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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 6:58:03 AM

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Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:32:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mike Tremblay

Yes, so his roving Carrier TF's have some BIG juicy targets to hit

Yeah, there is that problem too.

Luckily there isn't going to be too many long distance trips at this point. It is doubtful if Zeta will even bother with the Solomons, Gilberts, Marshalls, and Carolines. He is probably heading straight for the Marianas or the Philippines.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:40:11 AM

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The Japs are approaching 40,000 points in the bag. It's just a guess, but I think you will need around 150,000 points in the end to get the automatic victory.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:40:45 AM

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I don't know where I am headed yet. I am looking at intel to figure that out

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:42:58 AM

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Do you save all the signal reports and compile them into useful data? They would probably work better that way.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:43:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: WiTP_Dude

The Japs are approaching 40,000 points in the bag. It's just a guess, but I think you will need around 150,000 points in the end to get the automatic victory.

I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:45:32 AM

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Do you save all the signal reports and compile them into useful data? They would probably work better that way.

I don't copy the file. I made a thing with all the bases that come up in the intel and made a chart and check it each turn to see if anything new comes up. the best thing is when it tells me what units are on what ships and where they are headed

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:46:11 AM

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I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops.

You can ship them if you want at the last minute. I don't care, as long as I can link up with the Germans in Iran.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 7:50:51 AM

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I have a few surprises in India. You may take the bases, but I don't think you will get all of the troops.

You can ship them if you want at the last minute. I don't care, as long as I can link up with the Germans in Iran.

In real life the troops would just fall back towards Iran and I guess the British by this point in the war would send more troops there.
That is the thing in Siberia the Russians would not have quit at Isturk, they would have just blown the rail lines behind them and moved closer to mid USSR and more troops. But I understand that this is a game and we have to live with these things

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 10:51:48 AM

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That is the thing in Siberia the Russians would not have quit at Isturk, they would have just blown the rail lines behind them and moved closer to mid USSR and more troops. But I understand that this is a game and we have to live with these things

In real life, I suspect Stalin would have found more troops amd the Russians would be counting Japanese corpses in Korea. I was surprised how easily the Japanese took out the Russians.
What tanks did the Russians have??
Also given total air superiority at Irkutsk, the Russians shouldn't have gone down that easily too. Air attack against troops engaged in attacking operations should IMHO cause more casualties.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 2:00:12 PM

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Ground combat at Midway
Allies gain control of Midway after brutal four week fight.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 79194 troops, 603 guns, 93 vehicles

Defending force 13760 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Midway base !!!

Any of you military history buffs out there want to give me a few examples of atolls that took 4 weeks to capture?

BTW - what was the record for the most Allied ships hit/damaged/sunk by land-based artillary in any invasion in the Pacific, atoll or island?

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 2:21:49 PM

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Shouldn't this AAR be setting alarm bells ringing? It's like a demolition derby with no limits. The game is just not capable of emulating realistic pace of operations.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:40:03 PM

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The increased pace of operation is partially due to game mechanics that could be improved (e.g. rail movement). But much of it is due to players' lack of caution. This is a problem in *every* wargame. Players are going to be more reckless and less patient than their historical counterparts. When your landing at New Zealand fails in WITP only us geeks who read the AAR care, but if such a debacle happened in real life there would, of course, be dire consquences.

The fact that this is a *game* and not real life is a very big reason for the pace of operations.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 3:43:55 PM

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The increased pace of operation is partially due to game mechanics that could be improved (e.g. rail movement). But much of it is due to players' lack of caution. This is a problem in *every* wargame. Players are going to be more reckless and less patient than their historical counterparts. When your landing at New Zealand fails in WITP only us geeks who read the AAR care, but if such a debacle happened in real life there would, of course, be dire consquences.

The fact that this is a *game* and not real life is a very big reason for the pace of operations.

