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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/5/2005 9:25:37 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Cut out all this defeatist talk ......I dont give up on India yet.

Not being able to see the map makes itr tricky but a last stand in the North is not out of the question.

OK it will hurt but you will have the full might of the Indian Army in one base supported by every engineer in India and a million tons of supplies.

Wobb may get bombed and bombarded back to the stone age but I dont think this fight is over yet.

1 Aus Divison
2 UK Divisions plus at least 1 Indian Division behind level 9 forts in perfect supply with every engineer in India not to mentiion 3 Armoured Bdes and anything else he can salvage.

wobb can hold they must hold !!!!!

More troops are coming more aircraft are arriving. How long can PZB keep his might in India ?

2 months 3 at most then he will have to divert.

This fight aint over yet...

The key thing that wobb must do is get as many units back to the north in as much good order as he can and delay delay delay.

I have every confidence that wobb will make him pay for his temerity in daring to invade India

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/5/2005 9:26:34 PM   
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If PzB can win the game by taking India, then Pzb can ignore losses of Oil/Resource centers.

The only thing PzB might not be able to ignore is air attacks on his supply ships feeding the troops in India.

If PzB has enough supplies on hand in India, even that goes out the window.

I don't take it as a given that any reaction/reserves sent to defend Java MUST come from the Indian Expeditionary Forces. He might have reserves in China, for example.

Wobby's in a better position to judge this.

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 4:31:28 AM   
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Seems to me his supply lines must be extremely thin and brittle. He must be sending the lot via Singapore. And the tempo of operations is high, even though you've lost of a lot of supplies, he must be carrying fuel to this vast array of warships he's got in India.

If you started chewing up Java and I was him, while faced with a seemingly stout defence at the very western end of India, surely it must be one hell of a distraction, and thats what you need right now.

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 6:56:59 AM   
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Wobbly -

In retrospect, what do you feel that you could have done differently to blunt the threat to India?

- Bring more troops and/or planes in earlier?
- Pull back from Burma earlier?
- Send US carriers there earlier?
- Other ideas?

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 4:06:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

Seems to me his supply lines must be extremely thin and brittle. He must be sending the lot via Singapore. And the tempo of operations is high, even though you've lost of a lot of supplies, he must be carrying fuel to this vast array of warships he's got in India.

If you started chewing up Java and I was him, while faced with a seemingly stout defence at the very western end of India, surely it must be one hell of a distraction, and thats what you need right now.


I agree on the supply lines, and his shipping lanes must be pretty thin. Perhaps a good opportunity for your subs to put on a hurting? As for Java i can see the logic, but am unsure how many assets i would commit. Also, don't recall seeing if you hold Timor or not, if not, i would think that would have to be taken to prevent the DEI's version of the Italian Navy haveing to run past malta to supply North Africa. excellent AAR..

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 5:32:21 PM   
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I do believe that this AAR provides an excellent argument for bringing those nine Chinese 'Divisions' pre-set for "Southeast Asia" straight to India at the start of the war, and abandoning Burma to the Japanese.

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 7:16:17 PM   
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To win an auto-victory, doesn't Japan have to hold onto its point advantage until January 1, 1943? If so, Wobbly's got six months to scrape his way out of auto-victory, even if PzB gets to 4:1.

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/6/2005 8:33:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Grotius

To win an auto-victory, doesn't Japan have to hold onto its point advantage until January 1, 1943? If so, Wobbly's got six months to scrape his way out of auto-victory, even if PzB gets to 4:1.



We just might find out how the autovictory is triggered with this AAR.

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/7/2005 1:05:55 AM   
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Don't forget guys it isnt that long until 25th Indian and the three Chindit Bdes arrive also doesnt another UK Bde arrives at Columbo soon.

So 7 more fresh Bdes are due to arrive soon that can go straight into a defensive line either south of Karachi or at Karachi itself plus the three Aussie Bgdes of the 2nd Australian so 10 fresh brigades plus the divisional artillary complements of the brigade strength Indian Divisions at start and every unit that can withdraw from the south.

Wobb just needs to not get to many troops cut off and he can still hold India (I may be being over optimistic as I cannot see the map).

I think hes doing the right thing a slow fighting withdrawal trying to get as many units out as he can.

I still think Ahmabad/ Delhi line with a strong garrison in Karachi and an airbase at the base outside of Karachi is best.

