are inexplicably (aside from "it's a 60 mile hex") unavailable. There is no consistency at all.

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 8:17:25 AM)
SINCE YOU ARE Using the tutorial, check out the ASW and tell me it's not flawed. Put all subs in hexes with enemy TFs and run a turn or two. All the subs except for a few USN will be on the sunk ship list.

dtravel -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 9:08:52 AM)
Broken record, Ron. [8\|] Not only that, but I've seen you use the exact same words in other posts so I know you're cutting and pasting it from some file you have somewhere. [:'(]

Ron Saueracker -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 9:57:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dtravel Broken record, Ron. [8\|] Not only that, but I've seen you use the exact same words in other posts so I know you're cutting and pasting it from some file you have somewhere. [:'(] Nope. Need a new mouse because right button is wonkyand can't cut and paste in this situation. Just posted it so often it is a natural reflex![:D] All true though.

tsimmonds -> RE: Anybody encounter an endless attack by pt's? (11/29/2004 2:41:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Halsey If you play the Mariana's scenario you can see the same thing. The US has around 140 PT's in that scenario. Put them in 4-6 boat TF's, and you get a lot of attacks against enemy TF's crazy enough go after the base they're at.[:D] That looks kinda familiar to me somehow.....[:'(]

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