It would be cool that if a major debacle happened, the game relieves you of command in that theatre, and only a huge penalty payment of PPs could buy back the theatre from the AI. Considering just how popular the AI is with us, this would be a major deterrent for careless and reckless endeavours.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 10:32:58 PM

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Four weeks for an atoll isn't wrong given there was no pre-invasion bombing campaign of any sort. Look at this way- you either spend four weeks bombarding the place with air strikes and naval attacks or you spend four weeks fighting on the ground.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/22/2004 11:46:05 PM

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Four weeks for an atoll isn't wrong given there was no pre-invasion bombing campaign of any sort. Look at this way- you either spend four weeks bombarding the place with air strikes and naval attacks or you spend four weeks fighting on the ground.

The thing is I can not get planes there except carriers. When I used carriers to port attack they did very poor. I am afraid of taking PH becasue I am attacking with a lot of heavy bombers and medium and they are not getting many hits, even with high exp. I feel more comfortable in landing on Islands that are not atolls. I have the schock attack. I had my units for Midway at 100 readiness and not taking it on the first turn means you have to wait a long time to take the place. Also my bombardment seems real poor. I had several battleships and they seemed not to do much.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 1:07:17 AM

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Ignore all non-cruical locations (including PH). Hit him where it hurts (resources,oil,production). If you look closely there are several nice locations you can take from which you can base heavy bombers.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 1:15:56 AM

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The only reason to take PH is becasue it is a huge point swing. I am looking at bases all over the place. The problem still is the amount of Ap's and LST I have at the moment. There never seems to be enough and they take a ton of damage in the landings, even with a bunch of Ca's and Cl's in the landing force.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 2:37:16 AM

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The only reason to take PH is becasue it is a huge point swing. I am looking at bases all over the place. The problem still is the amount of Ap's and LST I have at the moment. There never seems to be enough and they take a ton of damage in the landings, even with a bunch of Ca's and Cl's in the landing force.

What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 3:41:17 AM

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What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days.

You've made several assumptions that aren't really true:

1. Improved artillery performance will help the Chinese.

The Japanese have better artillery than the Chinese. This probably would have caused Chungking to fall sooner than it did rather than later. So I don't know how Zeta would still own China if artillery performance was improved. If anything the Japanese heavy artillery would knock bunches of Chinese units out and rapidly reduce their fighting strength.

2. Land-based artillery destroys ships too easily.

Where are you getting the idea that land based artillery destroyed ships at Midway? There was a base force there with 24 big coastal guns located there. This is what likely caused the sinkings. The invasions that occured at other atolls without these kind of coastal guns usually didn't have many ships sunk. Look at Kona for example.

3. Bombardments aren't neccessary - look at Tarawa.

Tarawa only had 2600 SNLF troops and probably less than level 9 fortifications. Midway in this occasion had two Guard units and one SNLF unit - perhaps the equivalent of 10000 SNLF troops. Not to mention level 9 fortifications and coastal guns.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 3:51:58 AM

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What you are facing is that ship and plane bombardments are ineffectual versus land-based artillary against ships. If the land-based artillary was as effective against LCUs as it is against ships you would still own China and Siberia. Look at the reports on the invasions of Tawara, for instance - they didn't do a month's worth of bombardments, they hit it and landed, and the land-based artillary was toast almost immediately. Sure, the machine gun nests ate up a lot of the initial landing forces, but it was still taken in 3 days.

You've made several assumptions that aren't really true:

1. Improved artillery performance will help the Chinese.

The Japanese have better artillery than the Chinese. This probably would have caused Chungking to fall sooner than it did rather than later. So I don't know how Zeta would still own China if artillery performance was improved. If anything the Japanese heavy artillery would knock bunches of Chinese units out and rapidly reduce their fighting strength.

2. Land-based artillery destroys ships too easily.

Where are you getting the idea that land based artillery destroyed ships at Midway? There was a base force there with 24 big coastal guns located there. This is what likely caused the sinkings. The invasions that occured at other atolls without these kind of coastal guns usually didn't have many ships sunk. Look at Kona for example.