Wobb if you get time whats the fort level/ and airbase level in the Northern bases at the moment ?

Andy

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RE: Naval battle at karachi - 1/7/2005 1:12:12 AM   
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Its a wonder that Wobbly can even think out a turn with all the question I and others ask. Not to mention updating the AAR with his turn. Wobbly for your continued gift of your time, we thank you..

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Back from the South - 1/7/2005 1:46:21 AM   
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This really has sparked up a good discussion session.

I am back at home now and as such have been able to do 3 turns.

Within these here are the higlights:

Operation Nighthawk is a success. Tarawa is taken. A sqd of Wildcats and Tomahawks now flies above the island and the damage done by me preparatory bombardments is being cleared away.

The units for the - wherever invasion - are making their way across the Coral sea. At present PzB has been able to scout them! He wonders where I will strike in the Solomons I think. To promote this thinking I have ordered a large bombardment of the Lae airfields by 100 fortresses and 50 warhawks - that is quite a commitment. However half of the forts don't fly and the Warhawks only manage to coordinate with 3 of their numbers. Fortuantely the zeros only destroy one bomber and damge 5 others. They go again this turn.

India is still going appallingly - he is really trying to outflank me now - straight up the Western coast. Panaji is not going to hold at all long. I have units on the road to stop the easy taking of Bombay and my tank units are rushing back from Calcutta. I made two errors here. First I aimed at Lucknow and the AI decided to try and take the rail line to get there - in other words East - it can't go that way as Japs hold the line. I waste two turns as the units have to turn around. Secondly I had a unit on the crossroads to the east of Calcutta. It was effectively bottling all of the units in Calcutta where they were - I moved it back to Asansol and now he is free to move. They are marching in good order though. The defenders of Calcutta should make it back to the North but the units in Burma are going to have to scurry.

In the North many ships have now put to sea while others - holding the Oz 2nd - make landfall. I have managed to get the whole lot safely into Karachi - a marvellous coup, if only I could have managed another Division or two!

Hermes manages to offload her wildcats and P-40s. Unfortunately PzB times an air attack on Columbo for the turn of arrival and I loose 8 of the precious aircraft on the field.

The Chinese at Wuchow are out of their depth. With his rail movement he can easily make it to the points I am trying to counter attack from and deny me. I will have to retreat again - but at least I am not going away - he must have to think twice before moving the units away. It is dawning on me though that I need to use the WHOLE chinese army if I want to attack somewhere.

At sea I manage to find and sink another 2 jap subs and one of my subs actually fires its torpedos! It sinks a ML worth 1 point - woohoo!

OK then, on to the Javanese problem. I was very worried about the speed at which I would be able to retreat in India since he has tried to outflank me on the rail network. Really I have moved quite quickly though. So it may be possible to hold in India - especially now with the addition of the Aussies.

All of the other locations floated as possible landing zones just don't appeal in the level to worry him. If I am truthful to myself I come to the conclusion that an attack on Java will not make him take units from India. He will find them from elsewhere. The difference is he may stop reinforcing. As Andy has stated, I now have 3 Divisions and 2 Bridages of a fourth Division that should be able to defend the front in Northern India. Included in this will be 2 Large tank units and one small - possibly a third large tank unit if I can keep the road to Lucknow open long enough. Along with this are 6 Indian Regiments, 2 Malay and 3 Burmese Regiments. With these forces are the all important engineers - about 8 units of them - and the other base unit sundries. In or around India there will be about 2000 assault points for defense. Of these I may be able to get about 1500 back behind the lines. I think he has about 12 divisions in India with a total attack capacity of about 4000. Maybe a bit more. This means I only really need to defend in places with as little as size 2 or 3 forts. This should be easily accomplished with all those engineers.

The difference is in airpower and Naval bombardments. Here he can thump me, and in truth it is these guys and further ground reinforcements that I am trying to draw off. If he isn't effectively suppressing me with those aircraft then the forts will be rebuilt and he will never get through. Plus if I then hold Java, the divisions that take it may be on their way to India. He will be forced to worry about the south of India as another chance for me to open a front. The KB will stay in the Indian Ocean and that opens opportunites later for locations in the Pacific.

I am not kidding myself that this is going to be easy. But I am of the opinion that I will be bringing enough to the party that he may not be able to move fast enough to stop me. Then we are into attrition mode and that works to my advantage.

