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Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 5:26:04 PM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 5:55:45 PM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 6:41:25 PM   
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The Boomerang as a fighter defies physics - it sucks and blows at the same time!

In real they were "upgraded" to Kttyhawk but I am wondering if the game may give them a unrealistic advantage because of high climb rate

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 6:47:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: madmickey

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The Boomerang as a fighter defies physics - it sucks and blows at the same time!

In real they were "upgraded" to Kttyhawk but I am wondering if the game may give them a unrealistic advantage because of high climb rate



Well, anytime i have had them go up against any real fighters, they lose, and generally lose badly -even against Nates and Claudes. They are rather indifferent vs. IJN bombers. As a pure fighter, i think even Buffaloes are better. Of course, they are "fighter-bombers" - so i can't complain that they aren't too great as pure fighters - i just try to never have them in that role and keep them as tactical bombers vs. troops and sometimes shipping.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:00:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Based purely on its numbers in the database, I've wondered why they bothered to make it. I'm not exactly counting on the Boomer to save my bacon.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:09:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm guessing they had a factory tooled up to make it, and, hey - it probably was about state of the art when they came out with it. The Brits and Italians were still producing biplanes until about a year before the outbreak of war. It just doesn't stand up well to the Japanese planes.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:20:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Boomerang was a homegrown Australian design, and manufactured/assembled entirely in Australia. The Spits and Hurricanes had to be imported from Canada/UK/S. Africa. In the hair raising early days of WiTP, everything that flew was desperately needed.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:22:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		(Admitting that I know nothing of the real plane . . .), Given that it came out so late, wouldn't it have made more sense to just license Spits and Hurricanes? Or was it built around the only engine that Australia could build or was tooled for?

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:30:08 PM   
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Or was it built around the only engine that Australia could build or was tooled for?


I think it was this, but I can look it up for you later, when I get home to my books.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:43:23 PM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 9:44:14 PM   
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Or was it built around the only engine that Australia could build or was tooled for?


I think it was this, but I can look it up for you later, when I get home to my books.


It was designed to be manufactured with sheep by-products, therefore it could be manufactured easily in Australia. However, as a fighter, this meant it REALLY was a piece of s**t.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/12/2005 10:22:30 PM   
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It was designed to be manufactured with sheep by-products, therefore it could be manufactured easily in Australia. However, as a fighter, this meant it REALLY was a piece of s**t.


Any fighter is better than no fighter. Aussies had funny tanks too. Canada had to do the same thing with Ram tank - M3 Lee with 2 pounder, what a piece of work.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 1:48:47 AM   
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Early Spits and hurricane had limited range only really good for protecting air base. Plus spit and hurricane did not have radial engines.


All the hurricanes that appeared in the game were plumbed for drop tanks, Adequate supplies of drop tanks arrived in SEA by late 42, The range given by the droptanks was in game terms Normal 3 extended 4, Just enough to escort bombers from Imphal to Mandalay.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 2:06:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Boomer was a real stop gap, mating an available better engine with some of the airframe components of the Wirraway. It sucked as an air superiority weapon, but by the time it reached the frontline that battle had been pretty much won. It mainly served as a handy close support aircraft.

As stated above, early on we Aussies felt pretty isolated, and none of the allies had any excess war material to spare so we came up with whatever we could.

The Owen smg was another program.

The Sentinel tank was very interesting - some really back to basics stuff like M3 running gear (it was available), a crash gear box (all Australia could manufacture) and 3 V8 engines, coupled with probably the first successful fully cast multi-part hull and seperately single cast turret.

It was also eminently upgradeable - going from the original 2 pdr up to a 17 pdr. One trial even used 2 25 pdrs to test the tank's ability to mount the 17 pdr (no 17 pdr being available at the time).

In this case, the numbers of foreign tanks available by '43 scotched any further development.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 2:12:43 AM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 2:14:22 AM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 4:22:43 AM   
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http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/3351/allweps/skink.html

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 4:42:27 AM   
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Check this one out:

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/3351/allweps/skink.html


Good one. Never heard about it. Should've been called "Skunk", .

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 5:31:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: testarossa

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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

It was designed to be manufactured with sheep by-products, therefore it could be manufactured easily in Australia. However, as a fighter, this meant it REALLY was a piece of s**t.


Any fighter is better than no fighter. Aussies had funny tanks too. Canada had to do the same thing with Ram tank - M3 Lee with 2 pounder, what a piece of work.