3. Bombardments aren't neccessary - look at Tarawa.

Tarawa only had 2600 SNLF troops and probably less than level 9 fortifications. Midway in this occasion had two Guard units and one SNLF unit - perhaps the equivalent of 10000 SNLF troops. Not to mention level 9 fortifications and coastal guns.

he right about the guns in China. When I play as the japanese I see the Chinese guns hurt me a whole lot more than the japanese guns, this is not right is it. Bombardments are neccessary but I do not think that they do much at least for me.

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Ineffective Naval bombardment - 12/23/2004 1:37:20 PM

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I find that naval bombardments are much more effective if you have bumped the DL up by flying Recon missions over the target base beforehand. If you have no land-based Recon planes to hand just use the floatplanes on the cruisers and battleships ...

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 4:07:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names.

oh god.. did you really count all those AP's and AK's by hand?

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RE: Ineffective Naval bombardment - 12/23/2004 4:08:27 PM

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I find that naval bombardments are much more effective if you have bumped the DL up by flying Recon missions over the target base beforehand. If you have no land-based Recon planes to hand just use the floatplanes on the cruisers and battleships ...

which would be quite logical. I mean you ain't gonna do much damage if you're gonna land all of those shells at the local golf course..

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/23/2004 8:16:44 PM

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Finally I count the ship loses by type, they my be a little off. It gets hard looking at the names.

oh god.. did you really count all those AP's and AK's by hand?

Yep, it's get hard to do, the names start looking the same.

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/27/2004 11:08:19 PM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/20/43
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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78
Small night airfield attack.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 15
Ki-49 Helen x 18

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
17 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 3
Wellington III x 62
P-40E Warhawk x 7

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 100

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Day Air attack on Ledo , at 36,25

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 99

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 135

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
F6F Hellcat x 9
PBY Catalina x 2
B-25J Mitchell x 30
PB4Y Liberator x 35
B-24D Liberator x 26

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Port hits 13
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 16
Liberator VI x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 6
Brewster 339D x 5
Wellington III x 44

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 3
Martin 139 x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,75

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
Kittyhawk I x 3

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 24

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 6
Martin 139 x 4
B-17E Fortress x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
Avenger II x 5
Kittyhawk I x 23
Kittyhawk III x 3
Hudson I x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AK Aobasan Maru, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74
These are my worst Zeros.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
D3A Val x 45

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
Kittyhawk I x 34
Kittyhawk III x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 76 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A Val: 28 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Abigail Adams, Bomb hits 1
AK Arided
AK Crater
AK Cassiopeia
AK Christopher Greenup
AK Draco, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Diomed, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Silksworth, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Midway

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 90283 troops, 753 guns, 86 vehicles

Defending force 7201 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 34 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/21/43

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ASW attack at 55,69

Japanese Ships
AP Huso Maru
DD Kikuzuki

Allied Ships
SS S-34

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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 5
Ki-48 Lily x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 8000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 8000 feet
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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 39

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 3
Wellington III x 51
P-40E Warhawk x 9

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 32

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Day Air attack on Ledo , at 36,25

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 100

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 119

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 11
P-40E Warhawk x 15
B-17E Fortress x 18
PB4Y Liberator x 42

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 79

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 14
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 14
Liberator VI x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 7th Ind. Brigade, at 36,24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 6
Vengeance I x 25

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 36,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 10
Beaufighter VIC x 8

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 30th Division, at 42,75

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 12
Kittyhawk I x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Armored Div , at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 10

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
D3A Val x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
Kittyhawk I x 32
Kittyhawk III x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed
D3A Val: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Charles H. Windham

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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74
I don't know why the Betties flew without an escort.

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 20
G4M2 Betty x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
Kittyhawk I x 32
Kittyhawk III x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 33 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 17 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Appanoose
AK Prince Georges

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Day Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 42,74

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
D3A Val x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
Kittyhawk I x 32
Kittyhawk III x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
D3A Val: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

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Ground combat at Midway
Japanese on Midway finished.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 91114 troops, 766 guns, 88 vehicles

Defending force 6976 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 63 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
8019 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/28/2004 3:37:58 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/24/43

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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 38

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Sub attack at 25,50
Allied sub sinks near Singapore.