I don't think he can afford to disregard Java - it is just too close to his breadbasket.

Timor - well I am planning on taking the Western base and another further up the chain. I would be very surprised if the more northerly has any defense at all. Timor does. An RCT should be plenty here though.

Supplies. Unfortunately he has taken the Indian bases with masses of supplies. Trim had over 100K for instance. He may be a little short on fuel though. If so taking Java adds more problems to his plate.

I know I have changed my mind on a few operations but I think Java is a go. This last turn he did not manage to catch glimpses of the transport fleets. I don't know what that will mean to him. I think I may make a transport fleet and move it up the Northern side of the Solomons just before I invade Java to heighten his interest as well.

Andy - with the addition of the Aussies I am still holding on to a little hope. Yes there are some Chindit brigades in about 30 days and another Brigade in Columbo at the same time. Forts in the North are a little poor. Karachi is level 9, Bombay 7, Ahmadabad 1 (this is the location I want to halt him - all engineers are heading here), Dehli 4, places North no better.

Hornblower - It is a pleasure to write something that others are interested in. You also all add some very good points. I should get better at cutting pictures to give you a better idea. Today both PzB and I are at home and are therefore cranking out a few turns. I will try to remember to get you a picture of India from the next one.

Thayne - all chinese divisions under the Asian command are now in Burma - they have the job of holding the place.

ADavidB - in retrospect I think I should have moved the units that retreat out of the Phillipines and DEI north not south (as I did). American reinforcements are far easier to get to Oz than India. I could have sent the carriers in to hamper his operations. In truth though - and as most Allied players will attest - only your carriers can really be relied upon to be able to do their alloted job EXCEPT when they come up against the KB; then it is anyone's guess. The Japs start with such good land based air that they can continue to advance under its protection. If I had lost my carriers in those early months I would have been in the poo (now of course I am contemplating loosing them in the Javanese endevour - I suppose when you are against a wall you have to start using all your cards). Definately the retreat from Burma should have been undertaken earlier. I just had enough of loosing troops being cut off and there would have been 3 units to suffer that fate (after the fall of Rangoon).

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RE: Back from the South - 1/7/2005 5:00:53 AM   
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Another heavy raid from PM into Lae. He continues to hit the Panaji base with static BBs.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/29/42

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Naval bombardment of Panaji, at 17,14 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

56 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
BB Hyuga
BB Fuso, Shell hits 8
BB Nagato, Shell hits 5
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 4
BB Haruna
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

These BBs, very low on ammo, continue to hit the Panaji base. He is waiting on the base

to be taken and then will reload to travel north. I have a little surprise for these guys

-weather permitting - in the next turn.
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Day Air attack on Calcutta , at 29,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-48 Lily x 27

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 75

He continues a very heavy attack on the few units I have left at Calcutta. These number 5

INdian Brigades. I have to time things correctly as there are units between me and

Jamshedpur now. I don't want my Indian Brigades cut off.
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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 16
B-25C Mitchell x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed


Runway hits 7

At last I manage to get some of the planes he has based at Koepang. These Dinahs have

been sat there for some time.
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 76

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 46
Port supply hits 2

A very large attack on Lae is easily repaired according to PzB. Well he can get the spades out again because I sending them again!
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This turn my Brit carriers are going to try and hit his bombarding BBs. They are in range and I hope I can put a few fish into the buggers. I don't know if it will come off as I have had bombers set to Naval strike for some time in range of the bombers and they have not flown. I can't remember if there was bad weather but I haven't even got airborne. There is of course no absolute that the weather will clear for the attack to go in but there you go.

Going to our map you can see that I am in a bit of strife around Calcutta and Asansol. I want to delay his moves forward as much as I can but I don't want him to be able to get in behind me too far as I wont be bale to retreat. I also want to make pockets of powerful resistance so that I can repel his leading echelons if they get too advanced.

Most dangerous is the unit at asansol. One more up the line and I can't use the rail lines any more. I was thinkg of retiring to Lucknow and then coming back down the line and attempting to blast out his single blocking unit. I don't know if I will have enoug time to do this or not.

He has some pretty powerful units in Asansol now anyway and I may not be able to get there before it falls.