Not exactly correct. The Ram tank was built using a cast steel hull and the M3 Turret which indeed was armed with a 2-pounder. The cast steel hull was an inovation which the Americans adopted for the M4 Shermans. Plans were underway to rearm the Rams with 6-pounders but it was realized that the Americans could build more than enough Shermans to supply themselves and us so tank production was converted from Rams to Shermans. All the Rams that were supplied were converted to specialized vehicles like the Ram Kangaroo a fully tracked APC.

BTW since you live in Vancouver, go down to the Armoury and see the Ram tank that is sited there as a monument - if I recall correctly the upkeep of it is rather shoddy

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 5:47:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Tremblay

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It was designed to be manufactured with sheep by-products, therefore it could be manufactured easily in Australia. However, as a fighter, this meant it REALLY was a piece of s**t.


Any fighter is better than no fighter. Aussies had funny tanks too. Canada had to do the same thing with Ram tank - M3 Lee with 2 pounder, what a piece of work.


BTW since you live in Vancouver, go down to the Armoury and see the Ram tank that is sited there as a monument - if I recall correctly the upkeep of it is rather shoddy


Damn I thought it is Sherman. I've checked my pocket Collins Janes "Tanks of WW2" and endeed RAM used M3 components with canadian cast steel and turret. And they mention there Skink too. And I had this book for 7 years. Duh.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 5:54:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The boomerang was produced because the Brits refused to give us the rights and/or machnery necessary to produce Spits or Hurricanes. They wanted to control everything themselves, but wouldnt help out by supplying us with any excess stock they had (and they had plenty up to 5 times the amount of planes as they had pilots. They kept lying to Australia saying anything and everything, but in the end they screwed us. They only started to give us stuff after we turned to the US for aid and they were worried about not getting a piece of the Pacific pie.

Unfortunately the US were also reluctant to give us much either, so we were forced to build what we were able, as in the Boomerang.

We supplied 50,000 airmen and aircrew to fight, and the Brits gave us 2 squadrons of spitfires in reply, past the time when we needed them.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 5:56:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bingo. "... the Boomerang, ... was designed as an interceptor with a high rate of climb and good manoeuvrability. To obtain the best performance, the aircraft was fitted with the most powerful engine in Australia - the 1,200 hp Twin Wasp which was in production for the DAP Bristol Beaufort. " Here's the link to the RAAF museum.

http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/raaf2/html/boom.htm

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ORIGINAL: byron13

(Admitting that I know nothing of the real plane . . .), Given that it came out so late, wouldn't it have made more sense to just license Spits and Hurricanes? Or was it built around the only engine that Australia could build or was tooled for?


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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 8:03:57 AM   
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The boomerang was produced because the Brits refused to give us the rights and/or machnery necessary to produce Spits or Hurricanes. They wanted to control everything themselves, but wouldnt help out by supplying us with any excess stock they had (and they had plenty up to 5 times the amount of planes as they had pilots. They kept lying to Australia saying anything and everything, but in the end they screwed us. They only started to give us stuff after we turned to the US for aid and they were worried about not getting a piece of the Pacific pie.

Unfortunately the US were also reluctant to give us much either, so we were forced to build what we were able, as in the Boomerang.

We supplied 50,000 airmen and aircrew to fight, and the Brits gave us 2 squadrons of spitfires in reply, past the time when we needed them.


Not forgetting of course that when those three (1 RAAF, 2 RAF) squadrons came over from UK the Brits advised the USA to deduct that amount of aircraft from our allotted quota of Kittyhawks which were being supplied (Churchhill was still very dark at Australia for not allowing the Australian division enroute to Java to land at Rangoon).
Source: Loosely Quoting from the Book "The Great Betrayal" by David Day.

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 9:05:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah yes I forgot about the deduction bit, as for Churchill and what abuse he did to us and our troops ( holding onto them, diverting them getting them killed etc) well thats a book in itself.

Read the Politics of War by the same author (David Day)

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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 10:03:15 AM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/13/2005 10:37:59 AM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/14/2005 4:03:26 AM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/14/2005 11:56:42 PM   
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RE: Impression of the Boomerang - 1/15/2005 5:21:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DoomedMantis

Ah yes I forgot about the deduction bit, as for Churchill and what abuse he did to us and our troops ( holding onto them, diverting them getting them killed etc) well thats a book in itself.

Read the Politics of War by the same author (David Day)


I think he treated all colonials as dirt. Hong-Kong - Canadaians, Diepp - Canadians, bombing kids in Germany - Canadians.

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