Japanese Ships
ML Tsugaru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
ML Niizaki
ML Saishu

Allied Ships
SS Trident, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73
Allies begin attacking Amboina.

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
A6M3 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
Hellcat II x 22
F4U-1 Corsair x 20
SBD Dauntless x 16
TBF Avenger x 13
Kittyhawk I x 47
Kittyhawk III x 4
Hudson I x 15
Beaufort V-IX x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 29 destroyed, 3 damaged
D3A Val: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 15

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 27
Martin 139 x 14
Hudson I x 27
B-26B Marauder x 30
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24J Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 9 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 103

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 13
B-17E Fortress x 12
PB4Y Liberator x 37

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 11
Runway hits 94

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Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 36,24

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 5

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Martin 139 x 9
B-17E Fortress x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 20th Mixed Brigade, at 35,24

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 6
Hudson I x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 7th Ind. Brigade, at 35,24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 11
Vengeance I x 25
Blenheim IV x 10
Wellington III x 7
Hudson I x 25

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
14 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
10 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Jorhat
More Japanese have arrived in the India area of operations.

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65969 troops, 564 guns, 1450 vehicles

Defending force 30748 troops, 336 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
783 casualties reported
Guns lost 31

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/25/43

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TF 24 encounters mine field at Palau (52,67)

Japanese Ships
MSW Toshi Maru #2
MSW Hinode Maru #20
AP Kikuryu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 50,46

Japanese Ships
AK Tokuwa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Redfin

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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 55

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 7 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
B-17E Fortress x 17
PB4Y Liberator x 37

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 10
Runway hits 80

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Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 21
Liberator VI x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 20

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/28/2004 5:23:04 AM

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Were you two observing a Christmas Truce

Merry Christmas

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RE: Midway Falls - 12/28/2004 7:46:22 AM

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/28/43

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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 47

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed, 16 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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TF 1097 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Sagittarius, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 12
Beaufighter VIC x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 20th Mixed Brigade, at 35,24

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 14
Vengeance I x 22
Blenheim IV x 9
Wellington III x 9
Hudson I x 20

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Blenheim IV bombing at 6000 feet
8 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 21

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 62nd Division, at 36,24

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Jorhat

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 66061 troops, 565 guns, 1451 vehicles

Defending force 40096 troops, 205 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
778 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/29/43

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Night Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 48

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 8000 feet
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Naval bombardment of Sorong, at 42,74
The Kongo and several cruisers bombard Sorong again.

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 18 destroyed, 45 damaged
Avenger II: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
TBF Avenger: 7 destroyed, 9 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 21 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 7 destroyed, 13 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 9 destroyed, 12 damaged
F4U-1 Corsair: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged
PBY Catalina: 9 destroyed, 4 damaged
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Naganami
DD Hatsuzuki
CL Sendai
CL Oyodo
CA Kumano
CA Haguro
CA Chokai
CA Tone
BB Kongo

Allied ground losses:
4258 casualties reported
Guns lost 65
Vehicles lost 30

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 95

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Day Air attack on 20th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 14
Beaufighter VIC x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Vengeance I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 33,25

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 18
Liberator VI x 10

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 6
Brewster 339D x 5

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Brewster 339D bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Division, at 33,26

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 9
Martin 139 x 7
B-17E Fortress x 11

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
7 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 64th Naval Guard Unit, at 113,68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 21

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6
PBY Catalina x 1

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 1 damaged

Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Jorhat

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 66086 troops, 562 guns, 1451 vehicles

Defending force 30807 troops, 371 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
270 casualties reported
Guns lost 26

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Victory - 12/28/2004 9:38:46 AM

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Hi, Required victory ratios are 4-1 in 43 3-1 in 44 and 2-1 in 45/46. So if Japan has 40k points the Allies need 160k in 43, 120k in 44 and 80k in 45/46
Of course the Allies can reduce the Japanese total while adding to their own by taking bases.

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