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Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/7/2005 10:03:34 PM   
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Well lovers of fine wine and poor allied commandership - you will be enraptured by this turn. All those who were cheering for my cause, I think you need to back another horse! My Brit carriers get into range of his BBs only to find his carriers. His land forces go ballistic, only PM air attacks are a bright light.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/30/42

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Day Air attack on Calcutta , at 29,23

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
Ki-21 Sally x 49
Ki-48 Lily x 34

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 134

He continues very powerful attacks on Calcutta. I think I will defend here for one more day.
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 27
B-17E Fortress x 60

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 13 destroyed, 4 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Hashidate, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 37
Port hits 1

THe B-17s have done good work but now half the force is damaged. They maanged to kill 8 zeros on the ground today. All groups retire to mainland Oz while I bring up Mitchells and Beauforts to continue the work.
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 44,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 22
Ki-48 Lily x 28
Ki-49 Helen x 16
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

His air in China is now working over my units at Wuchow who are currently retreating.
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Day Air attack on 1st Malaya Brigade, at 31,21

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 31

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

He also starts to hit Asansol to prep for ground attacks.
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 16
Swordfish x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 18 destroyed, 2 damaged
Swordfish: 20 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba, Bomb hits 1

My cariers find his at range 5 to the north. I was in perfect range to hit his BBs but not his carriers. Only 1 bomb hits and it bounces.
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Day Air attack on TF at 15,10

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 10 destroyed, 6 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Formidable

He then comes at me with unescorted bombers. On a few occasions my fighters manage to maul the incoming raids but there aren't enough to stop them.
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Day Air attack on TF at 15,10

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 22
B5N Kate x 22

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 23 destroyed, 4 damaged
B5N Kate: 14 destroyed, 15 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Formidable, Bomb hits 1
CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,10

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 18

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 11 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Formidable, Bomb hits 2

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,10

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 11

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged


Allied Ships
CV Formidable
CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,10

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
G4M1 Betty x 8

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Illustrious, on fire, heavy damage

Illustrious is lost. Formidable lives up to her namesake, despite wearing 3 bombs she is at 1 sys damge. The 250kg bombs just bounce! It is the blasted Kates that oyu have to worry about - isn't it always! So my Carrier is running WSW - and the TF can run at full speed. Thunderstorms abound again, but they did last turn, so I can't rely on them at all.
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Ground combat at Calcutta

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 52896 troops, 266 guns, 144 vehicles

Defending force 22972 troops, 128 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)


Japanese ground losses:
530 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
223 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Calcutta is still as strong as an Ox and here I am having to give her up. THere is nothing for it though, a Stalingrad would seal my demise.
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Ground combat at Hyderabad

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 73427 troops, 803 guns, 27 vehicles

Defending force 12772 troops, 162 guns, 5 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hyderabad base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
299 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
386 casualties reported
Guns lost 28
Vehicles lost 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Very unfortunate this one - first strike and I am out. He does have a very powerful force here. It remains to be seen which way he goes. If he comes East that actually suit me more than if goes North. Knowing PzB he wont dance to my tune.
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Ground combat at Asansol

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 42696 troops, 255 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 14262 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
337 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

He gets 1-1 on his first try. Only the forts can help. I have set up heavy bombers from Lucknow to try and supress the combat units, but he will be doing the same. Next turn (if there is another) He will LRCAP and Asansol will fall. With it falling the troops trying to get out of Burma will be cut off unable to join their compatriots in the North. What I may try is to defend at Jamshedpur for as long as I can and fly units across from Dimapur. THey will all be bitsas but better than nothing.
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Ground combat at Panaji

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20550 troops, 204 guns, 4 vehicles

Defending force 2698 troops, 29 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 45 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Panaji base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 7 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

This one I expected - it was guarded by nothing essentially - and he has been hitting the meagre troops there with BBs for turns now. The 7 Fulmars came off the Illustrious and instantly go into the bag.

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To those of you following this and hoping for an Allied turn around, I am sorry for this turn. The thinking was to try and damage the BBs which will make the holding of Karachi so difficult. I also never saw his Carriers - they weren't far off the coast and yet they are not scouted. WitP is crueller but probably more realistic that way. The only silver linings I can find are that yet again (despite loosing a carrier) I actually destroyed more of his aircraft this turn than he did mine, and that the masses of transports he has now scouted to the north may not be such an alluring target with the Brit Carriers out there.

Those transports now scatter. We are going to enter a period of heavy allied shipping losses as his carriers get amongst my fleet. His subs and surface vessels will no doubt join in - something like whales in the krill.

On the land I have to start coordinating my retreat. I desparately want more of the troops in Burma to get back across, like the tank Brigade that just made it to the rail line. To do this I must have luck in holding Asansol. At 1-1 odds already, it is very unlikely. My aussies, travelling to Asansol, and who should have been there last turn, now decide to move off the rail network into the jungle to the north. Man the AI trail finding is poor. I know PzB has been battling with it but it really does seem to choose some awful routes at times. Because of this one move it is likely that the Asussies will either be lost or out of the defensive effort - great.

The terribly damaged BBs at Diamond Harbour sortie - they just cannot make it out, but I am willing to try for the sake of 10 points. The Warspite has now made good progress between Ceylon and Andaman Island. Again the carriers appearence to the North may actually help here, his planes at Chandpur and Dacca are likely to be set to hit my ground troops.

Lunga gets a group of Marauders and they are slated to hit shortlands. I can't really keep this up as the base unit only has 30 support. I have 100 ACs there at the moment! I will need to remedy this.

The Carriers are now below the Solomons, the slower BBs have refueled at Noumea and head North, the faster BBs are on their way to Cairns - located just N of Luganville. THe troops themselves are a day away from turning North and taking on the gap between Oz and New Guinea.

The combat units at Tarawa, who hav been resting for a few turns, now open fire with their gun tubes. Suppplies are still being unloaded, and the California, about to dock at Pearl, may travel over to Tarawa to help suppress the ground troops.

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RE: Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/7/2005 11:09:18 PM   
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Lucknow is a very interesting city name considering the circumstances ......

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RE: Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/8/2005 12:36:36 AM   
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Ouch, that turn hurt....

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RE: Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/8/2005 1:00:00 AM   
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quote:

Illustrious is lost. Formidable lives up to her namesake, despite wearing 3 bombs she is at 1 sys damge. The 250kg bombs just bounce!


That is the armored flight deck in action. The Brits traded aircraft capacity for armored flight decks. They knew that (in Europe) there would always be bombers leaking through. Too bad that it doesn't stop torpedoes.

You just need to keep him under 4 to 1 odds on the VP tally. Don't give up. I have been impressed with your pugnaciousness so far...

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RE: Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/8/2005 5:25:31 AM   
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Wobs:

Hate to game the system, but any "point scoring" system calls for it.

Is there any feasibility of getting your heavy bombers to hit ANY srategic target to garner points that way? Presume that the Java op is to implement something like this against the main oil fields. Can you hit say Amboina or Kendari from your current bases to get the ball rolling?

Then, you are accumulating some direct points that go on to the board that don't dissapear like base points and he would have to eventually respond to your offensive.

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RE: Illustrious makes a beautiful dive site - 1/8/2005 5:01:27 PM   
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quote:

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Wobs:

Hate to game the system, but any "point scoring" system calls for it.

Is there any feasibility of getting your heavy bombers to hit ANY srategic target to garner points that way? Presume that the Java op is to implement something like this against the main oil fields. Can you hit say Amboina or Kendari from your current bases to get the ball rolling?

Then, you are accumulating some direct points that go on to the board that don't dissapear like base points and he would have to eventually respond to your offensive.


Allies can score Strategic Points only by attacking Japans homeland, if I am not mistaken.

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India unravelling - 1/8/2005 8:54:07 PM   
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Formidable escapes for now. Asansol is cut off and about to fall. It all smells pretty bad.

Mynok and Hornblower: Indeed it was a bad turn. If I just retreat everywhere he will just advance everywhere. You can provide a nice surprise this way but it does mean alot of defeatism.

Mlees - it was amazing! After seeing the attacks on US carriers, having the 250Kg bombs bounce was awesome. Pity about the torps . Pugnaciousness is fine but I need to include a bit of intelligence at times as well.

Tadpub and whocares: yes you have to bomb Japan for these points. No chance of that I am afraid.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/42
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Day Air attack on Jamshedpur , at 28,22

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
Ki-21 Sally x 50
Ki-48 Lily x 39
Ki-46-II Dinah x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 12 damaged


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 82

The time the combined might of the Jap airforces hit Jamshedpur. Yet again I cannot muster an answer.
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 15
P-40E Warhawk x 30
B-26B Marauder x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22

The medium bombers take over in Lae - surely the field there is starting to become unusable?
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Day Air attack on Shortlands , at 63,93

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 7 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 3

THe attack against Shortlands occurs but is of itself pretty unimpressive. The Mitchells are going again but this is a diversion and therefore is not worth risking too much upon.
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Day Air attack on Imperial Guards Division, at 31,21


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Wellington III x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Trying to deplete the Divisions attacking Asansol does not really hurt them enough to stop the continued hurt.
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Day Air attack on 70th Division, at 44,38


Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 12
SB-2c x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

THe Chinese bombers at last get airborne and don't do too badly for themselves. They are trying to hit the troops at Wuchow.
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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11
Ki-21 Sally x 18

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 21 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

He is air attacking everywhere. Columbo gets hit again and the P-40s there don't manage to persuade the bombers to stay away. Only AAA actaully maanges to do any damage.
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
ML Nasami, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Some Beauforts at Columbo retaliate by destroying a ML in Trim harbour.
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Day Air attack on TF at 14,2

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
D3A Val x 13
B5N Kate x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Deslock, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Uh oh. His Carrier fleets have found my retreating transports. Again my timing is so unfortunate. He has foudn them right at the top of the battlemap. They are going to have to sweat through many hexes as they try to escape.
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Sub attack at 27,24

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
BB Revenge, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Well the first of the Brit BBs is found by subs. Revenge was the most damaged - sys 98 - yet she does not sink from the torps. The sea cocks are opened and the Captain gets into life boats.
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Ground combat at Calcutta

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 56161 troops, 299 guns, 144 vehicles

Defending force 22898 troops, 125 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 7)


Japanese ground losses:
862 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
551 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Calcutta is obstinately refusing to budge. Unfortunately I have to retreat before I am cut off entirely. I need a smaller front in order to stop him going around me like he is doing all over the place now.
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Ground combat at Asansol

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 55063 troops, 345 guns, 316 vehicles

Defending force 14005 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Crap crap crap. I am being hammered out of Asansol and there is nothing I can do about it. He has also managed to get a unit behind the city on the rail line so now I am going to be forced to retreat off the rail line. With the new ZOC rules it is very difficult to retreat. He only needs to put a divided part of a brigade in my way and I have to find 2 or 3 times that number in order to clear the lines again. So anywhere I stop to defend he just goes around. Once the retreating units out of Calcutta manage to make it to Lucknow I might send them back down the rail line to clear it and try to allow more units through. I don't know whether he will just leave this units cut off in the hinterland and drive on, or attempt to destroy them. I am going to have to think very carefull where I am to make my stand, and how I lay out my forces, I need to fill these gaps somehow.
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Ground combat at Tarawa

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11682 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 4363 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles

First bombardment in Tarawa is a smashing success. I think the gunners forgot to load the guns!
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So the last day of May goes by. It has been a horrible month filled with viscious fighting and general retreat on all fronts except in the Pacific.

Formidable got away to the WSW and will now refuel and get out of Dodge. She will catch up with the US Carriers as they come through the gap between Oz and New Guinea and help in the liberation of Java.

The swag of transports trying to escape are going to feel the wrath of his carriers this turn. Both groups have now been spotted and they will feast on the coral spawn as they try to make it to the breeding grounds. I hope some make it.

His BBs are lining up for a run against Bombay. I retreat most of my air units away. But what I may try is to sacrifice some DDs and maybe a light cruiser in defense of Bombay. Stop a prospective Bombardment. Load Bombay with torp bombers and hope to hit some of these pesky BBs. If his carriers gourge themselves on the transports, they may just move out of range to defend the BBs. Also I want to see whether he stays in Bombay or continues to retire to Panaji to replenish the ammo bunkers. If he stays the option may be a good one.

The Asansol problem highlights how difficult it can be to defend. It also highlights his plan of trying to take any base I may want - with air capacity - off me so I can't reach out and hit his bases. Then he can kill my bombers on the airfields. This is now occuring all too quickly. I think I have to make lightly held lines with reasonable fortification and then have a mobile reserve of tank units that sit behind. When he plays his hand as to which location he is going to put pressure upon, the tank units quickly move there until more help can arrive. I am going to try and put this into action around Lucknow.

In the meantime the Dakotas in Burma will continue to get as many fighting men as possible across to Jamshedpur and Diamond Harbour before they fall. He hammered Jamshedpur last turn - and will probably do the same to diamond harbour this - so as to damage the airfields for Dakota landings.

Above Rangoon he is trying the same go around technique as in India. Instantly my Chinese units are in danger of being cut off so are forced to retreat. I will try and do this a slow hex at a time.

All of the forces for the Java attack are slowly making their way into position. It is still a good 2 weeks away.

June brings Spitfires. It will take about 2 weeks to accrue enough to convert a sqd.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/9/2005 4:57:27 AM   
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Interesting developments. What is the probable ETA for java landings?

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RE: India unravelling - 1/9/2005 7:55:26 AM   
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Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22

The medium bombers take over in Lae - surely the field there is starting to become unusable?

That's nothing, fixed in a turn, if he has made the committment there in ENG and supply. IJ has considerable engineering capacity, scads of construction engineer units; it's just nothing like what the Allies have later.

quote:

I think I have to make lightly held lines with reasonable fortification and then have a mobile reserve of tank units that sit behind.

This makes sense; you're in maneuver warfare terrain now....

< Message edited by irrelevant -- 1/9/2005 12:58:59 AM >


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RE: India unravelling - 1/9/2005 11:06:37 PM   
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The Carnage continues in and around India. I must have missed a TF of AKs bunched together and his carriers obviously target that for preferencial treatment. I loose 2 AKs and have 4 others severely damaged. He is hitting many ships but as yet has not used surface forces to attack the individual ships. This does mean that he is getting quite an element of overkill.

Damn, he sighted the Warspite and sent out a couple of DDs to kill what he thought was an APD. Well they didn't hurt the BB thankfully but now the big ship will be hunted like a fell beast and is likely to croak. The Ramilles was also sighted and has so little hope of getting out I may just scuttle her - that is hard to do when she is still making way.

In India I set up all the torp bombers in Bombay with a Wildcat and P-40 escort to try and hit his BBs at range four if they line up against Bombay again.

The continuing rush to get to the North of India took a turn for the worse when Asansol fell today. All my units defending the place retreat back towards Burma. I will have to get as much of them as I can across to Jamshedpur by Dakota. Unfortunately that will never include the third tank brigade.

I am going to attempt to make a road block across the river on the way to Lucknow. A Malay Brigade currently holds the position and I am rapidly sending a tank brigade and 2 tank companies to help out. Bombers from Lucknow will help in the effort. Unfortunately there isn't much else about to help out and he still heavily outnumbers me. What may come to pass though is that he moves all his heavy land units up the line and the not inconsiderable troop numbers I have in the North of Burma may become a problem.

North of Hyderabad I am also trying to create a blocking position with the Indian 5th and soon the Oz 2nd. They are joining the retreating units from Hyderabad as it appears he is definately coming north.

Further South the finding of the Warspite is a real headache. He is likely to race south to take her out. That means the carriers will be in easier reach of any Java landings - sigh - this isn't easy. In fact the southerly drift of my transport shipping that he is preying upon will also bring these ships closer.

In China he has also targeted another of my off the rail line locations. Soon I will only have the bases in the Hinterland. He has won everywhere else why not take a stab there as well.

String: Java landings about 2 weeks away. Transport fleets are now approaching the Gap between Oz and New Guinea. BB forces are slightly NW of New Caledonia and another well North Of New Caledonia. Carriers are close to the more Northerly BBs.

Irrelevant: This is damage on top of damage caused by B-17 raids and previous 2 engine raids. My intel of the base puts runway damage at 78%.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/10/2005 12:19:00 AM   
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Irrelevant: This is damage on top of damage caused by B-17 raids and previous 2 engine raids. My intel of the base puts runway damage at 78%.


Three turns and fixed, if he has made an appropriate committment to it. Keep hitting it every couple of days though, it means he's burning supply and not digging in.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 1:05:18 AM   
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More units get forced away from Asansol, The Ramilles is found and sunk. More carnage in the North Indian Ocean.

Irrelevant: I am hitting it every day with differing units. He still has AC there and they are being destroyed on the ground while I get XP.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/42
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Day Air attack on 7th Tank Regiment, at 30,19


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 14
Wellington III x 31


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

I am trying to bomb the advanced units of his approaching army in the north. It looks like I am going to loose the race to get enough firepower into position across the river on the way to Lucknow. I may have to fall back yet again. The good thing about this though is any airdefense he wants to mount will be at some range.
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Day Air attack on TF at 6,8

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
D3A Val x 23
B5N Kate x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Resistance, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Elk, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Wagtail
AK Empire Carey, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

I scoured the TFs last turn yet somehow I missed these guys bunched together - he therefore hits more than he should.
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Day Air attack on TF at 22,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34
G3M Nell x 23
G4M1 Betty x 40

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BB Ramilles, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Starting the turn at 91 sys damage 5 torpedoes are easily enough to finish the big hulk.
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Day Time Surface Combat at 8,15

Japanese Ships
PG Shinko Maru #5, Shell hits 1
PG Unkai Maru #1

Allied Ships
AK Empire Sunrise, Shell hits 5, on fire

At last PzB is starting to use available surface units to hit my TFs. This is a pain as a single destroyer can do enough damage to an AK to sink her. I can see the BBs that were pounding Bombay are moving down to join in the fun. He has to concentrate on the far west as that is where the bulk of my units are going.
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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2247 troops, 0 guns, 143 vehicles

Defending force 3622 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1



Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

This is one of the split Chinese untis I had above the main rail line. He hits it hard but it holds. There are no hexes with the allied stamp in which it can retreat. However, there are some that aren't Jap either, I head them in the direction of one and hope these guys can get out.
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Ground combat at 32,24

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 5441 troops, 147 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 3336 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
333 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

O to have the Japanese army. I can rely on none of my troops. These idiots retreat into a jungle hex which will again take them a month to get out of. In all likelihood they will be surrounded and cut off by that time. At least the exact some measure of hurt when they were attacked.
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Only the Warspite remains of the 4 shiny BBs that moved into Diamond Harbour all those months ago. She is sailing Due West and will for one more turn before changing course to SW. I was still attacked by carrier aircraft from both Carrier divisions so I haven'tnoticed a determined effort to find andsinkWarspite yet, but I am not beating that he wont do it. She moves so slow that the transports and hence marauding Carriers, may catch her anyway. If she gets out that is one BB magazine explosion, one sunk, one scuttled and one escaped with heavy damage.

My land units north of Hyderabad all retreat again. I will not hold across the river against the hoard he has there. I have to wait until they can be joined by the 2nd Oz Div.

By Lucknow the same may occur. 4 units are in the hex before the river now with only a Malay Brigade and a carabineers company resisiting them. I have 2 large tank units 2 days out but they may not be enough. I can't really afford to have them forced to retreat - I want to retreat under my own terms.

In Burma I have halted and dug teh Chinese in. In order for him to go around he needs to use the Jungle now.

In China the theme continues - retreat!

The transport ships with my Java invasion pass through the gap between New Guinea and Oz. most of the battle units follow behind. Timing is a bit of an issue now - he must be wondering where I will strike although it appears he is continuing to reinforce as I get intel of units moving to Truk and Kwajalein.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 1:53:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: wobbly

It looks like I am going to loose the race to get enough firepower into position across the river on the way to Lucknow. I may have to fall back yet again.

Recommend you set Objective now on those LCU's to their 'final' line of defense. That way they will get most preperation possible.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 3:07:52 AM   
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units have settings of Ahlamabad Delhi and Lahore. Those are teh last lines of defense. The locations I was talking about are across rivers and in places I can sit for a while and get a few levels of Fortresses up. All in the name of restricting his advance. There is of course no way to prepare for teh defense of these locations.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 4:56:31 AM   
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That's why you're in command - you're way ahead of me!

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 10:27:44 AM   
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I agree Wobbly Ahmabad - Delhi is the only line you can hope to stand at now.

What kind of forces do you estimate you will have for the battle there ?

2nd Aus Div
5th Indian Div

are outside of the pocket

but

254th Armoured
255th Armoured
7th Armoured
18th UK Div
2nd UK Div

and the Indian Army are all inside and likely to get cut off or will some of these formations be fit to fight on the 'last stand line' ?

Andy

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 10:30:44 AM   
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also when you get time where is 3 Corps HQ and SEAC HQ going to stand and who commands the defence as I hope you have good leaders for the next phase.

I am sure you are doing this but any engineering units trapped in the South should probably be prioritised for Dakota seats in order to get them working on forts at the Ahmabad line.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 10:42:17 AM   
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Wobbly, you are sure you want to withdrawl your forces from Calcutta?
He has a lot of forces there, who will go after you and you would have to fight those forces in not so good fortifications afterwards. (Maybe you need this Stalingrad?)

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